Jejemiah 10:2-4

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    RSIxidor
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    Christians are so dumb. Haha. Just kidding.

    Kerry
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    Kerry

    Although I agree the idea of bringing a tree inside and decorating it is a Wiccan tradition that pre-dates our idea of Christmas by centuries, this passage is seriously misquoted.

    This passage does not mention trees, instead it mentions “wooden idols”. Look it up.

    Nurgen
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    Nurgen

    It doesn’t mention trees, except for using the word ‘tree’.

    Magister
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    No Kerry. No. Wiccan is pretty new-age crap. Wiccans are people trying to be Pagan. Paganism is old.

    morbo
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    Jim Gaffigan has a great standup routine in which he relates Christmas traditions to the actions of a drunk man. It’s spot on and rather hilarious.

    mndlssequation
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    Here is some help christians, but I would also like to point out that the cross would be a form of idolatry and thus Jeremiah seems to be speaking about it. tsk tsk…
    www.wcg.org/lit/church/holidays/trees.htm

    Kerry
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    Kerry

    Magister,

    Kind of. Saying Wiccans are people trying to be Pagans is like saying Catholics are people trying to be Christians. Wiccan are a class of pagan belief.

    The belief system of Wiccans is very old. They are often referred to as “Dirt Worshippers” as the celebrate and live in harmony with the Natural world.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    Wicca is Pagan only in sense that anything non-Christian is Pagan. The belief system of Wicca is about a hundred years old and has little to no resemblance to any pre-Christian belief systems.
    If you know more than I do, Kerry, I’d be very interested to hear about any source of Wiccan beliefs that is pre-19th century.

    Caio
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    Wow, what the fuck nasty element wandered into this thread? Pagan comes from an old Latin word meaning ‘redneck’. It refers to the fact that the cities were quicker to adopt Christianity than city folk, back in the day. It refers, then, to all pre-christian european religions, and in my life, I’ve mainly seen it used as a historical term with this very narrow meaning. For example, I’ve never heard a Buddhist called Pagan, nor have I, in my years studying the history of Canada’s first nations, heard the followers of the Canadian religions refered to as ‘Pagan’. In all… Read more »

    Caio
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    *It refers to the fact that the cities were quicker to adopt Christianity than COUNTRY folk, back in the day*

    sorry, early morning here.

    Kerry
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    Kerry

    Hey reboot,

    I am not a scholar or anything, but the beliefs of the Wiccans are based largely upon many old religions that pre-date the modern era.

    The modern day Wiccan movement (modern being post-1950s) is based upon a religion that has been carried on in secret for centuries. They practiced in private for so long out of fear of persecution. I cannot give you a link now because I am at work.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    Caio, that’s basically what I thought Wicca was, but I’m willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt. Addendum: the word Pagan was definitely used to describe Muslims. Kerry, the first two pages of a google search basically confirms what I thought: that Wicca was invented in 20th century with explicit influence from Alester Crowley and implicit influence from LotR. I was just wondering if you had any information that wasn’t widely available on the internet. For example, even if Wicca was carried out in secret , we should be able to do a scholarly comparison between groups that… Read more »

    merthsoft
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    merthsoft

    Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning “country dweller, rustic”) is a term which, from a Western perspective, has come to connote a broad set of spiritual or cultic practices or beliefs of any folk religion, and of historical and contemporary polytheistic religions in particular. The term can be defined broadly, to encompass the faith traditions outside the Abrahamic monotheistic group of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The group so defined includes the Indian religions (such as Hinduism, Jainism), Native American religions and mythologies and Shinto as well as non-Abrahamic ethnic religions in general. More narrow definitions will not include any of the… Read more »

    Caio
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    Reboot: Good point. Merthsoft: There is no way that Native American religions are commonly described as Pagan. I know most of the experts on various Nations around this part of the world: Many were my professors. I have spent countless hours discussing and pleading and sitting around small talking with various councils of elders. I have read virtually every word written in the nineteenth century on Western Canada and the NW US. I myself could be called a world expert in at least one obscure tribe’s history. With the exception of the ‘Piikani’, which is sometimes pronounced like ‘pegan’ or… Read more »

    knogoodidleft
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    yes morbo, spot on.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjJCIbC9sxA

    its awesome

    Kerry
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    Kerry

    Instead of Wikipedia, try going to your local library and looking at old encyclopedias and actual books. They are closer to the actual source and have not been diluted over time. The reason legends and facts are skewed and forgotten is that they are tinkered with to fit the values of society of the time. After a while people forget the original story and accept the edited version as fact. Christopher Columbus, anyone? The vast astronomical knowledge of the Maya? The Easter Bunny? Wiccans? Pagans? Jesus? Every generation adds or takes away from these depending on their biases. In the… Read more »

    knogoodidleft
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    check this kerry, pretty funny, i laughed.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Hf6L1eQBc&feature=related

    He did a jesus joke and was electricuted, was the best show I ever seen, and it helped my faith <–lol

    Magister
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    Still my point is valid that Wiccan traditions don’t predate anything. Maybe except Scientolgy.

    Phyreblade
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    ZOMG!! CHRISTMAS TREES ARE BLASPHEMOUS!!!!

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