The Apple Tax – (It\’s Hidden!)

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Saw this on the Windows Team Blog here.

As a Mac Hater, I find this to be mostly true. I knew there is no reason for getting a Mac = expensive software and add-ons that have to be granted \’approval\’ by Apple for use on their machines at an over-inflated price. PC = all-bundled-in-one = FTW!!


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    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    Since when do Dells come with Office and Quicken? That’s just the first thing that pops out at me. I could probably nit pick the rest and get the difference down to $1500 for two computers. That’s not a big deal for a lot of people. A BMW costs more than a Hyundai. A good restaurant costs more than McDonald’s.

    b-chan
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    the machines cost more, no doubt. Dont buy one if you dont want to.
    the final line item should read:
    Not having to dick around with Windows – Priceless

    vandal
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    until your pc gets a virus and then doesnt work for shit! not to mention having to install every little thing i want to plug into my pc. whatever i have my camera, my friends mp3 player, my friends camcorder plug it in to my mac, recognizes it instantly NEVER have to download drivers or anything.

    frogurtx
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    Macs are gay, and people who like Macs are equally homosexual, discuss.

    Paul_Is_Drunk
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    First of all: www.myconfinedspace.com/2008/06/25/mac-vs-pc-motorcycles/ Secondly, Macs are like Abercrombie & Finch. You’re paying for a label. I’ve owned both, and since I actually know what I’m doing, my PC works about 10x better. Faster, more customization, and A LOT cheaper to upgrade or replace parts. I’m not even going to get started on how much of a dick Steve Jobs is… ah, fuck it. I will. I hate that bastard. The man denied his daughter’s existence and let her live in poverty for decades, he is personally responsible for turning Apple computers into the computing company of the 80’s into… Read more »

    gimmeethebeat
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    gimmeethebeat

    @Paul_Is_Drunk: Dammit, beat me to it.

    But still, two years with the same Vista OS laptop, not a single problem with viruses, software issues, etc. I have no magical powers,I’m just not a dumbass about computers.

    Sticky
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    @gimmeethebeat:
    Vista isn’t the blight upon humanity that people say it is, I will admit, but I’m going to shell out some cash for the Windows 7 upgrade come this fall.

    awfulintentions
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    Until my PC gets a virus? Long as you’re not dicking around on sites downloading anything that says ‘download me!’ you’ll be fine. I’ve been running a PC since I was 11, and I’ve never had a virus. It’s simple common sense. If you don’t have any common sense, then yeah, you’re better off with a mac. My neighbor uses a Mac, he’s dumbass a box of rocks. Proof in point, he was trimming trees and somehow cut one down, landing it on my house. Then again, the fuckwit is from Jersey, so, either of the two, maybe both. I’d… Read more »

    Paul_Is_Drunk
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    @reboot: Except you’re paying more for the Hyundai, & the BMW comes in a range from economical to luxury sedan.

    The luxury sedan, however, is still cheaper than the Hyundai. (In this metaphor).

    Jaypeezy
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    @vandal: But you can use the $3000 plus to have it fixed by a shop for around $100, or wait a year and use the same money to buy 2-3 new computers. And you don’t have to download drivers for a Windows pc for common items too, as long as it’s not chinese generic or extremely exotic hardware.

    outofocus
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    I’ve been online since ’88 and the only time I ever got a virus was when my ex-BF installed something on my computer (without asking) and it was something he downloaded and did not scan. (grrrr!!!) But I have a mac and a pc. The mac just works and does what I want it to do with minor annoyances. I don’t ask it to do anything complex. It puts pretty pictures on my TV and makes the music play. The PC also works but it bogged down more easily, I have to keep an eye on what’s running but it’s… Read more »

    frogurtx
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    @Paul_Is_Drunk: :rant on: Seriously, if you aren’t a dumbass with your PC it can and will be just as reliable as a Mac is perceived to be. I build and customize PCs and cannot believe the cost to make them compared to a Mac. Even a powerhouse Core i7 gaming rig can be built for around 1k or less, which you can’t even buy a decent Mac for. Also I surf so much porn/torrents and have yet to see a virus break through my Avast!/Ad-Aware combo, in fact I haven’t dealt with a virus issue for over 7 years. I… Read more »

    teezy weezy
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    @frogurtx: doth protest too much

    PC users are whining arseholes.

    nyoki
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    Steve Jobs will be dead by June.

    gimmeethebeat
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    gimmeethebeat

    @Sticky:
    Oh I know that Vista is not the great Satan of operating systems. I happen to like it, and probably won’t immediately switch to Windows 7 (hell, I am a college student working for minimum wage…)
    But mostly I use PCs for the same reason I will NEVER buy an iPod. My zune a year old, works fine, and cost $250 at the time of purchase. For a comperable iPod today, I’d have to spend $350. Apple in general is nothing more than a publicity gimick, designed to make hipsters feel better about their individuality… just like everyone else

    frogurtx
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    @teezy weezy:
    I have nothing to whine about. I have the superior system both in price, power, and longevity. My parts are cheaper, more powerful, and more easily upgraded.

    I’m nauseated by the arrogance and blatant marketing that Apple has done, creating a culture of Apple-tards that bitch and moan about their overpriced crap. I’m calling you guys out!

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    @Paul_Is_Drunk:
    Any software you can run on Windows box, I can do with a Mac with vmware.
    Plus, a full Unix Operating system and all the stability and benefits that come with it.
    Plus, a superior UI from OSX, including Space and Expose. It’s hard to argue that Windows has a better UI since, they’re always one step behind copying Mac.
    Plus, superior designed hardware with stuff like magnetic power cord and multipoint touchpad.
    So where’s the “luxury sedan” features of a Dell or HP box? Upgradability? Gaming? Most people couldn’t care less about either.

    Paul_Is_Drunk
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    @reboot: 1) Yes, you could run it on a Mac, but at a slower speed due to translation, on a processor that’s slower to begin with. ~ 2) Unix is slightly more stable, in that there is less compatibility errors due to multiple integration. That’s probably a problem of programs & associations. I’m sure you know of correlation & causality. ~ 3) Superior UI? It’s a one trick pony. If I want my UI to be like a Mac, I can make it. If I want it to be like I’m playing Baldur’s Gate, I can make a Baldur’s Gate… Read more »

    Paul_Is_Drunk
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    @Paul_Is_Drunk: Before anyone complains, it’s not a problem to do all of those things at once.

    I also play guitar & sing. That’s focusing on your left hand for frets, right hand for strumming, following a rhythm, and adding another layer of music (singing) on top of all that. Oh, and making sure you don’t trip over chords, but that’s more passive spacial awareness.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    @Paul_Is_Drunk: 1)Processor speed it high enough its hardly matters. I don’t have any benchmarks, but I’ve never noticed any slow down. 2)So it is more stable. I don’t see where you’re disagreeing with me. 3)Can you get something like Spaces and Expose on Windows? Honestly, I’d like to know, because I haven’t found anything and it would help me for when I have to use the lab pc. There’s other stuff, like the other day someone on MCS talked about how in Windows 7 would be able to right-click on a program icon and see all the related windows. Which… Read more »

    nimbulan
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    I really don’t see what the big deal with Expose is. You have a bunch of documents open that look similar, you use Expose…how are you supposed to tell them apart at a glance? The biggest weakness of the OSX interface is the lack of labels on things. No labels on the dock either without holding the mouse button down on the program icon for a few seconds or mousing over your minimized window icons (only if they’re minimized, the icons disappear otherwise!) I’m working at a computer helpdesk while I’m in school. Every time I have to go out… Read more »

    nimbulan
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    I just realized I forgot to mention the frequency of obsolescence for Macs, which is another big point. Apple releases an OS upgrade every year and a half or so…which you have to pay for. It seems that a lot of software will only run on the last 2, maybe 3 versions. You seem to stop releasing software updates for old versions (not security updates, just software updates) pretty soon after the new version comes out. Support scenario I had to deal with recently: So you have a computer with 10.3, has an ancient version of Safari which gives you… Read more »

    frogurtx
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    The ability to Overclock your CPU through the bios of a PC is a major plus also.

    Paul_Is_Drunk
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    @reboot: 1) So speed isn’t important? Remember, you said this. We’ll get back to this point. ~ 2) It’s more stable because it’s integrating less software. That’s like saying a pocket calculator is more stable than a graphing calculator because it handles less functions (except the pocket calculator costs more because it has an apple on it). … The argument is over whether the OS is better. You’re using a baseline standard of stability, and I’m mentioning dynamics. ~ 3) Expose? It’s a little button next to the windows icon called windows switcher. I can also set it to whatever… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    @nimbulan: “You have a bunch of documents open that look similar, you use Expose…how are you supposed to tell them apart at a glance?” How is Windows better? Ctrl-tab though a bunch of identical icons? “No labels on the dock” That’s just a setting. Mine has label instantly. “Being able to separate files and folders in the shell, or just have a directory tree visible at all times” Show Items As List does what you describe. All of your other items are basically the same. Its different than what your used to. That doesn’t mean its bad. “Having a wheel… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    @Paul_Is_Drunk: And since its late just a few points. “Did you even try, or where you hopping that I didn’t know what those two programs were so that I would bow before your mighty Mac knowledge?” Honestly, I’ve tried few such programs and didn’t think they worked very well. I’ll give those a shot if their actually free. Thanks for the tip “Yes, reboot, I’m aware you’re a grad student in… what? Chemistry? Every time we get into a debate you bring it up. Congratulations.” Sorry. You spend 14 hours a day doing something, it tends to come up in… Read more »

    Paul_Is_Drunk
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    @reboot: Quick points… Windows switcher isn’t a program. It’s an integrated feature. I’ve mentioned Portland recently in Portland related threads. For example, Chuck Palahniuk (he’s a figure here) and Kells (a bar IN PORTLAND). And, no, you can’t run Civ4 (with BtS… screw it, let’s say without) on full settings while simultaneously running a DVD (Venture Bros. or what have you)on a $999 MacBook. You’re right in that it wouldn’t prove anything on speed (I did say I immediately lamented mentioning those things), but what are the specs on your 2 year old MacBook? If you change the argument, then… Read more »

    nimbulan
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    @reboot: About the dock labels and Expose thing… In Windows you get text labels AND a program icon always visible for each entry in the taskbar so you instantly know what it is. You don’t have to search through the dock or expose trying to find a window because the titles are all right there. Show items as a list still doesn’t give a separate navigation pane or provide any way to separate files and folders. It makes it unnecessarily time consuming to navigate to a different spot on your hard drive because you either have the option to a)… Read more »

    pantsoffdanceoff
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    Nerd alert!!!!!

    LeeHarveyOswald
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    Mac Users. you lose cause you just bought a Mac. i’ll just use my Multi functioning PC to do whatever i want on the internet. bye. i’m sorry for your loss.

    IAMBATMAN
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    @Paul_Is_Drunk: I fully agree with you. Not to mention what happens if a part that came with your mac breaks? (speaking in terms of desktops. Laptops are almost always return to manufacturer) Like for example you blow a capacitor on the motherboard by running it during a storm, because the company is so proprietary you have to either mail it yourself back to the manufacturer OR take it to one of their stores that may or may not be anywhere near you just to have them ship it back to the manufacturer of course there is always that 30% chance… Read more »

    Deluxe
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    I have to agree with reboot on some points: VMWare Fusion is a excellent product that let you run most Windows applications. The most important point that make me buy a Mac: a full Unix Operating system, plus an excellent UI (minus this f*cking maximize button that do not maximize), plus Microsoft Office. The best from both worlds (Unix/Windows). Good combination of hardware by the time I searched for a laptop (the magnetic cord is a good plus too, the screen is excellent). One point on the dark side: My slot-in optical drive broke (doesn’t eject discs anymore) after one… Read more »

    Deluxe
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    Oh, and sorry for the bad english.

    Howie Feltersnatch
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    Yeah, there’s no reason at all to have a Mac. Other than the fact that my Mac boots in under 20 seconds. And when I log in, 8 seconds top and my web browser and email are already up and running. Even the fastest, most tricked out PC I’ve ever used can’t come close to that. (Well, maybe if it’s running Linux.) Windows is still farting around, thinking about drawing the start menu and loading a bunch of Micro$haft shiat and third-party software that adds features that should have been included in the first place, and meanwhile on my Mac… Read more »

    dekay46
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    I like boobs.

    Sticky
    Member

    @gimmeethebeat:
    I work at my college and they give me a decent (but by no means great) paycheck. If I worked more I’d probably have an okay cushion of spending cash.

    gimmeethebeat
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    gimmeethebeat

    @dekay46:
    I second this.
    @Sticky:
    Eh, I just have more important things to worry about than an OS, like a new car and rent.

    pheonyx74
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    pheonyx74

    My friend Andy can crash a brandnew PC with Vista or XP (and has) within 24 hours of aquiring it. He now has a Mac and has had it for 4 years and it HAS NEVER CRASHED. A brand new pc has to have all kinds of thigs loaded onto it in order to start working with it. A new Mac; open the box plug in everything and plug in the internet and you are ready to go. 4+ hours vs 3 min. Hmmmm no brainer there.

    pheonyx74
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    pheonyx74

    The only reason to not get a Mac would be for Linux users, customizers, gamers, and businesses.

    frogurtx
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    @pheonyx74:
    Your friend Andy is what we refer to as a “dumbass”–the perfect Mac customer. May he find happiness in his ignorance.

    Paul_Is_Drunk
    Member

    @pheonyx74: I hate to tell you this, but your friend Andy is an idiot. (These are also the stories Mac users like to lie about and make up, but I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt and not calling you a liar).

    Just because you have to give a child safety scissors doesn’t mean safety scissors are better than regular scissors. Now, charge more for those safety scissors…

    @pheonyx74: And to save a lot of money.

    pheonyx74
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    pheonyx74

    I didn’t say he wasn’t a dumb**s. Just that the stability of Mac by far surpasses PC.

    Alec Dalek
    Member

    Mac user using Windows:
    Oh my God! I am in pain, I had to click the mouse TWICE! Fuck’n Jesus what am I going to do, I’m crippled, damn my styrofoam bones. Damn you sweet Jesus and your kinetics!

    vandal
    Member

    lol I built my first 3 computers as a kid(pricewatch.com) and the one my parents currently use and my sister at college. I was scared to buymy first mac 2 years ago, but I’ve never looked back. It never fails I spent 2400 on it, but get this, after two years my computer is still worth 1900$!!! buying a mac is like buying a nice car, it holds its value. I can trade it in spend 700$ and get a brand new mac. I used to be a PC fanboy gogo counter strike and shit. But now i actually use… Read more »

    Alec Dalek
    Member

    Mac User: oh my sweet fuck’m god that dick feels so good in my ass! Thank you steve gobs! Take all my money! Shove it up your ass!

    vandal
    Member

    1 more thing, all these people that are SO worried about .000000001% performance difference I don’t understand you. .0000000000000001% performance means nothing i dont care if your pc plays a video game at 88 fps instead of my 87, The difference is so minute that i would rather have a real operating system that allows me to do many more things. And not everyone is a computer genius, so why windows doesnt come out with a dummy proof computer for noobs is astounding, my friend bought a computer 2 months ago and within 2 days its unusable, granted he only… Read more »

    Alec Dalek
    Member

    Mac User: Thanks you steve gobs for charging 3 times as much for the same god damn hardware. I love the taste of your cum. tODAY I am somebody! I am gobs ass whore. Yay!

    Paul_Is_Drunk
    Member

    @vandal: You’re using the “my friend broke his computer in one day” story Mac lovers use. I used to repair computers, and I HAVE NEVER COME ACROSS THIS. *What’s your friend’s name? *How do you know him? *Is he the same guy that your sister’s friend’s uncle knew who microwaved a Chihuahua? What you actually said: “My old roomate had an alienware, and he would always ask for my laptop to write his papers on.” O_o? So he spent $2,000+ on a custom computer (which he could have built himself for half) and he didn’t have Microsoft Word, so he… Read more »

    pheonyx74
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    pheonyx74

    @Paul_Is_Drunk
    You obviously don’t know people who THINK they are hackers with no true talent for it.

    EuroUSA
    Member

    I love PCs. I became a PC tech, all self-taught as a pure matter of survival and I became quite proficient at it too. I live in a country and region where English is not the main language by any stretch of the imagination. When I had PC problems, I had to literally take out a day to travel by train and underground getting there and back and then trying to explain to a tech what the problem could be. Almost impossible for the average PC user like myself, how many times does one use tech terms in one’s daily… Read more »



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