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    Chet Manley
    rdeckard
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    WistfulD

    You can point out the supposed bias, but what do you have against that facts and figures stated? Countering everything with cries of bias just shows that one doesn’t have an argument of one’s own.

    Nurgen

    There’s a site like that for every major news outlet on the planet, Fink.

    oldnoob

    Why need to look over sea? Just see how strict the gun laws are in DC, and Chicago and the crazy high crime rate. One should be able to understand that gun control doesn’t work.

    Chet Manley

    Exactly. Chicago has some of the most restrictive anti-gun laws in the country, and it also has some of the highest crime rates in the country.

    WistfulD

    True, but Texas also has horrible crime, and I don’t think anyone can say that they have harsh gun laws. I’m thinking that there’s something intrinsically different between Switzerland and the U.S.

    Jac

    Your guns are safe, Obama is coming for your Golf clubs.

    Chet Manley

    He is an expert on those.

    theredshoes

    Mr Deckard, I refer you to my comment on the Turtle Universe thread. Some people are just unreachable.

    Chet Manley

    Do you enjoy talking to yourself?

    Saborlas

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland#Storage_of_military-issued_ammunition_by_militia_members

    Sure, you can have a gun. Most Swiss gun owners don’t have bullets. Your argument is invalid, Fink. Your username, however, fits.

    Chet Manley

    You didn’t even read the link you posted:

    “There is no restriction on possessing personally purchased ammunition capable of being used in their issued weapon, and such ammunition is readily available in shops and at many firing ranges.”

    GreedyDrunk

    Homicide Rate: (not specific to firearms):

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Number of firearms per capita:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

    Violent Crime on its way down:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

    Everyone can make their judgements based on this data (or dismiss the data all together). I believe it shows that countries like Switzerland and Finland have a high density of firearms without having a high homicide rate.

    America’s problem probably has more to do with the treatment of mental health issues, race demographics, poverty, law enforcement and partisan politics at all levels.

    If there is any doubt as to my standpoint (for making decisions on whether to up or down vote me) I am against regulation of firearms other than to keep them out of the hands of criminals, and those with mental health issues.

    rdeckard

    The annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population was 0.70, which is one of the lowest in the world.[20] However, the annual rate of homicide by guns per 100,000 population was 0.52, which is higher than neighboring countries’.[21]

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

    storminator

    Wait- wut? There are still guns in the USA? I thought Obama was going to take them all away. They said so in 2007… and 2008… and 2009… etc etc etc. Surely, they must be gone by now!

    EuroUSA

    It’s always amusing to read and hear about all the nonsense shared as though Switzerland is some form of “gun-panacea”… believe me, compared to many of our neighbours that have stricter firearm laws – IT IS NOT.
    The devastation felt of life loss from firearms has been having huge consequences in every factor of life in Switzerland. Jobs, housing, education, businesses in both rural and cities… everything. Every family doesn’t seem to be immune to the horror we are suffering.
    America is huge compared to Switzerland – and when murder and suicide take place here compared to America – in a country of only 8 million, one death either by murder and/or suicide has huge ramifications and it’s effect is felt in every sector of our daily lives.

    “One source of information about guns is GunPolicy.Org, an evidence-based database on firearm safety hosted by the Sydney School of Public Health in Australia and partly co-funded, coincidentally, by the Swiss Federal Department of Foreign Affairs. We ran some comparisons through their database.

    We’re not going to get into the definition of what makes a “civilized” country; instead, we looked at GunPolicy.org’s data on gun homicide rates for 24 countries, mostly in western Europe but also Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States.

    Switzerland’s gun homicide rate was anything but “the lowest.”

    It was fourth highest.

    Only Greece, Ireland and the United States had higher rates.

    (Switzerland also has the seventh highest suicide rate and the third highest rate of gun-related suicide, according to the GunPolicy.org data. In the latter case, only the United States and Finland had higher rates. Switzerland and Italy were tied for second for the rate of unintentional gun deaths; the United States was number one.)

    “Guns kept at home are not necessarily dangerous in the streets, but mostly in situations that happen at home, such as suicide and murder of family members (especially females). In this respect, Switzerland has one of the highest proportions in the Western world,” said Martin Killias, professor of criminology and criminal law at the University of Zurich Law School.

    Nonetheless, we looked at its database on various crime categories such as assault, robbery, and theft, where guns were most likely to be involved, to see whether the crime rate in Switzerland was really that low. It wasn’t:

    Eleven out of 26 countries had lower rates of theft than Switzerland.
    Thirteen of 26 had lower rates of robbery.
    Six of 26 had lower rates of assault.
    So the Swiss can’t boast the lowest crime rate, another claim gun advocates make.

    www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2013/jan/06/facebook-posts/facebook-posting-says-gun-rich-swiss-have-lowest-f/

    In Switzerland – every single day, one person kills himself or herself with a gun, more often than not a military weapon – a fact the authors say is directly connected to lax Swiss firearms legislation.

    According to the study, published in the current edition of the American Journal of Public Health, Switzerland and the United States have the highest rates in the world of suicide involving guns.

    Suicides are also five times more common than the total number of deaths related to car accidents, drug abuse and AIDS combined.

    www.swissinfo.ch/eng/high-gun-suicide-rate-linked-to-easy-access/982416

    (the photographs are completely misleading – all the weapons are obviously military issued. Clearly, no one in the photograph is over age 30; they are either on-leave or on the way to military training. Of course, none of the weapons are ever allowed to be loaded while off-base. Any form of break of this rule calls for huge reprimands and/or dismissal.)

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