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    JB

    We are born straight. The question is when do we decide to go gay.

    bstaples

    Fail Logic/10

    troll harder.

    sambo78

    Nope. No fail logic.

    The argument that homosexuality is a choice is a circular argument.

    This is a proof by contradiction.

    Learn more stuff dood.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    No its pretty clear. You just don’t get it. Sad. At least you’re not alone.

    Korinthian

    If you can’t explain *why* it’s bad logic: you’re the troll.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    Because you’ve got your fellow REEEEEEEETAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD.

    Hey retard!

    Hey!

    sambo78

    Oh look. Navi is back.

    sambo78

    He doesn’t care. Remember that his usual angle is to lie outright.

    bstaples

    Because the debate is whether something SPECIFIC you do is done by choice. Asking when I chose to do the opposite amounts to a little more than “NO U”.

    Also this question makes the downright silly assumption that the desire for hetero sex needs to be chosen rather than being a natural, default action. You wanna suck dick, I don’t care. But don’t pretend it’s under duress.

    But I’ll bite, I decided to be straight when I decided not to be a nasty, sexual deviant. Now what’s your point?

    Korinthian

    I get it now, none of you bigots actually understand the difference between sex and sexuality (Being gay isn’t something you “do”). First you say sexuality isn’t chosen, then you say that you chose to be heterosexual when you chose not to be gay. I actually don’t have to add anything more to that. I’d call your position a paradox if “stupid” wasn’t a more apt name for it. It’s funny how you don’t understand that this picture is making fun of ignorant people just like the one I’m taking to right now. But hey, thanks for making it blatantly… Read more »

    sambo78

    No, it amounts to quite a bit more than “NO U”.

    By pointing out how silly it would be to say you choose to be straight,
    this demonstrates how silly it is to say homosexuality is a choice.

    Also, who the fuck said it’s under duress? Do you even know what that
    word means?

    Logic, foo.

    bstaples

    First you say sexuality isn’t chosen, then you say that you chose to be heterosexual when you chose not to be gay. I actually don’t have to add anything more to that. I’d call your position a paradox if “stupid” wasn’t a more apt name for it.

    Doesn’t get sarcasm.

    who the fuck said it’s under duress? Do you even know what that
    word means?

    Doesn’t get hyperbole.

    HoChunk

    We get ’em when they’re done right.

    sambo78

    Came to say what hochunk said.

    Puulaahi

    Who gives a shit either way.

    sambo78

    The answer would be religious fundamentalists, who are most likely repressed homosexuals.

    I really want to know if Bin Laden had gay porn on his computer. For that matter I want to know if Pat Robertson has gay porn on his computer.

    rebelyell2006

    Pat Robertson probably has nude pictures of himself on his computer. And he masturbates daily.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    God you’re a fucking loser.

    Travel. Do something. This is sad to read. You’re pathetic ans cared of the big bad world.

    DO SOMETHING WITH YOURSELF

    Korinthian

    If he did, it would be homosexual masturbation.

    Are you in favor of homosexuality? I could’ve sworn you were opposed to it.

    sambo78

    I think he’s in the closet. That would explain the constant
    homophobia and hostile macho posturing.

    sambo78

    I’ve really gotten under you’re skin, haven’t I? You’re really going out of your way to lash out at me lately. Your sad petulant rage amuses me, but here’s some advise. You come on these forums, lie your ass off, and attack people that your threatened by. Then I call you on your lies and you leave in a huff. Then you get pissed off and come back for more. Do you see the sad vicious cycle here? Magnus, I know you’re a sociopath with delusions of grandeur and a persecution complex, but there must be some tiny, rational part… Read more »

    HoChunk

    Can’t you see he’s in love with you?

    Anon

    I’m gay/bi/whatever and I never see the point in these arguments. It sounds like they want to say “I was born this way” as an excuse for being gay… It doesn’t matter why you are gay, just accept it and move on.

    Korinthian

    It’s weird that you’re both bisexual and oblivious to why it matters.

    I think someone’s pants are on fire.

    draikyn

    this kind of argument is not aimed at gay people so they can ‘accept it and move on’. It’s aimed at all those homophobic fuckwits with three brain cells that justify their position by telling themselves that homosexuality is a choice and therefore fair game.

    titanzero

    about 2 mins after i realised how gay being a fag is

    Bakudai

    When I touched boobs.

    sambo78

    They were squishy?

    sambo78

    They bit you?

    sambo78

    You discovered you did not like them?

    sambo78

    You discovered you liked them?

    sambo78

    The bouncer threw you out of the strip club?

    Puulaahi

    You discovered you are gay?

    Puulaahi

    You were bitch slapped like a real bitch?

    Destrucctaur

    Homosexuality is certainly anomalous behavior in a biological sense. I just don’t think it’s as harmful to society as conservatives claim. As for it being a choice, yes, it probably is. Because genetic predispositions to homosexuality wouldn’t survive long in the gene pool.

    Korinthian

    lern 2 biology. Some things can swim in the gene pool because (very simply put) one piece o’ gene doesn’t just equal one benefit or detriment. Example. The gene that protects against malaria increases the chance of getting HIV/aids. Moreover, it’s not for certain (as far as I know) that there is a gay gene, but that the hormones of the mother when the child is in the womb decides the sexuality. But for the sake of argument, let’s say that there is a gay gene. Could it be possible that, as some people argue, sexuality exists on a sliding… Read more »

    Destrucctaur

    You have something of a point. Perhaps it’s a “sliding scale”, or perhaps it’s just a number of elements about another person (regardless of gender) that you inherently consider attractive.

    But whether you actively go homo or not is still a choice. Affected by culture, maybe, but definitely a choice. I mean, I might also label myself as “bi-curious”, meaning I find some men attractive, but that doesn’t mean I’d go grabbing their butts.

    Korinthian

    You don’t seem to understand the difference between homosexuality homosexual sex.

    Korinthian

    homosexuality and homosexual sex*

    Destrucctaur

    So what does homosexuality mean in your book?

    Korinthian

    You can look the definition up on the Internet.

    Do you honestly believe the relationship between a straight married couple can be reduced to the mere occasional sexual act between the two? Of course you don’t.

    Having sex with a man won’t make you any gayer than you are now.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    THAT’S CALLED RAPE YOU FUCKING IDIOT

    sambo78

    Gay sex is rape? You really have gone off the deep end, Mags.

    ConcernedCitizen

    Maggie is back on the crack for sure.

    Destrucctaur

    Here’s a thought in favor of homosexuality by choice. Ancient Greece. Yes, I know homosexuality wasn’t as widespread as some people think, and that it was actually bisexuality (considering the men who were into their young male apprentices also had wives) but it was there.

    If homosexuality is genetic, then we should assume that a large percentage of upper-class Greek males had those genes. A rather unlikely coincidence. Everything points to homosexuality by choice. And it wasn’t just about sex (free young meat readily available), it was about culture (references exist in Greek literature and mythology), seemingly even about love.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    You’re making sense and thinking it will be effective in dealing with retards.

    The more sense you make won’t matter. Being gay may or not be a choice but these fucking idiots were for sure born slow.

    Korinthian

    I don’t doubt that homosexuality as well as homosex existed back then. But if you claim that a significantly larger percentage of the population were having romantic homosexual relationships back then I’d love to see where you’ve gotten that information.

    Destrucctaur

    It would seem that a significant portion of
    UPPER-CLASS Greek males had
    sexual relationships with boys.
    Whether it was common or not among
    lower classes is unknown, since they
    didn’t usually hit the news.

    “The most widespread and socially significant form of
    same-sex sexual relations in ancient Greece was
    between adult men and pubescent or
    adolescent boys, known as pederasty.”

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

    sambo78

    First, before Magnus or any other trolls try to lie about what I am saying, I am not defending the Greek practice of pederasty in this post. Ok, lemme get this straight. It’s highly unlikely that a large number of upper class Greek males had “gay genes” is unlikely. Because you say so. Why? You have not considered alternative explanations. For instance, a very low percentage of the modern population reports itself as gay. However, we live in a society where there is institutionalized intolerance of gays on many levels, which would lead to fewer people identifying as gay. However,… Read more »

    Korinthian

    I don’t know, that looks more like sexual contracts (in the example of pederasty) and having a convenient source of sex in the military to me.

    Destrucctaur

    If a large percentage of Greek upper class men were homosexuals through genetics, then that would stand to reason that it was similar in other social classes as well, unless being born into the aristocracy is also a genetic thing and in correlation with homosexuality. Now I remind you again that overpopulation is a recent trend and a “gay gene” as a means of controlling the number of births would have become useful only recently. Child mortality rate in ancient times was extremely high and, thus, every child was valuable. A large percentage of people being homosexual and unwilling to… Read more »

    sambo78

    You changed your point. Originally, you said that it’s unlikely that a large number of upper lass men were gay, and therefore it was a choice. You deserve a point by point rebuttal. QUOTE: “If a large percentage of Greek upper class men were homosexuals through genetics, then that would stand to reason that it was similar in other social classes as well, unless being born into the aristocracy is also a genetic thing and in correlation with homosexuality.” Ok, so what. This is a big assumption unrelated to the point. QUOTE: “Now I remind you again that overpopulation is… Read more »

    Destrucctaur

    What? I never said that a large part of Greek men WEREN’T gay. A large part were gay (or bi, whatever, let’s settle with one term), as far as we can figure out considering we don’t have any antique census data. And my assumption was completely to the point. Since you didn’t, or chose not to understand it, I’ll make it clearer: the gayness of Greek males was by choice for the reasons and logic described in my previous post. As for your other replies, well, I don’t think these deserve a point-by-point rebuttal, but I’ll do it anyway. My… Read more »

    Anonymoose

    You’d be surprised what kind of genes thrive when overpopulation hits – all sorts of shit that you’d think would be bad for the species as a whole just starts running rampant as if the species itself is saying, “Yeah, we could stand a little less of us.”

    You’d think being a fucking dumbass wouldn’t survive very long in the genepool – and yet…

    Anonymoose

    Addendum: I’m not saying correlation is causation here – I’m just saying that we have a very large sample to work with when looking for genes that you’d think would have died out by now.

    jadechimera

    How is genetic diversity ‘bad’ for a species?

    Biology fail.

    The fact that I even have to read this shit negates any argument of choice or by borth because either way FAGS ARE FUCKING ANNOYING.

    You can all die from AIDS because you feminize yourselves and you don’t know when to keep your weak little bitch ass mouths shut.

    Now fuckoff.

    sambo78

    Tell me about the first time you fantasized about sex with a man, Magnus.

    bobo

    faggotness is an anomaly in the gene pool. nobody is perfect. most people are straight, because thats how nature intended it. then some are faggots. whether they choose to be ones or are born that way is another question. however those that are faggots are not in line with natural process. its ok with me since that leaves me with more pussy.

    storminator

    I don’t care if you’re straight or gay or a lesbian or transgender- just stop bogarting that joint! Puff – puff – pass, bitch!

    DMYTRIW WDS

    Our country must be in awesome shape if this is the only thing that people get upset and preoccupied with.

    zeblic

    if you were gay
    that’d be okay.
    i mean ’cause, hey,
    i’d like you anyway.
    because you see,
    if it were me,
    i would feel free
    to say that i was gay
    (but i’m not gay.)
    so what should it
    matter to me
    what you do in bed
    with guys?

    HoChunk

    You know how I know you’re gay?

    Hi im from ny

    You know how I know you’re gay?

    You look forward to Cashmods post.

    djethex

    inb4 equality.

    Chester

    Just about the time I discovered my dick could go into vaginas and between titties. When I found out about anal sex, I was just too into vaginas and titties to give that up.

    P.S. you can fuck girls in the ass too.

    *high five*