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    Insanely Rational

    2+2=4, buddy. You can spend every day of your life trying to delude yourself into believing that 2+2=Jesus riding a unicorn, but that won’t change reality one bit.

    100110110110010

    2+2 != Jesus riding a unicorn.
    2+2 = Jesus riding a unicorn AND obama is an uppity jigaboo.
    Q. E. D.

    Finn

    You know what? I’m glad there isn’t some sky-father imposing some patriarchal stupid-ass meaning on my life. The purpose of my life is what ever the hell I want it to be. Atheism, Fuck Yeah.

    anadin

    You’d be suprised how close this is to what religion used to be.

    The whole judgemental benevolent father is relatively modern. And yeah it fucking sucks.

    Tyger42

    I’m just glad that the Christian ideal of “god” is wrong. I’m not going to go as far as to say there’s no higher power. I don’t believe that power is an ever-watchful, petty, egotistical bastard who meddles in our lives to suit his whims and damns us all to an eternity of pain and torment if we don’t sing his praises and go to a special building every Sunday. Honestly, if there’s a “heaven”, all that should matter to get in is whether you tried to be a generally good person as best you could. The praise and all… Read more »

    anadin

    Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law – as Crowley said.

    Alec Dalek

    I rate this troll 1/10. Meaningless troll bitch is meaningless. You’ve got nothing. Bring something to the game or stay home with your momma!!

    Fluffin

    Meaningless? The only reason those religious people live is for the pure fact of trying to get into heaven? That fucking sucks. Banging, drinking, (some) other people, the entire fucking earth, the entire fucking universe…. those arn’t enough for you? Oh, and thinking for yourself is pretty sweet too.

    anadin

    “The only reason those religious people live is for the pure fact of trying to get into heaven”

    Very wrong.

    Its easy to see why people choose atheism if you go around believing this.

    I for one feel like I am already in heaven. Life is that good. I believe there will be something after I die. I have no idea what, but I am not worried – I’m kinda looking forward to finding out.

    gx5000

    Looking forward to the unknown, ok I can buy that.
    Not shutting up about religious significance and such not.
    Original sin is a simple control method and it sucks.

    anadin

    Hey this is a religious thread I’m aloud to sound off on my soap box.

    Alec Dalek

    Stop being so aloud!

    anadin

    *shame*

    Anonymoose

    Personally, I find the entire concept of an afterlife to be what makes life on earth meaningless – at least moreso than the belief that life is at its very core chaotic chance – at least the latter leaves room for every individual to give their own existence meaning as opposed to having it taken away by making life a perpetual preparation for “something better.”

    anadin

    Life is what you make it, not chaotic chance. That reasoning is for weak pussies. Believing in life after death doesnt always mean “something better”. If you were really logical you would reason even an eternity in agonising pain wouldnt be that bad, pain is only relative to comfort, with no comfort to compare it to the problem of pain would go away. Being alive is painful, we are slowly dying. We scream and wail as soon as we exit the womb. As B.I.G said: “It don’t make sense going to heaven with the goodie goodies Dressed in white, I… Read more »

    gx5000

    You’re quoting a Rap signer ? seriously ?

    anadin

    Some people consider the truth to be everywhere.

    See its not all about the bible and what the church consider to be scripture – its about the human spirit and the truths we hold inside us. So fuck yeah – Tupac, Biggie, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Cypress Hill, Cliff Richard I dont care what your pre-concieved notion of somebody is – art comes from somewhere very special inside of us and it holds very important messages.

    Korinthian

    Who cares who he quotes as long as it’s something good.

    That said, it was a crap quote.

    anadin

    Yeah it was a crap quote but it illustrates a point.

    Would sitting on a cloud playing a harp for eternity be something you want?

    Aquaman43

    Can Atheism be counted as a religious belief? There’s no house of worship, no tithing, no masthead. It has nothing that a conventional religion has, except sense.

    WistfulD

    Oh , not another, “is zero a number?” debate! Seriously dude! wtf?

    anadin

    As soon as someone posts an image like this the atheists get out their internet pitch forks and try to defend their belief. Its exactly like religion except twice as crazy. What gets me is they actually think it is edgy / cool or modern, when in fact they are in the ideal position. People fought and died over beliefs and FINALLY we can be civil and share ideas without being lynched. Yet they’re all like: NANANANANANANANANANA IM NOT LISTENING Guys if you don’t believe in anything… y u so mad? I’ll tell you why – your soul doesn’t agree.… Read more »

    Ando

    Soul? LOL.

    anadin

    Hehe that rhymes

    Jake

    You have such a misconception of atheism it’s a wonder that you’re willing to talk about it.

    anadin

    Please feel free to correct me, thats what we’re here for after all…

    TheLotusEater725

    Then please clarify what Atheism “is”.

    You know i always hear atheists correcting other non-atheists for not “getting” atheism giving a billion reasons for what constitutes as a true atheist or what atheism is. Christians do the same exact thing. Ask 12 christians what a real christian is and they will give you 14 different answers.

    Alec Dalek

    That’s the “No true Scotsman” argument. In reality, the whole purpose of being an atheist is you get to be whatever the fuck you want and believe whatever the fuck you want.

    anadin

    Ah see this explains some major differences in opinion. We should have clarified this to begin.

    I was thinking along the wikipedia lines of:

    Rejection of belief in deities.
    The polar opposite of a person with spiritual beliefs.
    Somebody that believes we are just a cosmic accident, a random collection of germs and matter with no real purpose.

    VikingCommando

    You know, I was with you up until those last two sentences. Seriously, you went from semi logical to bat shit insane in the span of 4 words. How do you crash and burn that badly?

    Lolcat

    “It has nothing that a conventional religion has, except sense.”

    No, religion does not have sense.

    Jake

    You’re right. Atheism is NOT a religion. Atheism is as much a religion as not playing football is a sport.

    anadin

    Well playing table tennis is not playing football, so not playing football – in this case – is a sport.

    Logical fallacy FTW.

    Alec Dalek

    Please stop being so aloud!

    #makecasemdsgreatagain

    ALLAAAH IS GREAAAT!!!!!

    Alec Dalek

    (at pedophilia)

    WaltherKid

    thats what they mean when they are yelling “Admiral Ackbar”

    Qball

    I’m sorry, I don’t need a supernatural life insurance policy in order to treat my fellow man with kindness and respect. I don’t need the promise of “something better” in order to feel as if my life has meaning and purpose. If there is a god, I doubt that he would be pleased with all of the religious, cultural and racial persecution that persists in this world. From my understanding of religion, god is an all-forgiving deity who loves his children, us, unconditionally, without prejudice against race, religion or ethnicity. How sad that his children insist on bickering on his… Read more »

    Mike

    Atheism isn’t a religion.

    Alec Dalek

    Religion = belief
    Atheism = non-belief
    belief != non-belief

    DMYTRIW WDS

    Saying atheism is a religion is like saying that “not-stamp-collecting” is a hobby

    In fact, ”atheism” is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a “non-astrologer” or a “non-alchemist.” We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs. -Sam Harris

    The Matrix: Rebooted

    This quote should automatically be at the top of every thread about atheism. Its the 21st century, I shouldn’t have to explain to anyone why I don’t believe in magic.

    anadin

    You may not believe in magic, but our technology would be magic to our ancestors. Your perspective changes your opinion. Because of our advancement the fantastical has become mundane. In the past I expect there were practitioners capable of magical feats – but these days it would be easy to explain with a periodic table and a microscope.

    My monitor is flat. Now thats magic.

    VikingCommando

    That’s dumb. You are dumb.

    outlanderssc

    Is there some rule that Atheists have to “call believers unreasonable people who have unjustified beliefs”?

    I don’t believe I’ve ever done that.

    It wasn’t in the Atheists handbook I got when I signed up. Does this mean I’ll be excommunicated and not allowed to not believe in God?

    Maybe if I just make a huge donation to the Atheist Church they’ll grant me a dispensation.

    outlanderssc

    Yes, snarks are a great way to not only express my opinion but add a bit of humor while I’m doing so. You may not find it humorous, but I do – and that’s what counts.

    Korinthian

    Do you understand the difference between disagreement and “respecting someone’s right to believe”?

    Perhaps you should think about that for a moment.

    dre

    same goes for liberals.. oh wait, they’re one and the same.. go fucking figure

    The Matrix: Rebooted

    God is often described as being causeless and sourceless. If God doesn’t have a creator, does that mean that his or hers existence is meaningless and pointless? If something that has a meaningless existence created us, doesn’t that mean that our existence is pointless, too? See, theism has all of the same existential dilemmas as atheism. You just quit asking the questions because you think ‘God’ is a valid answer. But the problem with religion is that is really doesn’t answer any of the Big Questions. The Bible has a bunch of rules to follow, but it doesn’t actually tell… Read more »

    dre

    not a religious person myself, but i have read the bible and seriously, if you have, you’d know that the purpose is to live a good life and be a good individual doing the right thing.. that’s pretty much the point of the bible

    Korinthian

    I see you skipped the old testament, and certain parts of the new testament.

    storminator

    I believe in Methodological Naturalism. Which, by default, makes me an athiest.

    anadin

    I get it, and its a good place to have your head.
    Problem is Methodological Naturalism relies on science.
    And science cannot even explain gravity properly. So in effect gravity is super-natural. We don’t have the understanding to explain and quantify it. We know it’s there, we see its effect – but scientists are still arguing over the rules.

    The only way they can explain some of the forces in this world is through putting them down to other dimensions we cannot observe.

    If that isnt supernatural I dont know what is.

    Korinthian

    I don’t think you have the same definition of super-natural as clever people do.

    anadin

    I don’t think you are very clever.

    Twosixteen

    The same can be said for you.

    anadin

    I don’t think I am very clever?

    True.

    bstaples

    Atheism:
    Has concepts it unquestionably venerates
    Messengers it unquestionably deifies
    Books and Passages that can be quoted from heart
    Ignorant followers doing ignorant things
    Campaigns to spread its message
    AND
    Its very own “Deus Ex Machina” in the form of Evolution (Why can X do Y? ummmm….cuz….it learned it from evolution!)

    Just the next fashionable religion.

    DMYTRIW WDS

    Just because a person is atheist doesn’t mean they have to have a preoccupation with science. There are zero prerequisites to be one.

    Korinthian

    “Has concepts it unquestionably venerates” – It only has one concept that is out of necessity held to be true. I don’t think it’s correct to say it is ‘venerated’. “Messengers it unquestionably deifies” – Not true. Although there are several figureheads, none of them are seen as more than human. Oh, and I wouldn’t use “unquestionably” in the description of an atheist as they tend to be the other way around (Dawkins doesn’t agree with everything Darwin said, for instance). “Books and Passages that can be quoted from heart.” – Not universally true, nor a requirement for atheism. But… Read more »

    anadin

    “Evolution is not a requirement of atheism. It kind of us a requirement for being a modern, educated person, though.”

    Hehehe yeah thats some real cutting edge stuff right there.

    Korinthian

    That’s a given. I wrote it.

    anadin

    By ‘educated’ you mean ‘has read at least one book’?

    Korinthian

    “More than one Book” would fit better in this particular context, wouldn’t you say?

    anadin

    Alright.

    Grammar nazi.

    Alec Dalek

    Boys, boys! You both fail.

    anadin

    Your head is a dalek.

    anadin

    Worst. Religion. Ever. How to spot a dangerous religion: Doesn’t teach love. Doesn’t teach moral values. Yes we know religion is responsible for wars and horrible acts, but it is the glue that has held civilisation together and allowed us to progress this far. Totally invaluable to society. A belief system based on science? Ridiculous, the two subjects do not mix – you cannot understand morals or love through science. And science is constantly evolving, we do not have the full picture – it is still a LOT of guesswork. Like; ‘we know what planets are made out of from… Read more »

    Korinthian

    “Doesn’t teach love.
    Doesn’t teach moral values.”

    While I understand your meaning, this doesn’t envelop the truth of what makes a dangerous religion.

    One of religion’s strengths that it can teach two (or more) opposing things at the same time.

    “Send someone to heaven as an act of love” is the first example that springs to mind.

    “Moral values” and “love” can mean anything inside the narrow confines of a religion.

    anadin

    No I agree, but its an easy way to spot a dangerous religion.

    The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer. – A. Einstein.

    For all you atheists out there un-familiar with Einsteins (non)religious banter – check out “Einstein’s God: Albert Einstein’s Quest As a Scientist and As a Jew to Replace a Forsaken God”

    Korinthian

    Which religions are dangerous according to those criteria?

    anadin

    Raëlism
    The Order of the Solar Temple
    Creativity Movement
    Chen Tao

    I guess the problem is I have not been a member of these organisations, so I do not know first hand. But from what I can tell love and moral value would be least of their interests.

    Korinthian

    So all the major religions pass the test?

    anadin

    Well by definition really.

    Teaching hate and intolerance never really takes off. Yes it happens, mostly through perverted sects of major religions, but the foundations of major religions are 99% pure.

    There is always exceptions.

    Harry

    Why do you think that determining the chemical composition of astronomical objects using spectrometry is crazy?

    anadin

    I just don’t get how scientists can stand up and proudly declare they have figured out what a celestial body – millions of miles away – is made of by….. looking.

    Is it me or os that just bat-shit insane?

    Its scientific method gone mad. Arrogant bastards.

    anadin

    I totally agree with this.

    These wippersnappers think science is infallible.

    They have some suprises coming. Almost everything I was taught at school has been disproven. Especially the bit about me being a lazy good for nothing failure.

    Korinthian

    dallasalice: I think you just equated your belief in god with willful ignorance.

    It might not have been your intention, but it’s clear that your understanding is lacking in certain areas.

    If you are implying that your god requires just as much/little faith as a black hole, I’d ask you to present your best piece of evidence of its existence.

    Korinthian

    dallasalice: I think you just equated your belief in god with willful ignorance.

    It might not have been your intention, but it’s clear that your understanding is lacking in certain areas.

    If you are implying that your god requires just as much/little faith as a black hole, I’d ask you to present your best piece of evidence of its existence.

    Lolcat

    dallasalice – the big difference is that with science you DON’T have to believe the scientist, you can verify his claims for youself.

    Now just imagine what would happen if Protestants got to peer-review every batshit insane claim made by Catholics (or vice-versa, pick your poison)

    Lolcat

    Anadin – “These wippersnappers think science is infallible.

    They have some suprises coming. Almost everything I was taught at school has been disproven.”

    Yes, disproven by SCIENCE with better answers. Religionists still believe the same crazy shit as thousands of years ago.

    anadin

    Religionists have changed their beliefs quite a bit. Y’know with Jebus and all that jazz.

    And yes science comes up with better answers. Thats my point. Its only a matter of time before we are given PROOF our universe is inside a marble, sitting on a table, in a world contained within a bubble, floating through another world, balanced on a disc on the back of four elephants, standing on a turtle, flying through space.

    My point is no-one really knows what the fuck is going on.

    laughinglion

    I acknowledge your point, mine was that science explains what the fuck is going on a little bit better than religion.

    “science may not have all the answers, but it does supply all the answers we do have”

    anadin

    Yeah I think the problem is people take religion and try to apply it like a science.

    It should be a personal thing that has a special meaning to you.

    Not something to enforce upon other people.

    orbitn

    Spectral absorption – Certain materials absorb certain frequencies of EM Radiation (“Light”). This is an observable fact here on earth, in our local area of space, and laws of physics don’t change. It’s our problems extrapolating the laws of physics that make them seem like they do. Thats how they can have an idea of what a planet, or star, or other body is made of – its not just by looking, its by examining its radiated energy – examining the spectrum of that energy – and seeing what absorption lines are present. It doesn’t give you every single detail,… Read more »

    Lolcat

    “How to spot a dangerous religion:

    Doesn’t teach love.
    Doesn’t teach moral values”

    Love me or burn in hellfire for eternity.

    Yeah, that’s my definition of love too.

    laughinglion

    That’s not even wrong.

    Scientific peer review is based on the premise that if other scientists can’t get the same findings that you did, then you have made a mistake somewhere.

    anadin

    Well done – you spotted a dangerous one.

    Tyger42

    “Has concepts it unquestionably venerates
    Messengers it unquestionably deifies”

    There’s where you’re wrong. One of the key aspects of a true atheist is that they question everything. Which tends to naturally lead in a disbelief in most standard religious teachings. Most atheists don’t dismiss the possibility of a higher power, but simply say it is unlikely to be so. Only a fool dismisses something outright that he can’t be SURE is false. By the same token, only a fool accepts a truth as absolute if he can’t be SURE it’s true. A wise man questions everything.

    bstaples

    [“Has concepts it unquestionably venerates” – It only has one concept that is out of necessity held to be true. I don’t think it’s correct to say it is ‘venerated’.] It’s fought for, held as universally true, and respected so much that anyone who doesn’t agree, nevermind that, anyone who questions it is generally considered to be of lower intelligence. Yea, venerated. [“Messengers it unquestionably deifies” – Not true. Although there are several figureheads, none of them are seen as more than human.] Uh-huh. M[c]S, as a local example, has trading cards of these dudes and loving affix their quotes… Read more »

    Korinthian

    I almost missed your reply, it seems to have been misplaced. “It’s fought for, held as universally true, and respected so much that anyone who doesn’t agree, nevermind that, anyone who questions it is generally considered to be of lower intelligence. Yea, venerated.” This can be said about any political party or sports fan. You, of course, mean “fought” in the context of debates and discussions. But I’m glad you corrected yourself from saying “concepts” to “concept”. What religion has only one tenet (exclude atheism from this answer, if you can)? “Uh-huh. M[c]S, as a local example, has trading cards… Read more »

    anadin

    Religion with one tenet:

    Futurism

    futurians.co.uk/rational-religion.html

    Only just found this hehe thanks Kori.

    One commandment: Be good.

    Awesome.

    Korinthian

    : Oh, perhaps I was unclear. I meant an actual religion, not a sentence.

    anadin

    Nope in this day and age anything goes.

    Tyger42

    You make the rather idiotic mistake of applying the “extremist” views to the whole. That’s bad to do for any philosophy – ie: Atheism, theism, or political views.

    Twosixteen

    Problem?

    Korinthian

    “What makes you think that believers don’t question things?”

    They believe in witches, evil spirits, world-wide floods and scape-goating.

    You can see why one would get the impression you guys aren’t thinking hard enough about certain aspects of your life.

    Tyger42

    Because most clergy actively discourage asking too many questions.

    bstaples

    [I almost missed your reply, it seems to have been misplaced.] Yea, the width and format of long thread replies bug me, so I replied to a post that would give me more “room”. [Then Pokémon are deified according to your definition. You’re stretching the words you use to be all-compassing. Tsk tsk.] If you pray to your pokemon shrine in your spare time, that’s your business. Stay on-topic please. Everything can apply to everything else with a little stretching. SPECIFICALLY, i’m talking about the words of the men who declare themselves to have an understanding of the (lack of)… Read more »

    Korinthian

    “SPECIFICALLY, i’m talking about the words of the men who declare themselves to have an understanding of the (lack of) existence of any spiritual realm. You hang on their words, keep their portraits in your fap folder, make darling wallpapers and…” I didn’t even know I did those things! And those people speak like they do because they have an understanding of the real world, where everything works as if no deity were involved. Let’s hope you do better in the following replies, because this was just pathetic. “I’m referring to quotes or examples that intend to show how silly… Read more »

    WaltherKid

    thats not wikipedia’s answer. and i trust that guy. yyyup.

    Bloodyneptune

    Regardless of how much you don’t agree with one persons beliefs, or if you think they’re stupid, it really doesn’t make a shit ton of difference. Its like a bunch of people standing around a closed box, and debating what’s inside. One KNOWS its empty, another’s convinced it’s a plate of bacon. No way! Obviously if we study the box and the space around it, we can determine the object inside. The fourth is too busy arguing about it on the internet.

    You don’t know what’s in it till you open it.

    anadin

    Hell yes. Best analogy yet. And it involves bacon.

    If it was bacon I’d be able to smell it though.

    Korinthian

    What if one of the people standing around the box said it contains Gandalf?

    You don’t know that he’s not in there until you open it!

    Let’s live in the real world, shall we?

    anadin

    Gandalf is from the real world?

    Korinthian

    He must be, why else would he be mentioned in an old book? There are also several eye-witnesses to his existence (I didn’t much care for those movies, though).

    Alec Dalek

    JESUS-H-DAWKINS! You two are hogging up all the comments. You’re posting more than me even!

    anadin

    “JESUS-H-DAWKINS”

    lmao

    I’m gonna use this one if you don’t mind?

    TheLotusEater725

    But it is still in the realm of possibility that the box contains gandalf. Now how likely it is that it actually contains gandalf is a whole other story.

    anadin

    I prefered the bacon.

    Korinthian

    You disregarded the last sentence of my comment 🙁

    TheLotusEater725

    No i didn’t. plus you failed to define what the “real world” is.

    Korinthian

    You’re boring me, thelotuseater.

    TheLotusEater725

    I’m sorry i didn’t flip out and go on a rant about how atheists are going to hell or one of the other easy to deconstruct canned Theist-arguments. Would you like me to write some diatribes on why i think bhuddists should be executed or something? What the hell are you looking for? Intellectual dialogue? Well i’m sorry but you seem to have your mind made up on the subject and i have nothing to offer you besides more questions, questions you undoubtedly have been asked. The most i can offer is some companionship in hopes that more bridges will… Read more »

    Korinthian

    Was that directed at me? Next time let the amount of text match the actual content.

    anadin

    Hey hey we’ve all had a drink lets not get out of hand now

    Twosixteen

    Good call. And let me just stop this circle jerk here and say you’re fucking hot!

    Professor Ratbaggy

    If the only meaning you are able to extract from your life is via a religion, then you are really to be pitied, I suppose.  My life is filled with meaning, although I’m probably more of an agnostic than an atheist.  My life’s meaning certainly doesn’t relate to the existence or not of God or gods.

    anadin

    “Ye Are Gods” – Jesus ( & Psalms)

    Tyger42

    Why do so many Christians insist on believing that faith=religion?

    Lolcat

    I think that where much of this so-called atheist anger is coming from is that being atheist used to be BAD. I grew up in Apartheid South Africa and you better believe it that seemingly EVERYONE was a die-hard Christian. I felt incredibly lonely growing up, unable to share my blasphemous thinking. Now that it is acceptable (I suppose this depends on your geographic location) to be an atheist, we are overreacting with our newly found freedom. It’s like fags becoming socially acceptable (see previous caveat). I think pretty soon the novelty will have worn off and everyone will settle… Read more »

    anadin

    My atheist anger comes from people being raised religious, in pious greedy judgemental hipocritic churces – and deciding to take the opposite path of atheism – therefore missing out on thousands of years worth of good helpful material. I’m not saying this is what atheism means, or that all atheists are from this background. But it concerns me deeply that these churches exist and do serious damage. I can understand it. I just want people to know that not all religious ideas are this concerned with controlling you. That many are very tolerant and might be just what you are… Read more »

    Korinthian

    You’ve yet to give a good example of this “good helpful material” that isn’t already available outside of religion.

    TheLotusEater725

    Trolling atheists is easier than trolling christians these days.

    You know what i find hilarious? If there was an image macro that reduced religion(s) to such a simplistic one liner all the atheists who are whining like butthurt christians would be high-fiving eachother and swarming in on the first christian who would say “well it is isn’t that simple”

    Korinthian

    If you think that’s easy, you should try winning a discussion about religion vs a Christian.

    anadin

    I dont think there is any winning.

    How many times has someone said

    “Oh actually I never saw it like that – I take it all back”?

    I think these people just like to argue. But then again it’s good to share ideas and have a little banter right? It’s stimulating.

    Korinthian

    Wait, you can’t tell if someone has won an argument on the Internet?

    Suddenly things start to make sense, anadin.

    anadin

    Taking part is winning in my book.

    Korinthian

    I take part, *and* I crush my opponents to hear the lamentations of their fleshlights.

    TheLotusEater725

    But there is no winning in a discussion about religion no matter which side you are on. Atheism and theism are extremely abstract in both philosophy and practice. Atheistic mindsets have produced both Karl Marx and Ayn Rand. Religious mindsets gave us George Lemaitre and Tom Araya of Slayer. Religion and atheism arguments aren’t like a football game where there is a clear cut winner based on a set of rules and points systems. At least until there is a way to definitively prove that there is no god or that there is one. Unless you are capable of acknowledging… Read more »

    Korinthian

    You can’t tell who the winner of an argument is either?

    Perhaps I am more unique than I thought, or maybe yours is a stance that has to be adopted by your side of the argument.

    As a newbie, you can start off by looking at every (longer) argument in which anadin or navi (magnus buttforsomething) are involved.

    I’m just baffled by you people, and that’s not even considering the dumb zombie worshiping thing.

    anadin

    Hey I let you win sometimes.

    Seriously though – about this zombie thing, personally I just think Jesus was a very clever dude that did some good shit.

    Forget all the Dogma, this is 2011 – thats how many years since he lived. The fact we base our timeline on him is proof enough, I don’t need to believe anything else about him. The bit about dying for my sins? I don’t get that. Now I have to sin or he died for nothing. Eating his flesh…. sorry Mr Pastor WHAT?

    Korinthian

    I’m not especially impressed by his supposed intelligence, especially considering his alleged relations to a deity.

    The fact that we base our time line on his birth is just proof that we live in a historically Christian part of the world, nothing more.

    Korinthian

    Religious people are not reasonable when it comes to religion.

    And who said anything about respect?

    TheLotusEater725

    Do you honestly believe in these sweeping generalizations that you like to make? Does the notion that some of us religious folk are actually rational and reasonable people scare you so much that you feel the need to degrade the crowd as a whole.

    I don’t assume every atheist is some sensationalist fire-mouthed dick-shitter like richard dawkins.

    Korinthian

    You mis-read my comment to read “religious people are not reasonable at all”. It’s an easy mistake to make when you’re a Christian on the subject of religion.

    Perhaps you should go back to trolling easier targets (what was it, fundamentalists?), that last sentence is just too obvious, predictable and desperate.

    You’re boring me again.

    anadin

    I read it as

    Reasonable people are not religious when it comes to reason.

    Does that work?

    Yeah that works.

    Korinthian


    Of course you think you’re reasonable, what other choice to you have? The fact of the matter, though, is that you believe in silly things that you read in an old book. Things that a consistently reasonable person would regard as superstition and myth.

    I can respect people I disagree with. But I don’t hold you in very high regard because you argue like you have never met an opposing thought in your entire life.

    This is not meant in any way as an insult (promise), but are you relatively young? Under 18 perhaps?

    TheLotusEater725

    I’m sorry but isn’t atheism a little more philosophically complex than that convenient one liner would have us believe? I mean that would be like me saying that christianity is the belief in a supernatural zombie that is going to take everyone from the earth and make them into kings of heaven and…Actually that sounds pretty awesome. Still the point is that atheism is every bit as complex as theism and to simplify it in such a manner strikes me as intellectually dishonest.

    anadin

    If I worship the sun would I be atheist? Its not a deity. But it is responsible for our survival.

    I’d say that makes me pagan. But didn’t pagans believe the sun WAS a deity?

    Shit. Modern times are confusing.

    anadin

    Yup American Gods is a massive favourite of mine, Odin (Mr Wednesday) is portrayed brilliantly. Neil Gaiman is awesome.

    Also ‘Good Omens’ is very good.

    TheLotusEater725

    Well i think the complexity comes with the lifestyle of being an atheist. You lack a fundemental belief in god and therefore need to seek either external sources for guidance on any type of matter or you solve problems by analyzing your past mishaps and miscues. You can be a Gnostic-atheist or agnostic-atheist. You can base your arguments off of the arguments of Antony Flew (who eventually became a deist), Christopher Hitchens or the almighty dawkins. But i think i get what you are saying. Atheism itself is relatively simplistic, you simply do not believe in gods. As for the… Read more »

    anadin

    “So i guess Atheists are complex while atheism is simplistic.”

    Hehe its like software, works fine until users get invlolved.

    orbitn

    A satellite with a big laser or nuclear missile orbiting (Banned, but lets face it, they’re up there).. A higher power. Or lower, depending on your point of reference. It’s all relative.

    dre

    why is it that liberals never want to consider other’s opinions.. i’m not even talking about religion here. its like, if a liberal doesn’t like something it should be banned.. fucking tards.. i’m not even a conservative or a republican.. i dont give a fuck about politics, but fuck, liberals are worthless wastes of space

    TheLotusEater725

    ^this made my day.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    I see you read my literature.

    Alec Dalek

    I think you’ll find both sides are just as bad. They both suck.

    Korinthian

    What have the liberals banned?

    Luke Magnifico

    I think everyone needs to just calm down a little bit here guys.

    I mean, this is no moldy bible, but still.

    Also, there are too many people here equating “believe” with “know”. I am an atheist because I believe that there is no god. But I don’t know that there’s no god. It’s impossible for me to rule out the chance that there is a grand scientist in whose mind we are just the contents of a figurative petri dish, because I’ve never been given unequivocal proof of his absence.

    But my BELIEF is that that’s just silly.

    TheLotusEater725

    SHUT THE FUCK UP LUKE. YOU ARE BEING COOL AND RATIONAL ABOUT SHIT. ATHEISTS ARE ARROGANT FUCKS AND CHRISTIANS ARE IGNORANT UNSCIENTIFIC ASSHOLES. HOW DARE YOU COME IN HERE WITH YOUR RESERVATIONS AND TOLERANCE.

    Luke Magnifico

    HEY MAN SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT MY FUCKING TOLERANCE OR I WON’T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING I’LL JUST BE REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU

    YOU DICK

    Alec Dalek

    See! They’re both the same damn guy.

    DMYTRIW WDS

    I like your version of atheism better than mine. Do you have like a book or pamphlet I can read?

    Also, 163 comments? Holy… I mean, secular shit!

    Luke Magnifico

    I have a short novel titled “Everything is OK and everyone is a little bit right at least some of the time”, it’s on the Amazon.

    asymon

    did i miss something?

    RSIxidor

    It’s not like this is a moldy picture of the big bang.

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