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This argument makes no sense.
Apparently judging from what I’ve seen, Human Rights is just as complicated as rocket science to politicians.
Its not rocket science.. good job, americans love guns and are thick as fuck.
Not all Americans – unfortunately the “thick as fuck” ones are very vocal
Very true.
Yeah, let’s pretend this is about rights instead of liking things that kill while making loud noises.
It’s also my human right not to get accidentally shot by some trigger happy dump chick.
And how often do these accidental discharges of holstered guns occur, exactly?
Your fear of weapons does not have any bearing on the right of a citizen to arm themselves.
Can it not be an accident that you mistake the identity of the one you shoot? Like say, mistaking your neighbor/wife/philandering teenage son for a burglar?
Take any situation where strong feelings are involved and it is instantly more dangerous if a gun is close by.
I’m sure you can imagine all kinds of situations where you would do something responsible, but the adults all got together while you were watching teevee and decided to be responsible and follow the 4 rules
1-guns are always loaded (until MADE unloaded and VERIFIED unloaded on the spot)
2-keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire
3-know your target and what is beyond
4-never let the muzzle cover something you are not willing to destroy
You would have to break at least two of those simple rules to harm another human being who was not endangering your life and health, perhaps you need some time on a range with an instructor? I’m sure there is a “basic pistol” class in your area with rental guns.
Yeah, wouldn’t it be wonderful to live in a perfect society?
Too bad we don’t, eh?
Self defense = shooting someone because they pissed you off
Or in some states because they look different than you and they didn’t drop dead when you attacked them first…
Guns are for pussies who can’t handle confrontations with their hands.
Yes, 99 pound women should get into a fist fight with their 250 pound rapists … that will be much better!
Your grandfather should get into a footrace with a 19-year-old mugger, too … right?
Without effective weapons the weak are slaves to the strong, or we all need 24/7 bodyguards. Either way, the “no-weapons” world likely works out better for me than you, I’d be the freelance thug or the hired thug, not the victim waiting for a nice box-o-rape or robbery from someone bigger/meaner than myself.
Moot. If a 250 pound guy is close enough to a 99 lb. woman that she’s determined he’s definitely going to rape her, he’s also close enough (and big enough) to take that gun away from her. And maybe rape her with it.
And an old man popping a shot into a kid for taking a wallet is a justifiable response?
Only in America…
Disarming someone because -you- think they could be disarmed doesn’t make much sense.
Not understanding that mugging is an armed violent felony, however, is just being deliberately ignorant.
Guns don’t rape people, people with guns rape people!
“Guns don’t rape people, people with guns rape people!”
Wrong.
Guns don’t rape people, STRONG people rape WEAK people WHO CAN’T DEFEND THEMSELVES!
And they do it over, and over, and over again until someone stops them. Opportunistic predators want an easy victim in a place there will be no resistance.
Choose to be a victim if you like, but don’t you dare tell an adult citizen they must wait for to be victimized.
Christ, you didn’t think I was serious, did you?
Perhaps they can use their brains.
my only argument is it’s too much power, pretty much what reppy said. Mentally ill geek with a knife… pretty bad… mentally ill geek with a gun…. bodies.
You’re right, it is too much power. We should regulate these things based on an arbitrary set of criteria!
So, gunz are two muchness of powerz … hand them in, especially the ones with a shoulder thing that goez up!
And your car is too big
And your house has room for some extra people
And your education is an unfair advantage (theoretically … I’m not claiming you’re educated)
And you don’t need all that privacy
And your trial is a waste, we’ll just toss everyone in jail
… … Or … …
Maybe we could just respect the rights of other citizens?
What the hell are you talking about. Projectile trajectory, chemical propellant, complex mechanical triggering, Firearms are very much so rocket science!
Note – people in developed countries all over the word manage to defend themselves without high powered concealed weapons.
“high powered”?
Define.
What’s the point? Aren’t most college kids minors?
Make guns less easily accessible and you’ll have less Virginia Tech shootings. Every other country has colleges that don’t have shooting sprees and crime and they have a fuck less amount of guns.
No, most college kids are adults.
Also, there are countries with lower gun ownership and a higher firearm-related homicide rate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Also, I think the idea here is that one person with a gun will be less effective at killing large numbers of people if enough of those people also have guns. I’m not sure how true that is, as I haven’t seen any studies on it, though. But, on the other hand, I haven’t seen any studies that show that banning guns from campuses reduce shootings.
I think that they are hoping that at the gun saturation point, where everyone has a gun, no one will want to commit crime because anyone can defend themselves, vis a vis the Mutually Assured Destruction
That idea requires everyone to follow the Rational Actor Model, which, as history has proven, humanity does not follow. Following that, the argument is ignorant of all the factors and can, and likely will, lead to even more dangerous situations.
Although, I’ll have to plot all those to see if there is a correlation.
Lets just look at those lists for a second. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
How far down that list do you need to go to get to an IMF rated “advanced economy”? Oh shit look at that The United States, who would have thought? Followed by Finland, who has a rate half to a third that of the US.
Minors over 18?
You’re joking, right?
Shootings like VT are a result of insane people recognizing an easy victim zone. Think about it, if YOU wanted to go on a rampage would you do it somewhere that had a chance of armed resistance or somewhere that helpfully disarmed your victims?
Are you suggesting that if you are armed and want to go on a rampage, you should target primary or elementary schools? Really?
Where would YOU go?
Schools have crap security and a staff kept unarmed quite nicely. I’m not advocating a rampage, just pointing out the victim disarmament zone created by idiotic and authoritarian regulations.
Until there is a 24/7 security detail for every citizen we are responsible for protecting ourselves, 911 can’t protect you, they can just send someone to mop you off the floor and walls.
Trivializing proper gun safety by calling it a “point-and-click interface” is exactly why you shouldn’t be allowed to carry a gun around.
Professional militaries have enough trouble getting their people to “point” their guns at the enemy instead of friendlies… how are we supposed to trust some moron lurching their way through college with that responsibility?
Because otherwise there’d be no military. It’s mostly young people that join up from what I have heard.
Trivializing an adult’s right to effective self-defense is exactly the reason you shouldn’t be voting or attempting to use your other civil rights.
Guns are too easy and clean to use. Lets make carrying a sword mandatory instead, and see what happens to crime figures.
To me, self-defense is finding a way out of a dangerous situation. That’s what most martial arts are based around. If you pull a gun out, it’s just a retaliation, an escalation. It’s a desire to grievously hurt something that scares you. It’s strange to think that having the power to hurt people makes you safer.
your attitude that everyone is obligated and capable of applying proportional force to a violent felon is confusing.
You cite “martial arts” and then assume everyone has your tae bo training?
There are people who victimize other people out there in the world, they don’t pick opponents for an honorable “fair fight” they go out looking for victims. You owe it to your mother, sister, girlfriend, wife, grandparents, the disabled, and any other “easy victims” to either empower them or defend them yourself with those wicked ninja skills.
How about just making it harder to pick out a victim by allowing the populace to arm itself? Sounds like a simple solution to discourage opportunistic predators to me.
Yelling, belittling, mocking… This guy is a troll. BTW the only guy we lost in Iraq happened when the fucking idiot and his buddy were playing with their pistols on duty with their body armor off. Got him right in the chest; fucking idiots the both of them. These were two “highly trained” individuals. They were in-country and had been through 4mo intensive training. I don’t know about you but I know a hell of a lot of people I wouldn’t want to have a gun under any circumstances. That being said, I am pro 2nd amendment. That being said, there is NO REASON for 30 round mags or pistols except for killing people. None. You can say “It only takes a shooter 3 sec to reload, it wont make a difference” I say, yea but I have seen people, especially people under pressure fuck up a reload easily. Reloading pulls you out of the act of pulling the trigger, not a bad thing when someone is shooting at u. Anyways I think that guy is a troll anyways so it prob doesn’t matter. I mean “rape box?” are you kidding me?
I just might quit my job and go into professional home invasions if guns were made illegal. Come on people, if guns were made illegal only the law abiding citizens would comply with the law. Do you really think all of the criminals would turn in their guns? You would then have a huge pool of citizens unable to defend themselves and a criminal populations who would have no risk of facing the ultimate penalty if they were to break into your house.
Yeah, because a baseball bat to your head won’t kill you at all.
One less moron on earth.