Whose hater preacher to believe?

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My bat-shit crazy message of hate promotes the word of god far better than your bat-shit crazy message of hate!
I disagree! Your bat-shit crazy message of hate does not promote the word of god as well as my bat-shit crazy message of hate!


From Crooks and Liars.


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    Declaration of Independence:

    …the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them…

    …We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…

    …We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world…

    …And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

    Brevity Truta

    Maybe being an atheist should be a prerequisite for being in Government.


    What a great idea, atheistic leaders worked wonders in 1922 for the Soviet Union and for Germany in 1933.

    Brevity Truta

    I think the dictatorial urge was the problem there, not the atheism.


    I believe people with to much faith are just as screwed up as people with no faith, in my humble opinion.

    Alec Dalek

    Dude, we’ve been over this. Hitler was NOT an atheist. In was in fact a christian.


    Negative alecdalek, that crazy son of a bitch only used christianity and other religions to enforce control, just read his own words and statements. I know atheist and vegans don’t what to claim him as one of their own, but he was. Sorry.

    Brevity Truta

    Actually, gor, I think once you give yourself a bigass label, then you’re a loud, crude intellectual designer handbag clone. I agree with you, too much of anything (well … ok, many things) is a bad thing.

    Faith, or lack of it, should be more personal than public.


    As a non-christian I agree BT.

    BTW, Hilter used christainity as an instrument of control, but wished Islam was the major European religion because it would have been more effective for controlling people than the “weak” and “meekness” christian faith.


    You’re all missing the point. Did Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, et al, do they did because they were atheists? NO. Atheism is merely the lack of a belief in god, it doesn’t hold any ideals, certainly not the distinctively religious ideal that Jews are subhuman, that communism is better or any notion of eugenics.

    Evil Christians, evil atheists, evil Muslims will be evil regardless. Evil Atheists are unique in that they have less excuse – there is no divine commandment.

    The issue is religion, specifically the main ones. They are inherently irrational beliefs which can be twisted and distorted (assuming distortion is even required) to justify atrocities. Calling these believers out neccessarily entails challenging their beliefs – truth doesn’t fear inquiry now does it?

    Personally, I think they’re bullshit. Evidence, NOW, or permanently STFU and leave the world alone.


    Evidence eh?

    Ward, prove everything you just posted. With incontrovertible empirical evidence.


    Again, Hitler was baptized but that’s the only thing christian about him.
    No, you don’t have to be christian (or religious) to be a racist. No, you don’t have to be christian (or religious) to be an antisemitist. No, you don’t have to be christian (or religious) to go out of the house and rape and kill a bus full of schoolgirls.

    Nietzsche was baptized. Feuerbach was baptized. And, regarding the bible reading hours you mentioned, YOU are baptized, too. Are you a good Christian? I think not.

    No further questions.


    Oh, btw: Hitler was a teetotaller, a vegetarian and a non-smoker. Go figure.

    Alec Dalek

    It’s not because Hitler was baptized that they say he was christian. It was because he was heavily involved in christianity. In fact, he was a big fan of Martin Luther, and it is from there that that he got his ideas about exterminating the Jews. It doesn’t matter if he was a “true” christian, or just exploited it. The fact is once again, religion was available to be used as a tool of control.



    By Jove. Should I ever become a racist dictator I’ll be all about the whole Ãœbermensch crap I learned from Nietzsche and 60 years later they’ll all go: Hell, look at that bastard Goldfinger, he killed all those people because he was an atheist.

    You could very well be a Nazi without being religious at all. Religion doesn’t have anything to do with that. Should we condemn esotericism or paganism because of Himmler?


    Wait a second: Actually, the Nazis used Nietzsche, too. Just the same way they used everything else that was convinient.

    Alec Dalek

    Exactly. I’m not saying Christianity leads to Nazism. I’m just saying they weren’t Atheists. Not that it matters. But so many times growing up, it was pointed out to me that Nazism happened because of Atheism. Bullshit! People will use whatever convenient lie works for them at the time. Like those elusive WMD’s they never found.


    Or like telling people that the Dalai Lama poisoned their drinking water. Or saying that Jews want to destroy mankind.
    Doesn’t MAKE sense, but GIVES sense to the shit your up to. People want to get the mickey taken out of them.

    Plus: Using christianity as an excuse for violence makes as much sense as using atheism as an excuse for having not a single moral standard (‘Hahaaaa, there is no god, so I can do whatever I want to’). Still, that could depend on the christian or atheist you ask. To me, both is stupid. (Which brings us back to Hitler: ‘Jesus would kill al the jews!’ *durr*)


    Hmm still no answer from Weld… why is it that the people who demand incontrovertible evidence the most find it the most difficult to substantiate their own claims with incontrovertible evidence?


    Caio: There’s one flaw in every theory 😉


    Read my post again, and perhaps you’ll be able to spell my name correctly.

    Proof is in the definition. Atheism does not entail any commandments, so to say Hitler, Stalin, etc did as they did because they were atheists is nonsensical. There is no causal link. You might as well say they committed atrocities because they had moustaches.

    P.S. You’re extremely lucky I even deigned to post. I won’t be reading any replies – I usually only look at the pictures. 😀

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