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    fatherdougal

    Here is a more accurate version…

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    fatherdougal

    For those of you who think this election isn’t about choosing the shiniest of two turds, please tell me a policy position of Biden’s that has you stoked to vote this year.

    tiki god

    the end of forced sterilization of immigrants. the end of forced family separation for people presenting themselves at the borders. the end of religious based terrorism supported by the federal government the end of “good people on both sides” health care for everyone, not just the people that are lucky enough to be able to afford it. placement of federal judges that will support american’s right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, something that’s strongly restricted right now. the end of poorly hidden connections to dictators, tyrants, and anti-american forces. that’s like just 1% of the list, but… Read more »

    Last edited 1 month ago by tiki god
    fatherdougal

    None of those are actual policy proposals though, are they. Well, except for universal healthcare, which Biden explicitly stated he would veto if it ever came across his desk. So, you know, the opposite of that.

    Now try and give me an actual policy position of his that is making you excited to vote for him.

    tiki god

    how are those not policy positions? you’ve moved your goal post to be in a different stadium.

    fatherdougal

    I must be dumb. I tried and tried to find any documentation of Biden campaigning on ANY of the things you listed, and came up blank. No end of “good people on both sides”. No “end of forced sterilization by ICE”. Again, the closest I could come is the opposite of one of your points, where he promised to veto universal healthcare if it was proposed while he was president. But none of the things on your list that you seem hell bent to call a list of policy proposals. So help a fella out, will you? It’s the least… Read more »

    Last edited 1 month ago by fatherdougal
    tiki god

    all we need is the reversal of the horrors that I listed above, which you seem to be upset about having reverse.

    that says more about you than me though.

    fatherdougal

    Not upset about reversing the horrors. Upset over Biden having absolutely NOTHING to offer other than “I am not Trump”. And it’s distressing to see you and others pretend that “not Trump” in and of itself is going to fix all our ills. I swear to God I hope it wins him the election, but going back to a time that seeded the ground for a Trump presidency bodes poorly for the future. He’s a garbage candidate, and even though he is orders of magnitude better than Trump, pretending he isn’t a garbage candidate is head-in-the-sand bullshit. Convince me otherwise.… Read more »

    tiki god

    here ya go, throw a dart, win a prize: joebiden.com/joes-vision/

    fatherdougal

    I’m dumb, but the lot of you Biden fans seem incapable of pointing to a single damned thing to get excited about. Tell me, how well did barely campaigning on the single issue of not being Trump work for Hillary? Y’all are going to be mighty shocked and pissed when this replay of 2016 inevitably leads to the another Trump victory. And the worst part of it is that it is such a shitty outcome that I will take no pleasure in saying “I told you so”.

    fatherdougal

    Maybe you can help me out then instead of just insulting me. Can you give me one single policy that Biden is proposing – nothing that is a mere nullification of something Trump has pushed/stood for, mind you – that has you excited to vote for him?

    fatherdougal

    Yeah. I do see the difference. You think “orange man bad!” is a good enough platform to win the election. And you could be right. Trump has shat the bed so insanely much that it might even cost him the next election. But I don’t get all the vitriol whenever I suggest that maybe, just maybe running a campaign that gives people something to vote FOR rather than just AGAINST might be a good idea. Not to mention the fact that while a Biden presidency may well manage to reverse at least some of the wrongs committed under Trump, it… Read more »

    tiki god

    “biden fans” says everything we need to know about how you think politics work. I’ve given you about 50 reasons, and other than reaching through your screen and slapping your face with the policy positions, there’s not much more I can do.

    fatherdougal

    First, you give me a list that includes zero actual policy items. Then you link to his website. What, you expect me to do the work and find out what has you stoked? I mean, I know it can’t be universal health care, full student loan forgiveness, a UBI, the green new deal, or anything else that actually had people on the left excited since none of those are on the table. But I’m not a mind reader. YOU tell ME what has you excited. Is it really that hard? (spoiler: yes. yes it is)

    Last edited 1 month ago by fatherdougal
    tiki god

    No Mr Bond, I expect you to READ and use CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS.

    fatherdougal

    And this is why I worry that Biden will lose. When asked for one simple policy item that you get excited about, you fail to do so and instead obfuscate and say “no, no, YOU do the work”. This is the Democratic campaign writ large. Are people phone banking? Are they campaigning hard? Are they doing their dogged best to convince anyone not already convinced to get out and vote for Biden? (spoiler alert: nope, except for the all-important fence sitting centre-right voter still out there. I hear there might be three of them in the entire country) The campaign… Read more »

    tiki god

    this is the kind of conversation that’s been happening for decades at this point. You must need to special order hats with how thicc your skull is. Which of these 200 policies do you think aren’t policies? we gave you text descriptions, links to them all, and you keep saying ‘wah, that’s not what I mean’ then declare the argument dumb simply because you don’t understand what you’re being told. Are people phone banking? are you insane to ask that? The Biden campaign is doing historic phone banking, more than any other election, because the Democrats have decided that it’s… Read more »

    fatherdougal

    And which of those 200 policies has you excited to vote for Biden? Jesus Tiki, y’all keep calling me thick and an eejit, and yet you seem incapable of answering a simple question. Give me something to get excited about. Give me something other than “orange man bad”. Why is this so fucking hard for you that you have to punt and insult me every. motherfucking. time? ONE THING. It’s all I ask. And your anecdotal assurances about the campaign aside, no. No, people are not campaigning hard. For fucks sakes, the Dems aren’t even opening ground offices in swing… Read more »

    Last edited 29 days ago by fatherdougal
    tiki god

    Your problem is that you refuse all the answers that you receive, so I give up, you’re a lost soul who’s just the messenger. What you’re saying in this last comment specifically are all lies and they won’t be welcome on the site, so keep your nose clean. Biden has campaign offices in all 50 states, most of them paid positions. here’s another huge list of policy positions for others to read, I’m aware that you’re still saying he has no policies: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign#Political_positions As for your stupendeous statement that he’s not doing anything, or at least not enough for your… Read more »

    fatherdougal

    How the hell can I reject your answers when you have yet to give me one? I asked for one policy position that has you excited to vote for Biden. ONE policy. ANYTHING. But instead of answering, you keep pointing me to links of 10,000+ words of focus-grouped pablum to sift through. It’s not what I asked for. And when I call you on it, you get mad-not-mad at me over your inability to find one lousy thing to get stoked about. So you dissemble. You insult. And you refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem. Your inability to… Read more »

    Last edited 29 days ago by fatherdougal
    Old Tofu

    I’ll bite , raising minimum wage , rejoining the WHO , legalization of marijuana , increasing corporate tax rates , is that enough to start with? lol

    tiki god

    I already gave them those, but “those aren’t policies”.

    fatherdougal

    Did you now? Must’ve deleted it since, cause I can’t find them anywhere in the comment thread.

    fatherdougal

    Thanks Old Tofu. Finally someone with an actual answer, and more than one actual position even. Mind you, he’s not going to increase corporate tax rates, not ever. He only wants to decriminalize pot, which is not legalization. Rejoining the WHO is hardly something to excite the electorate… but the minimum wage thing is good. Not super exciting, mind you. It’s no green new deal or universal health care. And given Biden’s track record, I won’t hold my breath expecting him to follow through. But at any rate, it is indeed a policy, and one that can even garner a… Read more »

    Old Tofu

    to win the election maybe , for policy changes no ,that’s why we wanted bernie

    fatherdougal

    I worry that it may not even be enough to win the election. Or that it’ll be a marginal victory that the alt-right and Trump crowd will label illegitimate and things will go to shit right fast. And while the DNC probably doesn’t care all that much if they lose to Trump, (they were much more worried about “losing” to Bernie, hence the ratfucking), I dunno if the country can survive another 4 years of Trumpism. Here’s hoping the Reagan Democrat wins resoundingly, and we slow the inevitable swirl down the drain some.

    Old Tofu

    that’s why i’m 51 and voting for the first time this year

    songofsickness

    The end of forced sterilization of immigrants. the end of forced family separation for people presenting themselves at the borders. These were all Obama/Biden polices since 2014. What the fuck is the matter with you? the end of religious based terrorism supported by the federal government Like what? When Biden was the biggest cheerleader for the illegal war in Iraq and loudly shamed other Democrats for not agreeing with him, would you consider that terrorism? I’m sure the thousand killed in Iraq would sure think so. health care for everyone, not just the people that are lucky enough to be… Read more »

    tiki god

    you’re almost self aware, just another step or two and you’ll get there. to recap though, you said those weren’t policy positions, but now they are?

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    songofsickness

    Whatever point you’re trying to make here… it seems lost to everyone but you. Maybe you ought to be asking if everyone else is really the one with the problem.

    Last edited 1 month ago by songofsickness
    Old Tofu

    www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families/ there are huge differences in policy and execution.