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    wrong. that is nazi germany. classical germany would be the germany of beethoven.

    Chet Manley

    Germany didn’t exist then, Beethoven was from Cologne.




    Beethoven was born in the city of Bonn in 1770. Germany was then known as Prussia but in 1815 Prussia and Austria became the German Confederation.


    Of course, that brings up the old cannard–when was the modern nation state invented?

    Chet Manley

    Germany wasn’t united until the aftermath of the Franco-Prussian war in 1871, when it became the German Empire. The Republic of Germany didn’t exist until a day before the end of the Great War when the Kaiser abdicated, automatically making it a Republic.

    tl;dr France done goofed.


    Well, there was a little more to the later German Confederation than Prussia and Austria. 37 other states, for example.


    Caesar called the people from that region Germans.
    They spoke the Germanic language.
    And they called themselves the Deutsch (you know…like Deutschland…?)

    So despite whatever king claimed the region at the time, the people considered themselves German.

    Beethoven would have certainly considered himself Deutsch (you know…German).

    Hope that clears things up….

    Chet Manley

    Austrians are also German, but it would be correct to say Mozart is from Austria, not Germany.


    Beethoven was German ethnically, even though his grandfather was Flemish.

    Beethoven was not German politically since “Germany” as a country did not exist at the time (Holy Roman Empire, yes; Germany, no). Politically… he was born Kölnisch, part of the Holy Roman Empire. I believe he left for Austria in his early 20’s, so he would have missed the French occupation and the transfer of Bonn to Prussia. Since he spent most of his life in Austria. I would say that politically he was Austrian, at least at the time of his death.


    This looks like the Königsplatz in München.

    If you are ever near Munich – this is a cool place to visit. I stood there for 15 minutes trying to figure out why it was so familiar.