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    tacos

    This is about the only time I have ever seen someone against guns correctly use statistics that are in fact in their favor without having to skew them, lie or rely on heavy bias. The one thing I can’t stand is people saying how countries that have banned guns have declined in homicides by method of firearm (AKA “gun violence”). This actually is true, but mass murders do not cease and homicide rate never decreases while assaults always increase (look up Australia for one). In any case the whole argument of % of guns vs % of crime (of any… Read more »

    absent

    furthermore it only goes on the books if the murderer is caught, tried and convicted

    This is wrong, please provide a citation.

    Moddy Cassem

    And so…

    Fen

    If he’s talking about the Euro, then yes, he’s correct: they do not count gun homicides as “murder” unless there is a conviction.

    Rotatebilly

    Actually your point about Australia is pretty incorrect; Australia hasn’t had a mass shooting since the port Arthur Massacre in 1996 (in which 35 people were killed), this was the shooting that prompted Australia to tighten gun restrictions.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

    I’d also like to point out that the homicide rate in Australia has shown a gradual decrease.
    www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/341-360/tandi359/view%20paper.html

    Furthermore, you should also note that even though Australia has higher rates of sexual assault and assault than the US, “Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevelence.”
    www.nationmaster.com/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime

    tacos

    “Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise.”

    www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/95ap25.htm

    Australia: Quaker’s Hill Nursing Home Fire, Childer’s Palace Fire. People still find a way to kill each other.

    anon

    If you are going to quote something quote all of it in context; 35. Homicide statistics too vary widely. In some developing countries, the statistics are known to be far from complete. Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent. The adjustment is made… Read more »

    absent

    And that is the difference between your American definitions of homicide and manslaughter. The statistic of any type of death by firearm is a whole other area.

    MarauderDeuce

    Now I’ve no way of proving this but I think the key for gun suicide is the belief that it results in (near) instant death. The appeal of guns for this is obvious.
    (Yes – I know it often doesn’t work that way but that is the perception.)

    absent

    Also Switzerland was useful to the Nazi’s during WW2. It’s where the top brass went on holiday, it’s where building materials/arms were dispersed through, and of course it’s where they stashed their loot away from the eyes of the general public.

    Not to mention Switzerland has very difficult terrain and the bridges/tunnels were (and still are) rigged to blow up in case of invasion to protect all the stashed booty.

    storminator

    That’s funny. A right wing Texican nut job friend of mine posted the same thing. I had a similar arguement. What happend in Switzerland has no bearing on things in the USA.

    EuroUSA

    The writer is damn near close to the truth but one eye-opening portion that he omits is just as devastating, especially to those that look to Switzerland as some type of example of gun-panacea, it’s the fact to what’s taking place there today. Ironically of all nations here in Europe, Switzerland is the only one now beginning to have some of the very same devastating results and incidents’ of gun violence and suicides as those taking place in America, suicide being the worst. Here’s a little known fact that I’m positive is never brought up at your local NRA meetings:… Read more »

    Grendel

    In America, the suicide rate is much higher in gun owning homes than homes without firearms.
    Not sure why, but it may have something to do with the fact that it requires very little preparation to kill yourself with a gun….no time for second thoughts….

    MarauderDeuce

    Now I’ve no way of proving this but I think the key for gun suicide is the belief that it results in (near) instant death. The appeal of guns for this is obvious.
    (Yes – I know it often doesn’t work that way but that is the perception.)

    sup?

    monaco. extremely restrictive gun laws. no murders since 2006. no gun related murders since 2004. sup brah?
    www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/monaco

    If you’re afraid of guns and live in America then move.
    Everywhere else they’re restricted. So go ANYWHERE else you want. Serious anywhere.
    Why stay where you’re miserable?

    Nelson

    I said the same thing to a guy from Syria the other day Magnus, he looked at me like that was an unhelpful dick comment.

    Nelson

    And don’t even ask what the woman from the UAE said to me when I told her “If you don’t like covering your shoulders then you can git out!”

    Nurgen

    “If you don’t like X then get out” is an utterly useless attitude. Firstly, because there isn’t a wonderland where everything is exactly to everyone’s liking, and secondly because it’s an attitude that basically denies that there is a problem that needs fixing.

    skanderbeg

    From John Lott: Switzerland has a very relaxed concealed carry law. Half the cantons in the country, you don’t need a license, you just carry it. The other half, very easy to get a license.They’ve had three big multiple-victim public shootings in the last 12 years. All three of those are in the very few buildings where guns aren’t allowed in Switzerland.

    Fen

    Media Matters? Left-wing shill group of hacks.

    s

    fine. John Lott? fox news contributer. Right-wing group of fucktards that don’t now how to use statistics. or basic greater than or less than concepts.

    Fen

    David B. Mustard also co-authored the study, and he’s very liberal. I didn’t check to see that he’s 7 degrees removed from FOX News, but I’m sure you’ll find an excuse to keep your head in the sand.

    s

    (it wouldn’t let me reply to the new one)
    well as of now my objection would be to your reluctance to actually post your source, whenever I searched your quote all that really came up was an interview with lott that did not have David in it. And this webpage.

    Aquaman43

    i dont know about any of that, but i just squeezed the creme filling out of a doughnut, and used it as DIP for a jelly doughnut…whew.

    derek

    I love how everyone misses the point that Switzerland is not only showing that restricting “the gun” isn’t the answer, but no one pays attention that their policies have worked.

    eyeroll

    The only ammunition in Switzerland that is tightly controlled is the ammunition (formerly) supplied by the government to members of the militia. Ammunition is not controlled by the government; it is sold commercially. It is controlled only in the sense that you have to sign your name in a register when you by ammunition. In an age of internet search engines, there is no excuse for flat-out lying.

    ~

    fuckin a right man
    only facts obtained through a public library dewey decimal card lookup and hand delivered hard copy can qualify as truthful

    bobo

    la la la.. dumb fucking liberals, go die in a fucking north korean labor camp.. la la la .. molon labe you worthless pieces of shit