that is not love, that is abuse

that is not love, that is abuse


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    Wetwrks

    Once again the athiests get it all wrong. It isn’t the questioning God that gets the punishment. It isn’t even the doing wrong. It is refusing to accept that God is real and that he died for your sins that gets you sent to hell.

    Enemyofthecause

    What I love about this impassioned plea is that you don’t refute the key problem that the poster is pointing out (i.e. loving Deity who has set up a way for you to be tortured forever), just the WAY that you will be tortured forever.

    So the poster should actually read “I love you, but if you don’t accept that I exist despite any demonstrable proof, if you formulate any ideas that weren’t coneived of two millenia ago, I will torture you forever in waysyou can’t imagine.”

    If it read that, aces. Did I get it wrong?

    HoChunk

    If God gave us the capacity for Original Sin, Then any disbelief in Him is kinda His fault, isn’t it?

    madmartigan

    pretty lame statement lol

    Hector

    Well, to be honest, the Abrahamics make for some pretty lame religions.

    notspamming

    ? Baby don’t hurt me. Don’t hurt me no more. ?

    dallasalice

    Sort of out of the blue I suppose, but I wonder what the atheists here think of the whole free speech argument over the Islam-insulting film that allegedly, but actually did not, set off the embassy attacks overseas. The head of the UN said that he believed in free speech except in causing hurt and insult to others, and the LA Times, and several high-profile folks in entertainment and politics have said the film-maker needs to be punished for insulting Islam – well, inflaming things anyway, making the “crying fire in a theater” argument. There are even calls for international… Read more »

    Korinthian

    I’ll take a shot at answering some of that:

    Streisand Effect.

    dallasalice

    Oh yes, the more you try to ban speech the more if flowers, but that so far that has really only applied to the calls for free speech restrictions. No one, in the USA anyway, has passed laws restricting free speech against religion. Or kowtowed to foreign laws doing so. My question, though was I assume you are at least a little concerned that our current government, and indeed many of those who usually champion free speech, seem to be placing Islam in a special category. And since the only way that really sells is to ban all trash talk… Read more »

    dallasalice

    My concern is we are moving towards actual laws against insulting religion. And if that happens you might as well say goodbye to free speech totally.

    crewmanguy

    Free speech should be defended, even if we don’t agree with what is being said.

    insanonaut

    The Crusades.

    notspamming

    “…I wonder what the atheists here think of the whole free speech…” Well, I’m no atheist but… If that speech is just trolling for the sake of trolling, pissing others of, etc., then it’s not speech, so… “I mean you’re never gonna see Christians attacking embassies or calling for the arrest of atheists when they “attack” Jesus or Christianity.” They had their “5 minutes” of “fun and games” in them Middle Ages. Islam is +/- 600 years “behind” them, hence “the fun and games” now. “…you are safe…” Nope. People who “believe” instead of thinking, aren’t close to safe, vide… Read more »

    Korinthian

    “If that speech is just trolling for the sake of trolling, pissing others of, etc., then it’s not speech, so…”

    You’re wrong: That’s when free speech is the most important.

    notspamming

    Trolling for the sake of trolling isn’t speech, it’s a way of acting out, dealing with ones problems, insecurities, etc.
    To use rather simplistic comparison – trolling for the sake of trolling is speech, in the same way hiring, and using a prostitute is making love.
    Speaking != speech, and the bastardized version some trolls use, can’t be even classified as speaking.

    Korinthian

    Yeah, you’re still wrong. Just because you dislike certain ways of communicating doesn’t disqualify them.

    It doesn’t matter why you say something offensive, it’s still free speech. And like I’ve already said: especially when you say something offensive.

    notspamming

    1. That depends on your definition of speech. 2. I’m all for discussion with unconformable, painful truth, occasional vulgarism, telling jokes about blacks, Jews, etc., etc., but troling for the sake of trolling isn’t a discussion is just that – trolling for the sake of trolling. 3. As there are limits to personal freedoms, like you can’t (or at least shouldn’t) just waltz into somebody’s home, fuck their , kick the , and loot the ), people should know limits to their free speech. Note that I didn’t say that freedom of speech should be limited, or regulated by some… Read more »

    Korinthian

    I don’t think anyone includes battery and trespassing in free speech.

    Anyways, you can’t censor something because of the intent behind what is being said. Why? Because you can’t police that.

    Let’s leave the thought crimes to religion and sci-fi.

    Hector

    +1

    Luke Magnifico

    …what

    Hector

    Fuck myths.

    Free speech. *Always* and *forever*.

    Stolid

    I’d just go to /b/ where you can say and do almost anything.

    Hector

    You might as well make it a crime to insult Buggs Bunny while you’re at it. There’s more evidence for *his* existence, after all.

    100110110110010

    What I think is funny about christians is, they HATE muslims. But when they see muslims killing people over religion, they would LOVE to be able to do that. They’re the 13 year-old looking at the misbehaving 5 year-old acting out, saying “Mikey did it, why can’t I do it??”

    no

    From an atheist: free speech good, crazy people bad. Those zealots would be zealots about anything, they just have religion and have been coerced to be this way. They could of been coerced into this because the stay puff marshmallow man was melted by egon for their sins.

    You don’t get to be tip toed around because you are crazy, we get you help and pop-sickles that you are not allowed to run around while eating.

    outlanderssc

    It could be noted that there are numerous religions that don’t believe in eternal suffering for sinfulness.

    In fact, it doesn’t even exist in the Bible. According to Revelations after you die you wait for judgement and the “book of life” will be opened to you and God’s plan revealed – if you then reject God you are cast into the lake of fire and destroyed, no eternal suffering.

    So eternal suffering is not really a solid argument for Atheism.

    bstaples

    No, let’s not note that. It’s easier to make sharable pictures on the internet if we use concepts not found in the bible or if we grossly deform/over-simplify content.

    Korinthian

    It’s easier to live with our religion if we use concepts not found in the bible or if we grossly deform/over-simplify content.

    -

    I’d rather get cast into a lake of fire than read your boring ass bullshit.

    outlanderssc

    Then either don’t read my posts or cast yourself into a lake of fire, either is fine by me.

    But if you do the fire thing, have someone post pics.

    HAPPY POOP

    BIG DICKS UP THE BUTT. I AM BACK TO RULE YOU ALL SHUT UP IM FAMOUS IM WOOPIE GOLDBURG I WILL DESTROY YOU ALL YOU WILL FEAR ME AND BOW TO ME. NOW STICK YOUR FINGERS UP YOUR BUTTHOLE AND THEN SUCK THEM ALL DAY LONG, YES YES THIS MAKES HAPPY INDIAN TOILET HAPPY. THEN GO TO PUBLIC REST ROOMS AT THE MOVIES AND GO INTO RANDOM BATHROOMS TO EAT PEOPLES POOP FROM TOILETS WHO DIDN’T FLUSH. AND THEN BEG FOR PEOPLES POOP OUTSIDE. DO IT I DEMAND YOU TO. I AM THE KING OF YOU ALL KING WOOPIE GOLDBURG,… Read more »

    HAPPY POOP

    I wonder what the atheists here think of the whole free speech…” Well, I’m no atheist but… If that speeSort of out of the blue I suppose, but I wonder what the atheists here think of the whole free speech argument over the Islam-insulting film that allegedly, but actually did not, set off the embassy attacks overseas. The head of the UN said that he believed in free speech except in causing hurt and insult to others, and the LA Times, and several high-profile folks in entertainment and politics have said the film-maker needs to be punished for insulting Islam… Read more »

    HAPPY POOP

    Once again the athiests get it all wrong. It isn’t the questioning God that gets the punishment. It isn’t even the doing wrong. It is refusing to accept that God is real and that he died for your sins that gets you sent to hell. Reply (UID# ) Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 7 2 September 20, 2012 at 9:56 am What I love about this impassioned plea is that you don’t refute the key problem that the poster is pointing out (i.e. loving Deity who has set up a way for you to be tortured forever), just the WAY that… Read more »