Gracie Ju-Jitsu

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    It’d would be sweet to train under these guys. I’ve taken several years of BJJ on and off and its fun, but I’m more of a striking guy. Krav Maga is more suited to me, but BJJ is alright too.


    Aren’t you on the west coast? Cesar Gracie trains people out there.

    He’s actually really good at integrating the Beej with striking, so it’s probably right up your alley. In general he has a pretty good handle on integrating BJJ into the larger scheme of things.


    Cool picture, but I find it funny when BJJ guys try to teach throws. Yes, BJJ is derived form Judo, but they’ve lost a lot of knowledge through their training practices. Uke is going to break his elbow if he keeps doing ukemi like that. Or his neck.


    Maybe, but he would need to do that quick to make that happen. He’d be better off getting the form right in the first place. Besides, in my experience BJJ guys tend to have horrible Ukemi, mostly because they don’t devote enough time to get good at it.

    Wait a minute, did we just switch roles? I’m attacking BJJ and you’re defending it. What the fuck, dude?

    Throws are entirely situational for me. If there’s an opportunity, I use the, but if not I don’t. It’s all about debana.


    BJJ guys usually comprise a mountain of suck and fail when it come to takedowns in general. It’s a weakness that comes from their over-specialized training.

    In an average class there are usually one or two guys that know how to get someone of their feet , and those are the people who have training in something besides BJJ. The rest want to pull guard and buttscoot.

    BJJ, in my opinion, is one of those thing where you have to take the good with the bad. They’re very good at what they do, but they’re incompetent in all other areas.

    Honestly it’s best as a supplementary martial art, not a primary one. There was a time in the 90’s when nobody knew BJJ and the Gracies could kick everyone’s asses, but now the big secret is out and it’s not the same. Don’t tell pure BJJ guys that or they’ll shit their pants.


    Keep in mind the BJJ guy could gouge your eyes too, but otherwise you have a point.

    The strength of BJJ is its emphasis on positional control on the ground. The point is to be in the best position to attack, whether your striking, submitting, or something else. But you probably already know this.

    The problem with the vital striking that people often advocate against BJJ is it’s a crapshoot. You could catch him offguard and escape, or you could just piss him off and earn a bigger asskicking.

    It’s not wise to pretend such attacks are the silver bullet for beating a grappler. But they’re not entirely ineffective as the other camp tries to pretend. It’s all situational.

    I think the real question in a fight involving BJJ is whether or not you have a smart BJJ guy.


    I think this illustrates my point. There are eye gouge attempts at about :27 and :34 seconds, to no avail.

    Startlingly, it wasn’t really the eye gouge attempts that failed. It was the Karate guy’s lack of understanding of BJJ. He was attacking from a bad position the whole time and gave up positions to the Beejer.

    Also, the bjj guy has a crap takedown that only works because of the karate guy rushes forward like a douche.

    Honestly I think the fight could have went the other way with a few adjustments. In a different situation, with a different approach, the eye gouges might have worked.


    That isn’t the greatest fight ever, but it does illustrate my point.

    BTW, what’s a “chaotic real street fight”?


    I see the discussion is going in THAT direction.

    I like you, puulaahi, but it’s clear we’ll never see eye to eye on everything.

    There is only one solution. We must fight to the death.

    What background would you prefer to fight on? I like the bridge over the pit of spikes, but I would also accept the convenience store with random cheering Japanese onlookers and the old guy who rides by on a bike at regular intervals.




    the gracies are a brand name for bullshit. gracie this, gracie that, theyre a fucking joke. claiming they thought of some shit by themselves then fighting people on the street (who have no clue how to fight) to get credit. bravo.


    The Gracies can be a gang of self-aggrandizing twats, I’ll give you that, and everything they do is just specialization in old style Judo groundfighting.

    But to give credit where it’s due, they did preserve an aspect of Judo that was almost lost. I started Judo in the 80’s when I was a young man, and I only learned rudimentary newaza(Judo ground fighting).

    Before WWII, in judo there was maybe a 50/50 emphasis on groundfighting and standup techniques. After Judo became an Olympic sport the emphasis shifted towards throwing techniques and a lot was lost.

    The gracies helped preserve what was almost lost, love em or hate em.

    If it makes you feel better, the Gracies are pretty much getting overshadowed in their own sport now. They’ll be irrelevant in 10 to 20 years or so.


    Pretty much every MA in history was developed by take little bits of different styles and mixing them together.

    Hell, by this definition Aikido is MMA.

    And to tell the truth, every MA has some icon that’s is slavishly worshiped.


    pankration = mma
    pankration = was around 3000 years ago in ancient greece


    Not surprising. Ancient Greece invented everything.

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