Can’t Marry, Can’t Divorce

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    j_bryon

    FAIL logic, majority rules. Get over it.

    dieAntagonista

    And disagreeing with gay marriage because of your personal religious beliefs but not divorce even though the latter is wrong according to your religion too is logical? Please.

    Or maybe it was about time to not let the majority decide how minorities should live their lives any more.

    Reaver

    woahwoahwoah he never said anything about religious beliefs. How do you know what his religious beliefs are. :3 (Psychic Powers?)

    dieAntagonista

    Because his UID is #112, I’ve spoken to him before and I know he’s religious.

    j_bryon

    You are correct.

    nyoki

    You see his UID?

    Tyger42

    Because, moron, the only arguments against gay marriage are based out of religious bullshit.

    dieAntagonista

    There are two people on this very site, that aren’t religious and aren’t in favour of gay people or gay rights. Homophobia is not enough to tell if one is religious so he could have been right. Which is why I always say I’d rather have a liberal Christian than a far right wing atheist.

    Tyger42

    And, yet, they still don’t have any arguments to support their view that don’t boil down to religious arguments. There’s absolutely no other reason to give two shits whether or not gay people get married.

    dieAntagonista

    Well yeah they do. Please don’t make me repeat them, they’re just as bigoted as the religious argument but they are in fact not related to religion.

    Far right wing atheists are not very common, but I’ve noticed that many people who would be bigoted if they were religious, just find something else to “worship.” Like their country. So for those people it may be a side effect of wanting to fit in with the rest of the far right bunch who are religious. Anyway just search MCS for threads on homosexuality and you’ll see what I mean. I think it’s important to not assume things about people in discussions, however unlikely an alternative is. That’s the kind of thought pattern that you would expect from those who can’t support their arguments with scientific facts alone.

    Darkhell

    Tyger42

    Not true, I think its yukky.

    Korinthian

    So why then, would you care if they get married, but not about civil unions?

    Your Christian rhetoric gives you away.

    Tyger42

    And I think the idea of trailer trash marrying and breeding is yucky. That’s no reason to outlaw it. Give me a valid argument against gay marriage that doesn’t come back to religion. “It’s yucky” isn’t a valid argument.

    Darkhell

    Yeah, you have no idea the things I seen packed into mini skirts at my bar in SC.

    People don’t like different, and it takes a little while for it to sink in for most. Just like any other kind of hate, it takes awhile to go away.

    Just like any other rights group im sure in the end they will be fighting not for equal but for more rights.

    j_bryon

    The only reason the majority was given the opportunity to decide was to see if the gays should be given the same “legal” rights.

    outlanderssc

    Constitutional fail – majority does not rule in cases of basic human rights. “All men are created equal” does not mean “men like us only”

    Twosixteen

    I could advance a cogent argument but in the service of brevity I’ll just simply say “fuck you, asshole”.

    billcar50

    Please tell me that was in an Arnie voice?

    fracked again

    Majority rules, minorities protected against abuse from majority.

    Comraduderrisch

    I love the deliciously palpable irony in the fact that same argument is used by so many who describe themselves as constitutionalists or people who follow it word for word. The same people who whine and bitch that democracy is being sabotaged when the judicial branch actually does one of the jobs it’s meant to do when it keeps from becoming law the opinion of a supposed majority concerning minority rights. Something that should never have been and never should be up for a public referendum in the first place.

    Kishi

    So you’d also support racial segregation in the south?

    Lemurian

    Actually the majority does rule, but only at the price that it is not allowed to tyrannize the minority, get over it.

    Korinthian

    Do you not grasp the concept of a constitution? I guess not.

    Tyger42

    As was said during the civil rights movement in the 60s, majority rule, but minority rights.

    j_bryon

    For those interested I’m not homophobic. I do believe homosexuality is wrong but I don’t look down on any gay person. I hate the sin but not the person. My best friend is gay and I wish he wasn’t but that’s where I leave it. Am I religious? Yes, but I don’t follow any one specific denomination (Catholic, Baptist, Luthern, etc.)but I base all my beliefs on the Bible and I go to a church that teaches from the Bible. If someone asks me what I believe I tell them and I invite people to attend my church but I don’t go around “bible thumping” and I never push my beliefs on others.
    If the Bible says it’s wrong then it is therefore homosexuality is wrong but masturbation is NOT wrong (and it is not adultery). Being drunk is wrong but drinking is not. Wild, crazy sex is NOT wrong but having sex outside of marriage is(even though I have done it. Divorce is wrong, too.

    PatientZed

    Dude, if homosexuality exists it’s because God wishes it so. Otherwise you’re implying that there is another force, equal or superior to God, which can dictate reality.

    Darkhell

    The logic is their.

    j_bryon

    God gives people free will to choose to live the way they want. I could say that it’s the devil that influences people to sin but I feel it would be a complete waste of time.

    Korinthian

    Yeah, if you said that last part it would prove that you didn’t believe the first part. Either you believe in free will or don’t.

    dieAntagonista

    “My best friend is gay and I wish he wasn’t but that’s where I leave it.”

    No you’re not leaving it there. You’re voting against his rights or are in support of other people doing so. What kind of friendship is that?

    And ultimately what you’re saying is that you’re a sinner too. So, when does everyone else get to vote against your rights based on their personal religious beliefs? Why is the right to get divorced not up for debate?

    j_bryon

    If a majority group wants to get together and make an attempt against itself – so be it – because that’s what it would be doing. It’s been shown that the majority doesn’t approve of gay marriage, or more specifically, allowing gay couples the same legal rights as hetero couples.

    BTW- Call me a hypocrite but I voted democratic during the last election although I feel if there was an Independent I would have voted that way.

    tiki god

    I find this hilarious:

    “Am I religious? Yes, but I don’t follow any one specific denomination”

    and then you go and say :
    “but I base all my beliefs on the Bible and I go to a church that teaches from the Bible.”

    hate to break it to ya, but it sounds like you’re a christian.

    j_bryon

    I’m a Christian. I didn’t say I wasn’t.
    My point was that a true Christian only follows the Bible. Organized denominations, say the Catholic church, get it wrong by following a group of men placing their own everchanging opinions/beliefs, onto their followers.

    Korinthian

    Translation: “I’m a true Christian. I’ve got it right where a billion people got it wrong”.

    I guess you don’t believe that majority rules in all situations, eh?

    outlanderssc

    Note: US is NOT a Theocracy. What teh Bible says don’t mean squat.

    Alec Dalek

    He just keeps digging himself in deeper. Stupid fake Christian!

    Tyger42

    You realize the whole basis of “homosexuality is a sin” is misinterpretation of Bible verses, right?

    fracked again

    Sorry, you are homophobic. You can claim otherwise, but it doesn’t change this little detail… “I do believe homosexuality is wrong.”

    Nurgen

    Bullshit, you don’t base your beliefs on the bible, you base them on church dogma based on bad translations of the bible. For example you say that sex outside of marriage is wrong. Well, according to the bible, (sans bad translations) men can have sex with any woman they like, as long as she isn’t married to someone else. Women on the other hand are guilty of adultery if they have sex outside of marriage.

    Puulaahi

    Double standerds!!!!!

    Insanely Rational

    Stop the discrimination against gays! We must allow same-sex marriages!

    Stop the discrimination against poligamists! We must allow people to marry as many people as they want!

    Stop the discrimination against narcissists! We must allow people to marry themselves!

    Stop the discrimination against Apple Fanboys! We must allow people to marry their iPhones!

    Stop the discrimination against necrophiles! We must allow people to marry corpses!

    Stop the discrimination against Republicans! We must allow people to marry corporations!

    Stop the discrimination against Democrats! We must allow people to marry other people’s money!

    Stop the discrimination against rednecks! We must allow people to marry their pick-up trucks!

    Stop the discrimination against southerners! We must allow men to marry their sisters and mothers (the same person)!

    Stop the discrimination against philosophers! We must allow people to marry abstract concepts!

    Stop the discrimination against Linux users! We must allow people to marry inflatable dolls and Fleshlights!

    Stop the discrimination against Twilight fans! We must allow people to marry fictional characters!

    Stop the discrimination against WoW players! We must allow people to marry their avatars!

    Stop the discrimination against Catholic priests! We must allow people to marry… oh, wait no. Screw the goddamn Catholic priests.

    Anyway, who are YOU to define what is real love and what isn’t, eh? Who are YOU to say that a man’s love for his own hand cannot possibly compare to a man’s love for his wife? A man’s hand NEVER LETS HIM DOWN! IT NEVER SAYS NO!!! IT NEVER HAS A HEADACHE!!! IT NEVER COMPLAINS THAT YOU DON’T TALK TO IT ANYMORE!!! Let’s see if you can say the same about your wife! If you don’t allow people to marry their own hands, it obviously means you’re a handophobic bigot!!!!

    (Double standards indeed…)

    Maxwell Edison

    Read this. It’ll help.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

    Reaver

    haha you make that up all by yourself did you? I gotta say some of those are pretty funny.

    Comraduderrisch

    Except if you take into account the concept of consent which a lot of people seem to overlook when they pile on the hyperbole.

    Korinthian

    This guy is proof that religion clogs your brain.

    Darkhell

    My favorite post.

    PatientZed

    Actually, who cares mate? Let people marry their trucks. What do I care? Jesus fucking Christ.

    outlanderssc

    Slippery slope argument = major fail.

    Marriage is a legal contract, you can’t enter into legal contracts with inanimate objects.

    Luke Magnifico

    OH SNAP

    DMYTRIW WDS

    Well fuck you. I was on your side, but now since you’re telling me how to live my life you’re no better than the homophobic bigots.

    Korinthian

    Change-sides-over-bumper-sticker win!

    Darkhell

    bumper stickers can change the world, don’t underestimate them.

    bstaples

    I’m actually for this. Can’t really talk about sanctity while you divorce because of disenchantment.

    dieAntagonista

    That right there

    is consistency.

    jediadept

    Everything else aside, who said any group could co-opt the rainbow?

    Puulaahi

    This is so clear, how can you all miss this: DOUBLE RAINBOW, OMG!

    Korinthian

    This is what happens when you let Christians vote for things they do not have the right to vote for in the first place. Other people get their rights taken away.

    Darkhell

    Ever seen a map of Christian followers? Thats a pretty big chunk of people to ignore.

    Same sex marriage is one of last things we need to stop them from fucking up.

    PatientZed

    If you’re an adult and you fanatically follow your invisibly sky wizard imaginary friend and use it to justify treating others as subhumans, you shouldn’t be ignored. You should be institutionalised.

    P41N90D

    They should get over it and move to Europe already, 50% give or take doesnt want m in the US anyways

    nyoki

    Let the other 50% move. I’m stayin’ put.

    Paul_Is_Drunk

    Well,

    1) Only 28% of people in the U.S. believe gays shouldn’t have legal rights akin to marriage.

    2) It’s not better here in Europe.

    But, y’know, if you want to go on and keep making up shit in your head, and then telling it to other people like it’s reality, go ahead. Unfortunately, reality will disagree with you. It’s tenacious like that.

    P41N90D

    Prolly cuz same sex marrige is forbidden pretty much everywhere in the states ? So if only 28% is against that then why aint it allowed

    Darkhell

    28% of the people speak out. Others don’t like to seem to be a bigot.

    Darkhell

    50% don’t want them in the US? Where did that number come from? Not like they crossed the border or anything. I think they need to keep their shit in private.

    I don’t want to hear a man talk about giving blowjobs just like I don’t want a farmer talking about helping a sheep through the fence

    P41N90D

    I agree but what its the reason why same sex marrige is forbidden, cuz of religion or just that the majority voted against it

    Sticky

    I’m shocked KumguzzlarKvC isn’t here yet.

    fracked again

    Haven’t seen him in a bit.

    Puulaahi

    We threw his ass in an oven.

    ziggr

    Thank you for imposing your sharia law.

    Don’t rest on your laurels. Carry your marriage-defending momentum and get to work outlawing divorce. Extra credit if you can outlaw inter-faith and inter-racial marriage!

    Darkhell

    Marriage was made for a man and a woman. If not marriage their should be a higher union for gays.

    I agree with the bumper sticker divorce cost too much +1 for spouse murder.

    Korinthian

    Perhaps you don’t realize that marriage wasn’t invented by, or depends on, religion. Heck, Christianity didn’t jump on the whole marriage thing until 1400 years after the alleged death of Jesus.

    Actually, if you check the bible there are plenty of instances where marriage is between one man and several women, or one woman and one rapist.

    PatientZed

    How about we just end marriage altogether and create civil unions for everyone? If you want to throw a party at your favorite church, go right ahead, but keep your fantasies off my legislative system, thank you very much.

    fracked again

    Exactly.

    nyoki

    ^^This.

    Den

    This is along the same vein as my personal belief. Gay couples pay taxes just like the straight ones. Marriage is first and foremost a CIVIL and LEGAL matter. Most, if not all (I could be wrong, and it is highly likely that I am) pastors, priests, and other religious officials with the power to legally marry people require a marriage license before they will even begin planning out the ceremony. So why deny tax-paying, consenting, ADULT citizens who just happen to like the same sex the right to wed?

    Maxwell Edison

    75TH!!!

    Erin

    If not letting gay folk get married is ‘up there’ on your list of important shit, you’re might be a bit sheltered.
    Lol, go watch some gay porn and stroke the frustration out.

    Alec Dalek

    Exactly!

    danielle

    wait, if homosexuality is outlawed by the bible, how is heterosexual masturbation not?

    yeah, that.

    or if it really is, then you’re an orthodox Jew, and the list of ‘wrong things’ is really long. but lesbian relationships are perfectly ok, because the Torah never said they weren’t.

    ridiculous, all of it.

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