us soldier deaths in 2009


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    Puulaahi

    War is hell and so is being a US Soldier apparently.

    Sorry you can’t go home we want you to do 4 more tours. kthanksbye.

    America Fuck Yeah!

    The Matrix: Rebooted

    America is better than the rest of the world at everything. Including killing US soldiers.

    Alec Dalek

    And sucking.

    Korinthian

    And being science illiterate.

    Darkhell

    Well you learn something new everyday. If people would think before they join the military this might be avoided, the money and them paying for college has its downsides. But my sister-in-law is in the army been over seas 2 times.

    Alot of the suicides is relationship related.

    tiki god
    nyoki

    Fucking saved!

    P41N90D

    If they cant handle war or any other possible situation a soldier MIGHT be in, dont sign up ffs

    Korinthian

    There goes 99% of the army.

    P41N90D

    Soooo 1% signs up to serve their country ? How patriotic

    MarauderDeuce

    If you can’t handle it don’t sign up?

    Honestly how many of us would know if we could handle it before hand? I have no idea how I’d react and I only know of one person here (at MCS) who I know has been to war since he posted the photos of his injuries.

    I think you’re being unfair.

    nyoki

    ^^This. Many of the sign-ups are young, unemployed and under-educated. They think they know what they’re getting into, but they don’t, not really. Since the end of the draft, joining the military has been a really good way for people to get xp and money for college, w/o which college would be impossible. Hubby’s service got him a free college education and allowed us to buy our house. Technically he was part of the Vietnam era, though he saw no action. The closest he came was when he was sent to Turkey during the Iran hostage incident. He was responsible… Read more »

    sutenvulf

    To credit our military instructors, many of them are experienced and extremely knowledgeable. They pass on what they know but in the end its like any solid battle plan, worthless. Everything goes right up until the first bullet is fired and the IED’s light up your world.

    There are processes in place for those who sign up for combat MOS’ to endure very rigorous physical and psychological training to even pass or remain in many of the MOS’. Up’s and downs to this and I could argue all day left and right but I’z tired.

    natedog

    i need some sauce on these statistics before i lend them any credence. not saying it’s wrong, just saying i am not taking the wall’s word for it

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    I was just gonna say: 90,478 US soldiers helped Santa Claus cure cancerAIDS. Its fun to make things up huh?

    wookie_x

    I don’t know how accurate it is, but I do know that the increased suicide rate is of major concern to the military brass.

    The Matrix: Rebooted

    The overall US suicide rate is 11 out of 100,000 per year. The US military has about 3 million active and reserve personal, so 300 suicides per year is perfectly normal compared to the civilian population.

    tiki god

    www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123185434

    “The suicide rate in all four services was higher than the national average, with 52 Marines and 48 Sailors taking their own lives in 2009, according to the individual services’ annual reports. As of November, 147 Soldiers had fallen to suicide. The final 2009 figures for the Army are expected to be released Jan. 14. Air Force officials reported 41 active-duty suicides, a 12.5 per 100,000 ratio, in 2009. “

    The Matrix: Rebooted

    If the USAF rate is 12.5 and the overall US rate is 11.1, that’s not that big of a difference. Also account for gender bias: the suicide rate for men is 17.7 per 100,000. So if we assume that military is still mostly men, then its actually much lower than the civilian suicide rate.
    Source:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

    Swedish dentists have the highest suicide rate in the world.

    Arguing these numbers is silly. It was the intention of the leftyfag who defaced public property with bullshit to deceive as many people as he could which seems to be the thing to do if you are a retarded left wing voting American.

    You’re right and the facts speak to that. But facts and reality have no place in arguments with people like that. Its best just to push them out of the way.

    bstaples

    Nice touch planting the interested, casual observer who now has her mind-opened, nay, blown.

    Korinthian

    I wonder how many of these were involved in torturing prisoners.

    Killing someone with a gun from a missile is one thing, but raping teenagers and waterboarding helpless people is probably worse.

    Well, unless the teenagers are hot, of course.

    natedog

    are you retarded?

    srsly? you think a guy who is gonna rape a chick is gonna feel bad about it later? or you think someone is going to be ordered to rape someone, and go through with it?

    Korinthian

    Look, I know ignorance gives some people a false sense of confidence. But if you don’t know much about a subject (like psychology, for instance) you should just crawl away and let the adults discuss matters like these.

    Go read about the Stanford prison experiment and the Milgram experiment, then come back here and apologize for being inferior to me.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    AHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHA The fucking Stanford prison experiment?!??!? HOLY SHIT YOU’RE A FAG!!!!!! Look little lady you don’t shit sweet motherfuck all about anything. If you think there is some ingrained resonant trauma from beating on someone you hate then all that shows is your pussy ass has never even been in a fight (getting stomped doesn’t count, fuckface). Besides despite the bogus rape claims there have been considerably less instances of rape by US soldiers than by Iraqs own people. So shut the fuck up. And waterboarding? Awww did you see that on the Daily Show and think its a big… Read more »

    Korinthian

    Let me help compress that to the relevant core of your reply:

    “Haha, I am amused!
    US soldiers rape less than Iraqis, that excuses their crimes.
    I think waterboarding is okay.
    I’m smart and know kung fu IRL.”

    You need to be more efficient when you write, then people will be able to dismiss your vacuous replies for what they are that much quicker.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    When you thought that up did you think you were being clever?

    I bet you did.

    Which is sad.

    Got any more irrelevant tidbits about bullshit that really has no significance to the topic?

    Maybe you should “school” me on grammar again since you seem to think you were somehow right about something before (which is fucking funny when you continue to make the same mistake)?

    Puulaahi is the martial arts enthusiast.

    I would just beat the shit out of you. This is reality, sweet pea.

    Korinthian

    Aaaand, when I compressed that reply I ended up with nothing.

    Pinkleton

    You really have a boner for hating on Korinthian, don’t ya?

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    He’s super annoying. And so easy to make fun of because he does half the work himself just by stating whats on his busted little brain.

    The Matrix: Rebooted

    “Go read about the Stanford prison experiment and the Milgram experiment”
    Let me guess: you just finished PSYCH 101? Those two experiment are most famous for showing next to nothing because they were so poorly done.

    Korinthian

    They show exactly what every Psychology 101 student knows: when you are under the influence of authority anyone can do horrible things.

    Do you refute that point or didn’t you want to add something to the discussion?

    The Matrix: Rebooted

    That’s not what the experiments show at all. Buy why should I argue with you when you’ve all but admitted to being stupid?

    Korinthian

    That’s what I thought: you don’t want to add anything.

    To your credit, though, it’s nice to see someone that’s not afraid to back out when they’re beaten.

    nyoki

    Are you serious? Can’t you just ask what he thinks these experiments did show, if anything?
    I’m aware of both experiments, but don’t really know any details. So I’ll ask what you wouldn’t. What, if anything, did these experiments show?

    Korinthian

    I asked him to refute the point. Do I really have to lead him by the hand? Back to the point of the thread, though: There’s been various experiments that show that people will act in horrible ways that they normally would never do, a few of these things is that when you’re under authority (or in a group), if you’re in uniform (or wearing a mask), or when you’ve bought into the dehumanization of the opposition (Scientologists is a good example of this). tl;dr: almost anyone can act like the nazis did during WW2 under the right conditions. Yes,… Read more »

    nyoki

    I had a whole spiel typed out and then mcs crashed. I’m not gonna retype everything, but the gist was…
    I wasn’t asking you, I was asking reboot.
    I know what both experiments purport to show.
    Reboot said they were badly set up experiments (which is obvious).
    I wanted to know if reboot thought they showed anything at all and, if so, what.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    You have the grammatical prowess of a mongoloid.

    I wonder how many times your mother sucked off some nigger with a fatty fetish before some spilled onto her gut and slid down into her gape to make you?

    Korinthian

    You’re not still sore about being schooled on comma use, are you?

    Alec Dalek

    Maggie just want’s attention.

    Puulaahi

    Yup

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    No I really find this idiot annoying.

    He’s like casemods sans the anyhting that makes casemods appealing to anyone.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    You keep saying that over and over.

    It looks like you’re the one out for attention.

    Say something worth while or go back to being a fat half wit faggot.

    fracked again

    Says the guy who obsesses over gays and hangs out at the gym.

    Silly ape.

    so_cali

    all of you guys are gay for this argument. a couple of you are funny gays at least.

    Korinthian

    Yeah, thanks for doing your part: bringing the funny to the discussion.

    ian356094

    Some people just can’t handle the awesomeness that is war.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    In Soviet Russia we call them fagnakovs.

    Zendu

    “Besides despite the bogus rape claims there have been considerably less instances of rape by US soldiers than by Iraqs own people.”
    Please tell me we have loftier goals than this.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    How is stating a fact a goal?

    Please tell me you were high or drunk when you wrote that.

    Korinthian

    It wasn’t as much stating a fact as making an excuse for rape.

    Are you a real person or just a construct made entirely out of extremes?

    Alec Dalek

    He’s just an angry troll. Ignore him and he goes away for a while.

    nyoki

    Question: Are these statistics for suicide for current active, in the arena servicemen or does it include those home, between tours, etc…?

    mossimo09

    The Army needs better training.