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    RSIxidor

    This web site does not seem to exist.

    Puulaahi

    That explains why mine have been failing. 🙁 All the girls I ever like have boyfriends already. FML.

    Lareon

    having a boyfriend doesn’t mean they can’t be yours…..trust me

    *watches his ex gf walk off with her new guy* 🙁

    elzarcothepale

    uh. . .so how ’bout that rationalism, huh?

    natedog

    god, this makes me rage. is it possible that someone can look at the universe and decide it was created?

    i dont go to church, but i beleive in god. i dont try to live my life in any “good” way, and i dont use the bible to determine how i should make my choices. the ten commandments dont keep me from killing or stealing or what have you. i’m just not a douchebag.

    my parents didnt make me go to church. and i don’t believe out of blind faith.

    tl;dr
    i has been troll’d

    wookie_x

    Yes, Nate, it is possible. For tens of thousands of years of years that’s exactly what people did. That was the origin of creationism. Having grown up in the time you did, in the place that you did, you’ve grown up in a culture that decided your religious default setting.

    natedog

    my culture did not decide my belief, dawkins.

    church people have a harder time with my beliefs than non-religious people. i was not forced to believe anything, and was allowed to come to my own conclusions based upon what i’ve experienced

    wookie_x

    You weren’t forced to believe anything and I never claimed you were. You have been raised in a predominantly judeo-christian society, and have developed a generic judeo-christian belief. It’s not surprising, it just is. The surprise would be if you developed a belief in Hinduism, or Buddhism, or Islam. But no, you were raised in the good ol’ USofA and you have a generic Protestant belief.

    natedog

    but if that were true, then why isnt everyone here protestant? and my beliefs are considered heresy by most “christians”, because i do not believe that the things we do (sins or good works) determine where the soul goes after death.

    i also don’t believe in Heaven. i think God will come live here on the earth in a physical body, instead of everyone going up in the clouds

    elzarcothepale

    kudos, though, on at least posting “Successful Troll Is Successful”
    rather than spending your whole life dedicated to preaching that Trolling is, in fact, a art.

    The Matrix: Rebooted

    I like the crack at Stalin at the end.

    titanzero

    science is a religion

    elzarcothepale

    apples are oranges.

    titanzero

    no their not…apples are apples and oranges are oranges. science is a religion…you can tell because people get really offended when you tell them that. its like when people who believe in religion say “its not religion its faith” “its not religion its science”. but its still something you either believe in and place your faith or its something you don’t believe in and do not place your faith. science is based on assumptions and requires one to believe one theory on top of another on top of another and so on is the answer. at each point along the… Read more »

    TGGeko

    Your wrong. Scientists don’t “have faith” in the theories they research. They believe that they might be true and then test that hypothesis. If it turns out that such theories are not true, they reject them. If they had faith then they would hold onto these theories and try to skew the data towards its favor. These would be bad scientists.

    The only “Dogma” that science has is that ideas should be tested, and ideas that don’t hold up to this are wrong. If so then everything is a religion and your argument is meaningless.

    titanzero

    scientists do have faith. I saw this lecture (cant find the video now) recently in which a scientist explained what he thought was around before the small quiet. He said, basically, that before the small quiet there was just a quantum field in flux. This quantum field is so random and complex that it was inevitable that physical mater would manifest. This assumption that this is the beginning, that this is the thing that simply exists to allow for the rest of reality is a point of faith. At some point the buck has to stop. At some point there… Read more »

    TGGeko

    If everything is a religion then saying anything is a religion doesn’t change anything IE is meaningless. The fact of the matter is that every human endeavor is based on assumptions. Assumptions that actions have causes; assumptions that the rules of the universe are consistent; and all the others. If you don’t question any assumption then you have faith. If you do question then seek answers you are a scientist. Incidentally, if you question all of these you are a philosopher. A belief structure is not a religion, however. A religion is closer to a BELIEF CULTURE. If religion is… Read more »

    fracked again

    Titan, did you miss the part in science class where they explained the definition of theory?

    titanzero

    lol sorry mr PhD I can’t help myself…its to easy to piss you scientists off lols

    elzarcothepale

    sigh.
    I understand the position you are taking.
    It is a poor position to argue.
    Why?
    Please look at the picture that started this thread.
    Those are the differences between the two.
    All of the things you are referencing are bad examples for this reason:
    The question marks at the end of those concepts and theories are constantly being pushed and tested. Even if a plausible explanation is found, scientists do their best to thwart it.
    Religion doesn’t ever investigate its question marks. C’mon, man. Seriously.

    titanzero

    you are right…religion (as in tradition Christian, Jewish, Hindism…) does not investigate its questions. This is why science is such a good religion for the times we live in. People dont question science they just question the questions with in it. thus people generally believe in science and dont have to worry about if the Savannah theory or the Aquatic theory is correct because they believe is the over all principle of science. i can’t be arsed with this any more tho and i will leave my unpopular comments at this. if you fail to see that science is a… Read more »

    WistfulD

    Way to cop out. you’re mighty brave while running away. Please try to come up with a rational argument that does more than reference these two arguments that you think validate your beliefs.

    titanzero

    …and religion is rational to those that believe it

    WistfulD

    That is the dumbest thing I’ve seen anyone post in a very long time.

    TGGeko

    Believing it is so doesn’t make something rational. It being logically consistent makes it rational. Also, itt being in line with reality makes it true.

    elzarcothepale

    sorry, that’s just not true.

    natedog

    how about this:

    science can be a religion to some people

    elzarcothepale

    I could quibble, but people are retarded, so I’ll agree just ’cause it’s you, bro.

    natedog

    😀

    titanzero

    lol…you are fast becoming my fav person here. and your comment is a sound reminder that people are free to think what ever they want, because, at the end of the day, no matter who says what, everybody will think what they want. i love posting on here when i’m drunk :S night peeps

    natedog

    Max Planck (google him if you dont know who he is) was once asked if science might be a substitute for religion. this was his response: “Not to a skeptical state of mind; for science demands also the believing spirit. Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words Ye Must Have Faith. It is a quality which the scientists cannot dispense with. The man who handles a bulk of results obtained from an experimental process must have an imaginative… Read more »

    natedog

    you’re totally missing Planck’s point.

    natedog

    also, “Every aspect of religion has been shown, over and over again, to be false”

    that’s a pretty broad brush you are using there.

    elzarcothepale

    Nyokki- you are right in point, but wrong in argument- like Nate said, your comment misses the point of Plank’s comment (unless I’m missing some context not included.) Science needs exactly the kind of Faith Planck talks about, as soon as it is removed from absolute mathematics Even math requires that we have faith that the universe isn’t a place of chaos (one that defies even 1+1=2) But that’s getting to the point of silliness in a discussion taking place in a world created from math. Religion is ridiculous, and many times dangerous, and at the best of times, right… Read more »

    Billyjimjobob

    Knowledge source: do some research and discover when and why the scientific method was created. (hint) It had to do with studying the first book of the Bible Correction method: review over thousands of years still no contradictions found. Primary selection method: if you’re accepting indoctrination, you’re not being taught Christian principles. Test the spirit hold fast to that which is true. Reasoning method: Logic and Faith, neither mutually exclusive. Verification method: Scientific method proving the multiple creation references written over many ages at different times in different places yet not a single contradiction or discrepancy. Authentication method: Thousands of… Read more »

    elzarcothepale

    derp derp