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    1. this does not look like a fred
    2. i am obviously missing something


    Fredericka? Is that even how you spell it?



    Luke Magnifico



    Is this supposed to be a GI Joe thing? Because unless you are an important character, you are not allowed to be a woman.


    Angel, never did watch the last 5 eps of that series.

    tiki god

    was fucking epic, and it left on a seriously epic cliff hanger that’s being resolved in the Angel comic book series.


    That’s not Fred, that’s Illyria.

    Here are my two favourite Illyria quotes;
    “I walked worlds of smoke, and half-truths, intangible. Worlds of torment and of unnameable beauty. Opaline towers as high as small moons. Glaciers that rippled with insensate lust. And one world with nothing but shrimp. I tired of that one quickly.”

    “Wesley’s dead. I’m feeling grief for him. I can’t seem to control it. I wish to do more violence.”

    and one for the road;
    “I will fight. I have been broken and humiliated. I will return in kind every blow, every sting. I will shred my adversaries, pull their eyes out just enough to turn them towards their mewling mutilated faces.”
    Wesley Wyndam-Pryce: “You’re a very inspirational person.”


    tl;dr this is a godess/deity/being who took over Freds (winnifreds)body. happened at the very end.
    Lackluster IMO.


    I agree. Plus Joss Whedon pulled the same trick that he did in Buffy — have the people with long standing romantic tension or previous relationship together/back together (Tara and Willow, Wesley and Winnifred) one episode before one of them dies. Screams of laziness on the writer’s part.

    Illyria also was a dumb implantation. Introduce her as an unstoppable goddess creature with bizarre powers, then remove them in the next episode and make her just another strong and hard to hurt character to use in action sequences (after they reintroduce Spike, and instead of doing anything important, he also becomes just more muscle for the final showdown).


    hated the turn the show took season 5, but loved the epicness of the last few episodes

    Illyria should have come earlier, given her more screen time.

    Winnifred (Or just ‘Fred’ on the show) was a great character


    Last episode was suck ass. “everything you know is a lie. We’ve been cutting deals with evildoers to try to minimize their damage to society, and we should have been killing them off, knowing full well that other evil will just take its’ place. All the big bads we’ve been dealing with this season are actually part of a secret society of evil, who are trying to recruit Angel, and his perceived turning towards evil was all a ploy to get an invite from them. Now we’re going to have a big battle where people’s relative power shift to match the story (Wesley gains magic power, but loses his guile and brilliance, Illyria gets stomped by firefly’s Jayne, but demolishes the demon who killed Wesley with one punch, Harmony loses all the goodness development she’s done during the season, etc. etc.). Really poor story crafting from someone who normally wrote better (although after seeing Dollhouse, maybe Joss has early onset dementia).


    couldn’t agree more. the last episode was a real let down.

    Amy Acker, on the other hand… pretty hot for a skinny girl.

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