I Don’t Believe in Global Warming


Yeah, me either.


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    slickrick
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    Neither do I it was snowing in December and it supposed to snow again this this week and get down in the low 20’s by tonight. Oh, and I’m in Houston (unheard of).

    tiki god
    Admin

    what your describing is exactly what global warming theories posit: that weather will change in drastic and unheard of and unexpected ways. storms like katrina becoming common place, odd temperature changes, and ranges of temperature changes being the norm.

    I remember a few months ago in oct/nov that it was in the 70s one day and nearly 100 the next, and then a day later back down to the 70s.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    Houston =/= global

    natedog
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    on friday it is supposed to be colder in Houston than it is in Antarctica

    www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6798661.html

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    That’s because its summer in the Southern Hemisphere. duh.

    Kandi
    Member

    Hah! xD

    WistfulD
    Member

    You do realize that that supports, not contra-indicates, the “global warming*” theory, right?

    *i.e. what scientist really call it, which is increases global weather variability due to a slow increase in overall average global temperature, which has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt, and the only arguable point is how much of it has been caused by human actions.

    dysan819
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    It’s not that I don’t believe in global warming, I am educated enough to know that climate change is a part of nature. Remember 10-20 years ago when everyone thought there was another ice age coming?

    ps. I also know that pollution = bad.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    “Remember 10-20 years ago when everyone thought there was another ice age coming?”
    Please provide two reputable, primary sources.

    dysan819
    Member

    Do you not know how to Google? Look it up yourself.

    BTW, it was the mid 1970’s not the 1980’s, so say 30 years ago.

    Paul_Is_Drunk
    Member

    The positive existential proclamation bears the burden of proof. This is why a prosecutor must prove a crime was committed and then who committed the crime. The logical default for the positive premise that a crime has been committed is not “yes” or even “maybe” but “no.” If I loudly proclaim that I have an invisible dragon in my garage, the logical default for the proposition, barring evidence, is “no.”

    So provide two reputable, primary sources.

    (Bonus points to anyone with the motivator). 😉

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    Paul makes a good point about burden of proof. But more directly, I did google. All the sources I found said you’re wrong. To quote wikipedia: “This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles, and a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s.”
    I was giving you a chance to show that you knew what you were talking about, but you’ve failed at that.

    fracked again
    Member

    Reboot is right. The 70s cooling meme was a media phenomenon.

    WistfulD
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    The real problem is that whenever you are not actually *in* an ice age, you are going into an ice age. If you look at the planet’s past, you see a cyclical pattern of slowly dropping in global temperatures for hundreds of thousands of years, eventually falling into the threshold of what scientists call and “ice age,” followed by a brief (tens of thousands of years, as opposed to the hundreds of thousands getting there) ice age, and then a rather rapid recovery, and then again followed by a slow drop into the next ice age. Note that none of… Read more »

    slickrick
    Member

    To quote a friend of mine, “Let me get this straight, part of global warming is cooling? What are you on?!” I so agreee with him, global warming is a scham.

    fracked again
    Member

    Your friend is an idiot, too then.

    WistfulD
    Member

    that is the dumbest thing you could have possibly said. A friend of yours is completely ignorant of all reasonable facts and logic surrounding this “debate*”, and you defer to his reasoning? Talk about not taking responsibility for your own political reasoning.

    *by which we mean the adults have all accepted reality, and the petty whiners have tried to drum up controversy where none exists.

    terwilligher
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    i want to believe in climate-gate, just so my irrational hatred of Al Gore is justified.

    WistfulD
    Member

    The guy is an egotistical megalomaniac. You don’t need to disbelieve global warming to not have a high opinion of the guy. Kinda like Richard Dawkins, even the people who call him an ally hold him at arm’s length.

    Nurgen
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    Nurgen

    What a load of bollocks. Apparently it’s ‘cool’ to hate Dawkins now, I see it all of the time but never any justification.

    jadechimera
    Member

    “It’s really cold in my own tiny part of the world at this very moment, so how can global temperatures be rising?”

    It’s these fools who can’t tell the difference between climate and weather that make this debate so goddamn unbearably stupid.

    Gwythinn
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    Gwythinn

    Why does everybody think “global warming” is even a thing? It’s been YEARS since they realized that was a stupid name that doesn’t describe what’s happening. They call it “global climate change” now, which is also stupid because it is also not properly descriptive. What we’re observing would be better described as “global climate extreming”, as the hot times get hotter, the cold times get colder, and the weather gets rougher. That’s obvious through simple observation even to slickrick, who tried to use unseasonably cold weather in Houston as an argument AGAINST this phenomenon, when it’s actually a perfect DEMONSTRATION… Read more »

    teezy weezy
    Member

    I don’t believe in “the natural cycle of the planet”

    conan776
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    Whether it’s our fault or not — and certainly the desertification of the World has be going on for ~7,000 years and increasing at an exponential rate — we have the intelligence and technology to stop and even reverse Global Climate Change. Sitting on our hands and hoping Jeebus saves us while Earth becomes a planet that can barely support human life at even a fraction of our current population is completely brain-dead.

    But, whatever. Drill baby drill!

    jediadept
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    From what I’ve learned: Mars has two cars, and they’re both electric; yet, its weather is also changing established pattern.
    Humans my contribute in part, but, whatever is the cause of the change, I doubt it’s us.

    conan776
    Member

    The asteroid wasn’t the dinosaurs’ fault either. What difference did that make?

    jediadept
    Member

    Thank you for acknowledging my point.

    fracked again
    Member

    Mars is in a part of its orbital pattern where it was closer to the sun and its ice cap was pointed towards the sun, causing the cap to dissipate.

    Nurgen
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    Nurgen

    Yeah, ’cause dramatically changing the composition of the atmosphere couldn’t possibly do anything, right?

    frodo98473
    Member

    Are you trying to tell me that the same people who can’t tell me what the weather is going to be like in 3 weeks, can somehow tell me what the weather is going to be like in a year?

    Quote from somewhere, possibly here.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    Weather =/= climate.

    fracked again
    Member

    Long term global trends are easier to predict than local short term weather.

    WistfulD
    Member

    The weather on a given day, kind of like economic indicators, can be modeled by an equation that has so many standard errors built into the equation, that the result approximates random guessing. The equation that posits global warming has exactly one standard error rate, and it only varies in the severity: Carbon dioxide (and other “greenhouse gases”) transmits photons in the visual spectrum, but absorb photons in the infrared spectrum (rough translation: an increase in these gases does not stop light from coming through our atmosphere and hitting the Earth, but does increase the planet’s ability to capture that… Read more »

    tiki god
    Admin

    “Are you trying to tell me that the same people who can’t tell me what the weather is going to be like in 3 weeks, can somehow tell me what the weather is going to be like in a year? ” why yes. just like sociologists can’t tell you want an individual will do in any given situation, they CAN tell you what a large group of people will do. also, I doubt that your weatherman’s been really really wrong about something, usually people say what you said when they don’t properly understand risk likelihoods. Like when they say there’s… Read more »

    Drew
    Member

    I am in Houston too – it’s been pretty cold here and snowed in early December – something has to be up. Last summer was so freaking hot – hotter then usual. Also, check out all the idiot comments on the chron.com when they are reporting weather and these dumb hicks says “It’s cold – there is no global warming. AlGore bla bla bla.”

    Nimbo
    Member

    2 reliable sources? Here are a pair of articles published in the mid 70’s in time and newsweek, YMMV if they are reliable or not.

    www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html

    sweetness-light.com/archive/newsweeks-1975-article-about-the-coming-ice-age

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    Without even arguing about reliability, Newsweek and Time are not primary sources.

    Evilpenguin556
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    Evilpenguin556

    Pizza is awesome.

    DMYTRIW WDS
    Member

    Is it real? Yes.
    Do I care? No.
    Do we need to do something about it? Yes.
    Why? So we can dump shitloads of money into fusion power and battery technology and tell our Saudi overlords to fuck off.

    dogsurfer
    Member

    If you sit in a running car in a closed garage for an hour, what you don’t see will kill you. If millions of us drive our cars for an hour every day, year after year, one might conclude similar results. As a 7 year owner of a Civic hybrid ulev (43.7 life-time mpg), I will suffer the same fate as everyone. The difference is I voted for a change with my dollars, with the side benefit of breaking even at the 3.5 year point.

    Puulaahi
    Member

    You effect your environment whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

    Doctor Thompson
    Member

    I believe in Harvey Dent.