The Great Garbage Patch, East and West

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Floating islands of non-biodegradable debris


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    joodles
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    Is this any worse than having it in landfill? I wonder what sort of impact his has on the fishies.

    Alec Dalek
    Member

    Waiting for someone to explain why this is my fault, even though I have nothing to do with it.

    MalcoveMagnesia
    Member

    A couple years ago San Francisco banned plastic bags from being given out at grocery stores. As a resident, I originally thought it was a lame, publicity-generating exercise in futility. But now that I don’t see so many plastic bags swirling around the air in my homeless & druggie infested hood (and being so close to the Bay & the ocean, lots of these bags and general garbage tends to end up falling into the water). And then I did some driving on Maui last year where I took a short cut right by the island’s landfill. As soon as… Read more »

    Dreth
    Member

    We’re all at fault.

    We want to be civilized? This is the price we have to pay for being arrogant beings that cannot (more like, don’t want to) just rely only on natural resources.

    joodles
    Member

    @MalcoveMagnesia: They put a tax on plastic bags here in Ireland, you have to pay 22 cents for one, and it’s made a huge difference, it’s a very good idea, but not one that will solve this problem. It’s probably mostly plastic bottles.

    RSIxidor
    Member

    I’ve started using reusable bags and never looked back. I just need to get some little mesh bags for my veggies, now.

    Puulaahi
    Member

    @RSIxidor: I use reusable bags too.

    dieAntagonista
    Guest

    @Dreth: Truth.

    Marrock
    Member

    Home Depot has the best reusable bags, they’re huge and they have these neat plastic clips that let you hook them to the shopping cart to hold them open.

    The same clips also let you keep the bag closed so your stuff stays in it.

    fracked again
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    All great ideas, but this is a bit if pseudoscience mixed in to reality. There are concentrations of junk, which are a very bad thing(TM), and is very bad for marine life, but they aren’t islands, and the graphic isn’t clear that the shaded patch is where one would expect to have a good chance of finding some plastic waste in the water.

    Tyger42
    Member

    Talking about plastic bags vs paper, the sad thing is with the trees cut to make ’em and the chemicals that go into it, paper bags are as bad as plastic overall for the environment…

    DublinO
    Member

    Reusable bags are the best answer, my wife and I use them, but there is just no option to recycle, pollution won’t cease to raise by choosing paper or plastic, every effort to conserve must be made. Turning our lights off for one hour last month was a nice display of support, yet hardly effective

    Puulaahi
    Member

    I also use a canteen for my water. No more need for plastic bottles, plus they cost serious money if you add up the yearly cost.

    DublinO
    Member

    I meant there is no option to recycle locally here in Jacksonville Beach.
    @Dyna-Mole: You know the Keys are a little bit of land and a whole bunch of landfill placed there by the Navy right around WWII right? perhaps there’s money to be made here.

    DublinO
    Member

    @Puulaahi: Ever used a Camelback?

    MonkeyHitman
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    @joodles: ditto, in holland they tax everything, for our re-usable bags cost 20 cents and the strong good bags cost 50 cents. it does make a difference in it. imo

    MonkeyHitman
    Member

    forgot to mention. that we have a system that in the store there is a machine you can put your bottles in to recycle and you get a receipt and with that receipt you can purchase stuff in that supermarket. works really great even thou it’s just like 2~5 euro’s.

    Dreth
    Member

    Get rid of humanity. Problem solved.

    dieAntagonista
    Guest

    @Dreth: Illogical truth.

    wartoaster
    Member

    Bluthdon!

    come on you know where thats from

    Tyger42
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    @Dyna-Mole: Even “Garbage Soup” is a gross exaggeration. I mean, yeah, pollution is bad… But so is over-exaggerating the problem to try to scare people into drastic measures to cure it. Kinda like the people claiming Hawaii is going to be underwater in a decade due to global warming…

    outofocus
    Member

    I also thought the SF plastic bag ban was lame but SF is noticeably less littered as a result. The area I live has major litter issues. People just don’t care so the nice yard I live near needs clean up twice a week because it’s littered with all sorts of stuff (sometimes human feces).

    I remember seeing pictures of the “plastic island” a few years ago. Talk about freaky.

    www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/22/httpeditorialhuffingtonpo_n_108547.html

    www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/19/SS6JS8RH0.DTL&hw=pacific+patch&sn=001&sc=1000

    nyoki
    Member

    I have six reusable bags, 2 from each of the grocery stores I visit. I keep them all in my truck and generally only need 2-3 bags per visit.

    nyoki
    Member

    Also, are these floating islands totally detrimental or are they being used by sea life? I know NYC has dumped old subway cars in the bay as an artificial reef.

    Dreth
    Member

    @dieAntagonista: Truth nonetheless.

    DublinO
    Member

    @nyokki: Those bags can be used in any store, my wife and I have some generic ones she scored from a promotion she was working on.

    jediadept
    Member

    I read that, off the coast of Austrailia, the currents have constucted a floating island of “used” prophylactics(rubbers)dense enough to be able to walk across; although, they did not mention who would try such a thing.

    Phaidros
    Member

    It’s very nice and appropiate that you all are so concerned about plastic bags and wastedisposal. It’s about time that the USA invest into it and finally start to recycle. But that doesn’t change anything about the truth which is simply that these “islands” are nothing more than a myth. Please don’t just believe anything you see on a picture in the internet.

    nyoki
    Member

    @Dublin0: LL
    Yes I know that. It’s just the way it worked out. I don’t feel bad taking a Food Lion bag into Martins.

    storminator
    Member

    a natural byproduct of mankind! maybe we can live on them like the islands in Titticaca! the 51st state!

    1llume
    Member
    1llume

    not to, be to sceptical, but what are the co-ordinates for this . if it exists you should be able to google earth it.

    fracked again
    Member

    @Tyger42: Who says that?

    etiii
    Member

    @Dyna-Mole,
    I agree w/Tiger 42! According to this map, I’m living on a sea of sheep out here in the East Pac.. Just like I don’t believe in Global Warming. Oh, and now they say eggs are good for you!

    chupathingy
    Member

    @etiii:
    It is not a matter of believing in global warming because it is happening. The question is whether the change is part of the normal cyclic temperture changes in the history of the planet or if it is human induced.

    nyoki
    Member

    @chupathingy: Does it matter? What would we do differently if we knew for sure that it was caused by us…or not? The effect is the same, no?

    MonkeyHitman
    Member

    @nyokki: i think it does matter but nevertheless no matter what happens change should still happen. It depends how you define effect in this situation. if you meant like the results effect then i would say the effect is almost the same. If you meant mental effect i think if people were told it’s a normal cyclic temperature change then people would care-less. not all of course.

    fracked again
    Member

    Well, we do know that the excess CO2 in the atmosphere is there because of us, due to measured changes in C14/C12 ratios. Use of fossil fuels have changed those ratios.

    nyoki
    Member

    I just think that arguing overmuch about fault rather than cause is counterproductive.



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