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    teezy weezy

    Is that all cops do then, shoot people?


    Well no, cops also bring the dogs. And the bees. And the dogs with bees in their mouths. So that when they bark, they shoot bees at you.


    its against the law in the US to be a vigilante. i would like to hear from people as to whether a gun would have saved them in a certain situation without legal ramifications.


    Snow: Of course it would have. Just ask Bernhard Goetz.

    Oh wait.


    Alive and in jail vs. dead and law-abiding: your thoughts?

    Alec Dalek

    While I see the value of allowing citizens to carry concealed handguns as a deterrent against crime, I wouldn’t want one myself. The problem is if you were to shoot a criminal that was victimizing you, you’d have Al Sharpton calling you a racist.


    ok legba what if you shoot someone who had honorable interntions? another thing is you americans have so little faith in your justice system that you carry around a gun. i know its your constitutional right but thats so far outdated. and legba if you are in jail you may as well be dead. give me liberty or give me death.


    The gun part of the costitution is so the USAders can dislodge incompetent governments. Notice how they all walk around with guns and none of them do shit to impeach Bush after sending their kids to war (etc). Use your damn guns for the right things damnit, or I’ll lose whatever faith I have left in your so called democratic country.


    So you want us to practice anarchy to prove democracy?


    No, RSI. Korinthian is recommending we use force to exercise another constitutional right laid down by our very DECLARATION of Independence…

    “…That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”


    I think the problem is this: Our society sees Bush as a problem yes, but they just saw, “It won’t be a problem in 4/8 years.” The issue is that the majority of society sees the president as the power behind the government, and while this one can definitely be accused of abusing this, we also need to look at the other three branches.

    That, and most Americans are too lazy to give a damn.


    It’s not that we’re lazy, it’s just that there’s something on TV and we don’t have time to cook. Where’s the damn pizza boy?!!


    Its true TrayShadix, the government in the U.S. has been able to operate without fear of repercussion from its own people. They have continued to slowly allow things to falter in their own favor, and it seems most Americans are unable to see just how bad its become.

    In countries like France, and the rest of Europe, the people have all the power. The government lives in fear and steps lightly that at any point the people will revolt and overthrow the current power. Protesting in Europe actually works. So the system is actually set up to keep the people happy, money being spent where the people want, and not the government. though I know that might seem odd to most.


    That does make sense, too bad the majority of Americans would balk at the idea that FRANCE of all places has it right.


    “Alive and in jail vs. dead and law-abiding: your thoughts?”

    It’s always better to take the moral high ground. The “two wrongs make a right” philosophy is the only reason there’s violent crime in the first place. If everyone put ethical conduct first and foremost there’s be little need for guns or cops.

    You put papa legba’s name t oshame.


    Also, Mr. Dooves: What the fuck are you talking about? Aren’t you Canadian? Canadians are totally apathetic about politics compared to Americans. As are most Europeans. Americans spend a lot more time talking politics than people in most other countries. And hell, even the French are pretty apathetic about politics compared to, say, the Italians, and most of the Italians are still pretty damn unhappy about the government.

    As for French having all kinds of super-duper control over the government I would say no. Yes, proportional election systems encourage multi-party legislatures, which reflects the will of the people a lot more. But that doesn’t matter because, compared to European countries France puts a lot more power in the person of the Executive. From my experience most people in France see their government as corrupt, nepotistic and Byzantine.

    And don’t tell me about the occasional protest. Race riots were once common in the States (1991, late 70s, several in the 50s&60s, zoot suit riots, etc). And as for the 60s youth mass protests in France, that was nothing but trendy hippy bullshit copied directly from Americans.

    Dooves, you bullshit and are blatantly factually wrong about literally everything you post about, and you’re so bad at it. You are like Cliff from Cheers.


    Repost is repost.


    back in the days when i was being VERY naughty- i used to carry a gun when i was making “deliverys”. there were three occasions when i was REALLY glad i was armed. talk about TENSE.


    i still carry a gun when i travel. better to have it and not need it.


    My father was killed by a gun that had been bought for protection.

    Self-Defense: The Great Myth of America’s Gun Industry

    Guns have long been seen as tools of self-defense in the United States. But, contrary to gun industry hype, unintended consequences often happen when people buy guns for self-defense. Studies by public health professionals have repeatedly found that having a gun around for any reason increases the likelihood that a family member—as opposed to a criminal—will be injured or killed with a gun. A 1997 American Journal of Public Health study showed that family members that had a history of buying a handgun from a licensed dealer were twice as likely to die in a suicide or homicide as were persons similarly situated who had no such family history of gun purchase. This increased risk persisted for more than five years after the handgun was purchased.

    Other studies have looked specifically at the more narrow question of keeping guns in the home for self-defense. One, published in The New England Journal of Medicine, found that having a gun in the home made it nearly three times more likely that someone in the family will be killed. This risk is particularly high for women, who are more likely to be killed by a spouse, intimate acquaintance, or close relative. An Archives of Internal Medicine study found that, with one or more guns in the home, the risk of suicide among women increased nearly five times and the risk of homicide increased more than three times.

    These and other studies have documented repeatedly the enhanced risk that comes from bringing a gun into the home. Even the gun press admits the risk in unguarded moments. Describing the demise of so-called “lintel guns,” firearms hung over the door ready for immediate action in frontier times, Shooting Sports Retailer noted:

    “Today, guns in a home used for self protection are not hung over the door but are more likely in a desk drawer or beside the bed in a night stand. When a child is hurt in a firearm accident it is often the self defense gun that was found, played with, and ultimately fired by the youngster.”

    But how often do people use guns successfully to protect themselves from criminal acts? Does it justify the deaths and damage that comes with guns? Apparently not. Most studies have found that guns play a relatively minor role in preventing crime but a major role in facilitating it. For example, the US Department of Justice study found that, on the average, between 1987 and 1992 only one percent of actual or attempted victims of violent crime, or about 62,000 people, attempted to defend themselves with a firearm. On the other hand, criminals armed with handguns committed a record 931,000 violent crimes in 1992. Data from the FBI’s Crime in the United States reveals that for every time in 1998 that a civilian used a handgun to kill in self-defense, 50 people lost their lives in handgun homicides alone.

    One advocate of the value of handguns for self-defense is Gary Kleck, professor of criminology at Florida State University in Tallahassee. Kleck and his colleague Mark Gertz claim their survey research indicates that civilians use guns in self-defense up to 2.5 million times a year. Naturally enough, the NRA and the gun industry have widely cited Kleck’s work as proof of the value of owning a gun. But Dr. David Hemenway, a professor at Harvard’s School of Public Health, dissected the work of Kleck and Gertz in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, concluding that their survey contained ”a huge overestimation bias” and that their estimate is “highly exaggerated.” Hemenway applied Kleckand Gertz’s methodology to a 1994 ABC News/Washington Post survey in which people were asked if they had ever seen an alien spacecraft or come into direct contact with a space alien. He demonstrated that, by the application of Kleck and Gertz’s methodology, one would conclude that almost 20 million Americans have seen a spacecraft from another planet and more than a million have actually met space aliens.


    uttermost: Don’t be pissed because your dad tried to rape/rob/murder a chick/dude/kid who managed to defend themself…

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