My Confined Space

Oh yeah, well in an athiest society 100% of people go to hell.

Comment by Sneaky Snake — April 6, 2008 @ 12:52 am

While I do like the facts and statistics brought forth by this video, I still can’t help but wonder would the world be better off without religion? Where would all those lesser educated people who believe in religion turn to? If religion wasn’t there, would they become more savage or civil?

I’m in no way a religious person but these questions and statistics bring about interesting topics.

Comment by sutenvulf — April 6, 2008 @ 12:59 am

Sneaky Snake if they dont believe in hell they arnt going to end up there are they?

didnt like the video i want proof of the stats etc. o wait i dont care lol. i reckon if someone wants to follow a religon let them and if not they should be free to do the same. i dont know about the society not needing religon because religons are mostly there for moral guidence. i mean shit most of the western worlds laws are based on the 10 commandments.

Comment by Snow — April 6, 2008 @ 1:22 am

o btw its a bit misleading and manipulative but i reckon laws are based on religon because humanity is fallable and if you base laws from a divine entity then people are gonna think they are pretty darn infallable

Comment by Snow — April 6, 2008 @ 1:24 am

48% of Europe does not believe in God? Not according to the EU survey.

http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_225_report_en.pdf

According to this 82% of Europe is religious in one way or another, and believes in the very least in some kind of higher force.

Hey teen angstheists: One of the most important aspects of that empirical evidence/scholarly method thing you are always declaring yourself proponents of is citing and checking sources. Just a little tip.

Comment by Caio — April 6, 2008 @ 1:33 am

Laws based on the Ten Commandments? Hogwash. It doesn’t take a sky faerie to figure out you need laws against theft or murder. But when was the last time anyone got arrested for making a graven image?

People who claim the Ten Commandments are the basis for law or morality really ought to find out what they say.

Comment by caradoc — April 6, 2008 @ 1:47 am

72 % of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I actually had this running on a web site that generated a random number between 60 and 90.

Comment by Tony — April 6, 2008 @ 1:53 am

I think the Jews might have been onto something with the whole ‘don’t warship images’ thing. People worship photoshops of celebrities and now little girls stick their finger down their throats to puke or wear make-up like clowns.

Not saying that it’s religious truth or nothing. Just good advice.

Comment by Caio — April 6, 2008 @ 2:04 am

Disbelief in divine cosmic order does not make you anymore intelligent. In fact it’s amazing how much energy is expended trying to rationalize away the incredible synchronous coincidence that displays itself at every turn for those who care to look. Atheists love to claim control over their existence and deny the very concept of predestination, how feeble minded or willfully ignorant do you have to be to not realize that the miraculous paradox of reality is that both freewill and destiny exist simultaneously depending on your level of perception, which is a function of how much information your awareness can process, concerning the dynamics of the fundamental elements comprising the reality you are perceiving.
I experience this material universe through my physical senses, which themselves are complex electro-chemical interactions afforded a brief existence by the virtue of their shape interaction with the machinery of my brain. The brain that is merely a physical manifestation of the cosmic possibility of me. An astounding series of random events had to take place before I could type out this Rant of Wisdom, yet here it is.
Prove to me beyond all doubt that this experience, this dream of existence that we all are sharing, is not also happening to a Cosmic Awareness, that is for the moment beyond our ability perceive. I can’t prove the existence of The God, but I can’t disprove it either. All I know is what I am personally living through, and I feel the presence of something more. Even if it’s only chemistry it still serves the purpose of experiencing this grand creation.
If you give me pills that silence the voice of the universe, show me the folly of religion and convince me that this is all one big nothing.

How will that make me a healthier, happier, more intelligent human being?

Comment by thequietguy — April 6, 2008 @ 2:36 am

WHAT’S THIS!?!?!?

Intellectual conversation on internets?? We’ll have none of that!! Allow me to get you back on track:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

I kid. But seriously, the info is interesting but since it comes mostly from Atheist organizations, I can’t shake the feeling that those facts may be a bit biased. It’s important to keep an open mind in matters such as these.

PS: Does anyone know the title of that song? I know it’s from The Matrix but that’s all I got.

Comment by TheGonz — April 6, 2008 @ 2:53 am

Religious people are pretty fucking stupid. Go atheism!

Comment by Supernaut — April 6, 2008 @ 3:00 am

@Supernaut
i think you pwnd yourself there.

Comment by el_metal — April 6, 2008 @ 3:46 am

@TheGonz

The song was Clubbed to Death by Rob D.

Getting involved in an argument about religion is more foolish that getting involved in a land war in Asia.

I am an Atheist. I don’t care if someone else believes in God. As long as they don’t mind me laughing a bit when their God snubs a family member.

As for Europe… I have traveled most of it. If more than 20% of people believe in God it’s news to me. You couldn’t fill a Church in Germany, Belgium, France, or the Czech Republic without giving away food, beer, and door prizes. People are REGISTERED as belonging to a religion, typically for the sake of a parent or grandparent, but you will never see these people in a church.

The Polish are different. MANY more Polish believe in God. Easily more than 50% of the population, I would say. But even here belief is more for the old and the sick.

That is what I have seen and my first hand opinion.

Comment by ack — April 6, 2008 @ 3:57 am

Czy mieszkasz u Polska? Moja żona jest Polską. Ona jest z Gdansku. A ty? Jednak troche rozumiem i movię po Polsku. Muszę uczyć się mović po Polsku na moye dziecko.

I’m sure I butchered that quite well, especially the grammar. Thankfully, my wife and the rest of her family are atheists. But not annoyingly so, like so many young Americans on the Interwebs.

Comment by Tony — April 6, 2008 @ 4:50 am

@caradoc

ok picture a world without moral guidance the complete antithesis of this world we dont have any morals at all etc no guidence in the for m of religon.

How would you know what is right and wrong? second how would you get the masses to listen to you? (as obviously the stronger are going to use there strength to their advantage) without the strength and fear that a divine entity provides im not sure where we would be. btw im an atheist but i dont flout it and think all christians are blind ignorant zeolots. i know lots of aetheists love to denounce christianity but they are being hipocritical and close minded.

Comment by Snow — April 6, 2008 @ 5:17 am

EDIT: i dont* think all christians … etc

Comment by Snow — April 6, 2008 @ 5:18 am

74% of British don’t believe in a god? That means only a quarter of the population have any kind of religous beliefs? Not possible. I’d love to know where he got a number like that.

Comment by wingnuts — April 6, 2008 @ 5:32 am

@ Snow

You would like to know where people would get morals without the guidance of religion? Fine. That’s very easy. What allows a society to exist in a relatively peaceful state. Murder disrupts this peace. As does theft. As does rape. As does war. Morals are flexible and subject to change over time. In MesoAmerica there was a time when human sacrifice was not only accepted, but looked upon as a good thing. This has certainly changed. There was a time in the Nordic countries that it was acceptable for groups of people to go on raiding parties to steal valuables. This was called going “viking”. Maybe you’ve heard of it? What I’m saying is, if you remove the religious element from morality and focus on social parameters, you get pretty much the same thing.

Wait, I may be wrong there. I can’t see how, in an atheist society, anyone could think of bombing an abortion clinic or discriminating against someone for their sexual orientation as being moral.

Comment by wookie_x — April 6, 2008 @ 5:42 am

Oh, and Snow, with regard to “most of the western worlds laws are based on the 10 commandments”…um, have you actually READ the 10 Commandments? Can you honestly list them off without looking them up? Let me clue you in here.

The first half of the 10 commandments are for priests, the other half for morons. What law is covered by “I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me…”?

What law is covered by “Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above…”?

What law is covered by “Do not swear falsely by the name of the LORD…”?

Are you getting the idea here? Just because the 10 Commandments covers SOME of the same basic concepts as many other cultures, don’t make the mistake that these cultures got their morals from the 10 Commandments.

Comment by wookie_x — April 6, 2008 @ 5:55 am

Agnosticism, the intelligent way to hedge one’s bets.

Comment by brass — April 6, 2008 @ 6:15 am

@ the quietguy

> Disbelief in divine cosmic order does not make you anymore intelligent. In fact it’s amazing how much energy is expended trying to rationalize away the incredible synchronous coincidence that displays itself at every turn for those who care to look. Atheists love to claim control over their existence and deny the very concept of predestination, how feeble minded or willfully ignorant do you have to be to not realize that the miraculous paradox of reality is that both freewill and destiny exist simultaneously depending on your level of perception, which is a function of how much information your awareness can process, concerning the dynamics of the fundamental elements comprising the reality you are perceiving.
I experience this material universe through my physical senses, which themselves are complex electro-chemical interactions afforded a brief existence by the virtue of their shape interaction with the machinery of my brain. The brain that is merely a physical manifestation of the cosmic possibility of me. An astounding series of random events had to take place before I could type out this Rant of Wisdom, yet here it is.
Prove to me beyond all doubt that this experience, this dream of existence that we all are sharing, is not also happening to a Cosmic Awareness, that is for the moment beyond our ability perceive. I can’t prove the existence of The God, but I can’t disprove it either. All I know is what I am personally living through, and I feel the presence of something more. Even if it’s only chemistry it still serves the purpose of experiencing this grand creation.
If you give me pills that silence the voice of the universe, show me the folly of religion and convince me that this is all one big nothing.

How will that make me a healthier, happier, more intelligent human being?

You strike me as a deist…well, that is the first step towards atheism…I wish you well.

Comment by stalwart — April 6, 2008 @ 7:46 am

Atheism is NOT the belief that there is no God, but the belief that there is no need for a God.

Comment by stalwart — April 6, 2008 @ 7:47 am

^^^ Sorry there buddy, but Webster.com disagrees…
Atheism - a disbelief in the existence of deity

Sorry, but NEED is not a part of Atheism.

Personally, I think that we do need a God. One who is consistent, reliable, and powerful enough to wright the wrongs of humanity.

However, need does not create God.

And I am not willing to settle for fictitious bullshit in place of such a being.

That is what makes me an Atheist. I simply do not have faith in God or my fellow man. For me “faith” = “gullibility”, and I want no part of that.

Comment by ack — April 6, 2008 @ 8:57 am

@Caio

Nice try, but you’re comparing measurements of two separate things. The video only stated that x number of Europeans don’t believe in a personal god. Your stat just shows x number of people that attend services. Correlation does no mean causation. I grew up going to church, and I can honestly say, I think at least Half of the congregation weren’t “believers”, they’re there because of who they married (or who they want to marry), other such reasons.

I’m not say either stat us right or wrong, I’m just pointing out they don’t measure the same thing, therefore, they are not comparable.

Comment by AlecDalek — April 6, 2008 @ 9:47 am

If there is a ‘god’ and this god is truly supposed to be omnipotent, then why does this god need us here on earth to pray and worship them. The entire basis of modern religions is flawed. I agree with AlecDalek on the subject really.

Comment by Tardex — April 6, 2008 @ 10:13 am

I told myself I wouldn’t get in an internet argument today, but I just couldn’t help it:
@thequietguy
“Disbelief in divine cosmic order does not make you anymore intelligent. ”
This is actually a really good point. The video demonstrates that smart people tend to not believe in God. But it does not show that if someone stopped believing in God, they would suddenly become smart.
“Atheists love to claim control over their existence and deny the very concept of predestination”
I’m an Atheist and I believe in determinism. Pretty much invalids your point right there.
“Prove to me beyond all doubt that this experience, this dream of existence that we all are sharing, is not also happening to a Cosmic Awareness”
I have no idea what you are talking about here. WTF is a Cosmic Awareness? When most of us talk about God we mean an omnipotent, benevolent lawgiver that demands that it be worshiped. If you’re talking about something that doesn’t meet that definition, that’s a whole different argument.
@Snow
“How would you know what is right and wrong?”
The Categorical Imperative and Utilitarianism are two concepts that I think about when making moral decisions, neither require a God. In fact, you should read the Socrates’ dialogue with Euthyphro, where this exact question is discussed. Socrates argues that even if the Gods tell us what is right and wrong, that there still must be some reason why they Gods decide one thing is right and another wrong. So if we can figure one why how the Gods decide right and wrong, then we don’t need the Gods to tell us right and wrong, we can figure it out for ourselves.

Comment by reboot — April 6, 2008 @ 10:21 am

@SneakySnake:
http://www.adherents.com claims that there are 4200 different religions. Good luck picking the right one.

Comment by haelduksf — April 6, 2008 @ 10:53 am

@Alec: Read farther down, you ignorant illiterate cunt. It’s after the church section.

Comment by Caio — April 6, 2008 @ 11:41 am

@reboot: I agree with you in principle but Utilitarianism is bullshit. You’ve got ‘ends vs means’ ‘the difficulty of predicting’. Or howabout the fact that happiness is often not morally certain and in fact the great number of people are happy at the suffering of others. That kind of thinking would brutalize society. We’d see the return of minorities being fed to the lions in the coliseums.

I agree that morality doesn’t require God but please don’t say ‘utilitarianism’. I hate that almost as much as Alec’s inability to read an entire document before making a dumbass post.

Comment by Caio — April 6, 2008 @ 11:46 am

Also at ack, possibly the biggest cunt of them all: Have you considered the possibility that sneaky snake was being flip and funny? That’s how I read it. That + being a fucking rascist shit makes you the biggest cunt on this site and the fact that you seem 100% earnest makes me actually miss Iddq you dumbfuck.

Comment by Caio — April 6, 2008 @ 11:54 am

And yes I realize that it was haelduksf who said that but I don’t know who that is so I’m blaming that shithead Ack.

Comment by Caio — April 6, 2008 @ 11:55 am

Wow. You’re a bigger troll than I thought.

Comment by ack — April 6, 2008 @ 12:50 pm

It’s an interesting trolling technique too.

Comment by ack — April 6, 2008 @ 12:52 pm

You make a few posts that are coherent.

And then lose the plot.

Then start personal insults, profanity, and multiple repeat posting.

Comment by ack — April 6, 2008 @ 12:53 pm

Seriously now. Does mom know that your online again?

Comment by ack — April 6, 2008 @ 12:54 pm

@Caio
Utilitarianism is not complete bullshit. It’s also not the mathematically precise system of morals that Jeremy Bentham hoped it would be. And it really fails if when you are dealing with statistically large groups for exactly reasons you mentioned.
Still, I do think it’s valuable in a lot of personal ethics situations where you can have more or less complete information about what constitutes happiness for each of the involved players.
Besides I only said that I consider those principles, not that I’m slavishly devoted to them.

Comment by reboot — April 6, 2008 @ 1:04 pm

I want that animated fractal sequence as a screensaver.

Comment by Disgustipater — April 6, 2008 @ 1:16 pm

this has nothing to do with anything but i like time bandits explanation about god and reason… so the devil a reasonable guy says god is such a dumbass for inventing butterflies, dandelions, and can you believe this slugs, things without purpose. if i was in charge i would have started with lasers, microwave ovens, televisions and computers i would have such a more purposeful world…

Comment by asdf — April 6, 2008 @ 1:24 pm

@caio:
You could also check out Kant. He’s a bit more idealistic, and where the means outweigh the ends. I dunno, check out a philosophy book on morality. You’ll find quite a few viewpoints.
And quite a few without any sort of reference to God.

Comment by Max — April 7, 2008 @ 10:38 am

“If there is a ‘god’ and this god is truly supposed to be omnipotent, then why does this god need us here on earth to pray and worship them. The entire basis of modern religions is flawed.”

Where does it say that god “needs” us? If god exists ( personally i think he or it does) and created us how could one logically argue that an all powerful superior intelligence would need an underling to reassure his existence or to give glory,? In Judaism/Christianity man was not created to worship god otherwise he would not have been imbued with freewill and on top of that the sole purpose of the Angels is to worship and serve god.

Comment by thelotuseater725 — April 7, 2008 @ 11:37 am

I think it was in a Tom Robbins novel, maybe Another Roadside Attraction, where he says, something like, “People will give you the same stupid look if you tell them God doesn’t exist as they will if you say that He does.”

…Which is probably why every post about religion around here is 30+ comments.

Comment by rattybad — April 9, 2008 @ 1:40 am

% of atheists who make it to heaven:

0%

Comment by natedog — April 9, 2008 @ 2:38 am

trollin’ wit da homies

Comment by natedog — April 9, 2008 @ 2:41 am

% of theists who make it to the fictional heaven:

0%

——–

I do not “believe” there is no God, I’m convinced that no God or gods exist. I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one.

One might ask, “Isn’t belief that there is not a god just as irrational, arrogant, etc. as belief that there IS a god?” No, for several reasons. First of all, I do not “believe” that there is not a God. Belief has nothing to do with it. I believe or don’t believe my 4 year old daughter when she tells me she didn’t make that mess on the floor. I believe in justice and fair play (though I don’t know exactly how we achieve them). I don’t accept the currently fashionable assertion that any view is automatically as worthy of respect as any equal and opposite view. My view is that the moon is made of rock. If someone says to me, “Well, you haven’t BEEN there, have you? You haven’t seen it for yourself so MY view that it is made of Wisconsin pepperjack cheese is equally valid,” then I can’t even be bothered to argue. The burden of proof in the case of God, as in the case of the composition of the moon, has shifted radically. God used to be the best explanation we had. But we’ve now got vastly better ones. God is no longer an explanation of anything but has instead become something that would itself need an insurmountable amount of explaining. So I don’t think that being convinced that there is no God is as irrational or arrogant a point of view as belief that there is. The matter does not call for evenhandedness at all.

Comment by rockyabq — April 9, 2008 @ 11:19 am

Win if true. Otherwise, dreadfully faily.

Comment by Smedlorificus — April 9, 2008 @ 2:15 pm

On april fool’s day, You tube Rick Roll’d everyone who clicked on any of their featured videos on the home page. It was great.

Comment by pedantic — April 3, 2008 @ 8:06 pm

I actually fell for that. Stupid cute bunnies…

Comment by Jaypeezy — April 3, 2008 @ 8:07 pm

Piss off, not watching it :p

Comment by cpnichol — April 3, 2008 @ 8:38 pm

Shit I Get Rickroll’d Every Fucking Time!!!1!!

Comment by mex_hustler — April 3, 2008 @ 8:51 pm

i was rickroll’d 32 times on April Fool’s Day.

Comment by Pants — April 3, 2008 @ 9:16 pm

Rock Rolling is one of the least funny jokes…

Comment by jasonp — April 3, 2008 @ 9:30 pm

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/webscout/2008/03/rick-astley-kin.html

The man himself on Rickrolling - cool guy =)

Comment by Brevity Truta — April 3, 2008 @ 9:42 pm

Whats sad is I like the song so when I get rolled it doesn’t bother me.

Comment by Ironzombie — April 3, 2008 @ 9:54 pm

HAHAHA… Lame.

Comment by mightyconan — April 3, 2008 @ 9:56 pm

Has anyone ever actually sat through that whole video. I know I haven’t.

Comment by stalwart — April 3, 2008 @ 10:19 pm

This HAS to be the best Rick Roll EVER!!!!!

http://www.break.com/index/westboro-church-gets-rick-rolld.html

Comment by Andrew — April 3, 2008 @ 11:35 pm

omg video on mcs

Comment by AAK15 — April 3, 2008 @ 11:54 pm

your mom goes to college.

Comment by okcomputer — April 4, 2008 @ 8:57 am

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/309077/

Comment by LordOpie — April 9, 2008 @ 10:14 pm

@okcomputer

please tell me that was random cause I’m laughing.

Comment by mAgnUS BUTTfoorson — April 9, 2008 @ 10:27 pm

Oh, come on. THat’s a horible porn title. What about in the old days

Lord of the G-Strings
Throbin’ Hood
Bend Her
The Loin King
Cherry Potter

Comment by Peaches LaRue — March 20, 2008 @ 1:23 pm

Anal Analysts Analyzing Anal Openings Anally.

Comment by AlecDalek — March 20, 2008 @ 2:47 pm

these guys are actually kinda funny.

Comment by thesixthsentinel — March 20, 2008 @ 3:45 pm

Count Porn blows the horn (rough translation from the german title)
And don’t forget the Sperminator.

Comment by Goldfinger — March 20, 2008 @ 4:14 pm

Add: Actually it’s very depressing that there’s about a kazillion porn movies in every rental but only about 5 nice splatter movies.

Comment by Goldfinger — March 20, 2008 @ 4:16 pm

Edward Penishands

Comment by jeffapotimus — March 20, 2008 @ 5:33 pm

sex toy story
star whores
the lord of the rims
goodfellatio
ass wide slut
riding miss daisy
forrest hump
good will humping
Rear And Pleasant Danger

Comment by el_metal — March 21, 2008 @ 1:41 am

LOL thats hilarious!

Comment by Jaypeezy — November 28, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

Really though?

I mean…

really?

Comment by lazlow234 — November 28, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

lol replied at the same time

Comment by Jaypeezy — November 28, 2007 @ 9:01 pm

Lol awesome!!!NOEN!

Comment by Kero — November 28, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

Rip Rap Ribbity Doo

Comment by Ejones — November 28, 2007 @ 9:44 pm

**I move away from the mic to sell-out

Comment by diabeetus — November 28, 2007 @ 10:17 pm

Oh yeah because it’s so much better to sing for YouTube without any fuckin’ profit. He even makes fun of himself, unlike Numa-Numa who thought being stupid on command for the second time around would be something worth merchandising.

I loved the squirrel part.

Comment by Dreth — November 28, 2007 @ 10:23 pm

haha, crazy awesome. Good for him.

Comment by jasonp — November 28, 2007 @ 11:02 pm

OMG, It was all an add!?! best advertisement ever!

Comment by Jicty — November 29, 2007 @ 12:38 am

Nigga can sing!

No disrespect, though. What happened to the squirrel?

Comment by Gilly — November 29, 2007 @ 2:08 am

Oh it was an ad? For what? I couldn’t watch it past the first 10sec because it was too annoying.

Comment by Wisebrute — November 29, 2007 @ 4:30 am

I die a little bit inside, each time he sings.

Comment by Gaexion — November 29, 2007 @ 8:21 pm

OMG, was that a Trash-80 at the end of the video as it panned out? LOL

Comment by chaosmfx — November 30, 2007 @ 1:28 am

LOL Wow… just… Wow…

Comment by Phyreblade — November 30, 2007 @ 2:43 am

I submit this as the National Anthem of the Internet. I would put my hand over my heart for this.

Comment by Caio — February 19, 2008 @ 4:29 pm

So would I man, So would I…

Comment by Phyreblade — February 19, 2008 @ 6:30 pm

Finger fuckin’ cool.

Comment by Hepathos — August 28, 2007 @ 8:27 pm

That bass line really hits. I’m getting a high quality mp3

Comment by casemods — August 28, 2007 @ 9:06 pm

fried chicken….
om nom nom nom.

Comment by Frank — August 28, 2007 @ 10:09 pm

It’s funny, but I couldn’t stand more than 20 seconds of it.

Comment by Wisebrute — August 29, 2007 @ 3:14 am

It’s funny, but I couldn’t stand more than 20 seconds of it.

I love it.

Comment by casemods — August 29, 2007 @ 4:10 am

Wow, just when we get close to being on the same level as whitey, something like this comes out and knocks us back a couple years.

Comment by bob — August 29, 2007 @ 8:06 am

^^^ Hey blackie, whitey has produced Kid Rock, Pamela Anderson Lee Rock and George Bush, how do you think we feel????

Comment by stalwart — August 29, 2007 @ 8:31 am

Us black people love George Bush!

Comment by bob — August 29, 2007 @ 8:59 am

GEORGE BUSH DOESN’T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE

Comment by Hepathos — August 29, 2007 @ 10:06 am

bob, don’t worry, I realize these black people are on par with our rednecks. They are not representative of the whole.

And I always thought it strange the stereotype that blacks love fried chicken. So do rednecks and white trash. Why single out black people? It’s all the Colonels fault!

Comment by AlecDalek — August 29, 2007 @ 10:22 am

It’s cuz Hermoine’s boobs seem to grow.

Comment by egnilk66 — June 29, 2007 @ 5:31 pm

Can’t put your finger on it huh? I’m pretty sure she’s not 18, so you’ll go to jail if you do.

Comment by SimTek — June 29, 2007 @ 5:55 pm

Its a shading effect, but I’ll believe what I wanna believe.

Comment by Kaze — June 29, 2007 @ 5:57 pm

I know what’s different! Harry got a haircut! (And it’s about bloody time…)

Comment by Mythstae — June 29, 2007 @ 7:03 pm

wicked >.

Comment by bbcversus — June 29, 2007 @ 8:14 pm

i think i just hit puberty

Comment by AAK15 — June 29, 2007 @ 9:58 pm

BTW for those that didn’t know.. 16 is legal in the UK.

Plus someone seemed to put up some “interesting” fakes. Just google her name with safe search off.

Comment by mistergreen — June 30, 2007 @ 12:17 am

I’d give her a taste of my magic wand any day!

Comment by zeehond23 — June 30, 2007 @ 6:00 am

I’m definitely watching it in IMAX 3D.

Comment by Ando — June 30, 2007 @ 10:29 am

Harry Potter: and the pedophile’s basement

Comment by Kaze — June 30, 2007 @ 11:29 am

The last one is by far the best.

Comment by Denmarkian — May 31, 2007 @ 12:58 am

Damn raping black men.

Comment by Netforce — May 31, 2007 @ 2:41 am

tons of my friends are athiasts, and their parents know about it, and their parents didnt really care, they just dont get them nothing for christmas anymore, but the thing is about people these days, is the fact that they use religeon as an excuse for their actions, people need to respect the religeons of other people, no matter what if they believe in a steamy pile of dog shit outside on the sidewalk or chuck norris, because, if you arent respectful of other people they wont be respectful of you, same with religeon
agree?

Comment by colin — May 21, 2007 @ 3:15 pm

lol i dont get anything form my parents for chrsitmas anyways stopped asking my stupid parents 3 years ago.

and are you talking about the mom screaming cuz he doesnt “believe” anymore?

quote @colin–”people need to respect the religeons of other people, no matter what if they believe in a steamy pile of dog shit outside on the sidewalk or chuck norris, because, if you arent respectful of other people they wont be respectful of you, same with religeon”

Comment by slakinator — May 21, 2007 @ 3:31 pm

The thing that cracks me up about Religionists is they are often, inwardly cruel. Take this kid’s mom; she starts shrieking at him and takes away “Christmas”. I don’t believe in God, but I still spend a crap-load of money every Christmas getting presents for my friends and family.

The main argument Religionists make is “People wouldn’t be nice to each other without the threat of eternal damnation and hell-fire”. Like, without the threat of hell I’m going to start killing people and stealing money. Guess what: I can love people, buy them presents, and be a perfectly normal nice person without going to church on Sunday. Really.

Comment by natakamus — May 21, 2007 @ 3:33 pm

Something I have to warn about being ‘respectful of other people’ is where do you draw the line? Should we really allow people to convince others that their god tells all people that women should be subservient? That their god demands that they follow these 10 rules, no more, and no less? That their god says particular classes of people aren’t really people, and don’t deserve the same treatment as others?

Simply put, you cannot be respectful to someone that thinks they have an inside line to an imaginary friend in the sky. You should look at them in the same light as someone who claims to truly believe in santa at age 40. Yeah, you don’t have to pick a fight, but there’s no reason to be respectful to them.

Tell them how it is, not how you wish it could be. I’m sure everyone would LOVE to have an ever loving Magic Man, who would solve all problems, but he simply doesn’t exist.

Comment by tiki god — May 21, 2007 @ 3:39 pm

I “came out” as an atheist to my family last summer. The maternal side of my family is very devoutly Catholic, so when I made the mistake of mentioning at a family party that I intended to go to grad school to study evolutionary biology, a large argument broke out, mostly between myself and an uncle who claimed he could disprove evolution right there (mostly by spouting out facts from a decade old book by Michael Behe). Unfortunately I was rather drunk at this point, finding alcohol to be my only solace against the dire boredom of this family’s gatherings, so my argumentative strengths were a bit weakened. Still, it became abundantly clear to everyone that I am a resolute atheist and that I find all religions to be a cruel joke. I do recall hearing a different uncle murmuring to someone else about me being “ensnared in Satan’s grasp” and about “the problem with these atheists”.

On the ride home I had to explain to my parents that yes, I am indeed atheist and no, it’s not a direct result of me wanting to study evolution but yes, they go hand in hand. I also had to explain that no, I would not be reconsidering my position and rediscovering spirituality ten years from now. I was relieved to hear them say that, while they weren’t happy with it, they would support me no matter what I believe. I was also shocked to later hear that my grandfather, who is a no-nonsense stoic but also a strong Catholic, said he doesn’t care what I believe as long as I can back those beliefs up with sound reasoning.

So, I guess what could have been a rough situation eventually worked out to be ok. So I guess it wasn’t as exciting of a story as you were probably looking for. Oh, and I still got Christmas presents (though my mom did ask if I was going to come visit on Christmas because I don’t believe anymore).

Comment by jakobcreutzfeldt — May 21, 2007 @ 3:54 pm

I don’t talk about religion to family members. Its just easier for everyone that way.

Comment by Kaze — May 21, 2007 @ 3:57 pm

Just saying “i don’t believe in god” doesn’t quite cut it. Check out Penn Jillette’s essay at NPR. That’s how to drive home atheism.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557

Comment by s. — May 21, 2007 @ 4:02 pm

I concur.
It’s hard to muster up respect for someone who believes fervently in something for which there is no solid evidence.

Comment by Ando — May 21, 2007 @ 4:04 pm

lol, I love how he’s wearing sunglasses inside. Kudos for telling his parents that he’s making a choice, but really.. sunglasses inside?

Comment by lee7 — May 21, 2007 @ 4:08 pm

Heh, I’m Athiest and I still get presents for christmas. I think of it more like a family thing than a religion thing for me.

Comment by Kero — May 21, 2007 @ 4:12 pm

I was lucky enough to grow up in an mostly-atheist family, so I never had to go through something like this or deal with awkwardness with my family. I give this kid a lot of credit for what he did, sunglasses or no.

As far as the respect thing goes, I’d like to agree with colin, but I think giving equal respect to people who live by religion and people who live by reason is doing a great disservice to those who live by reason and apply thought to their philosophy of life. I also have to agree with Sam Harris in his book “The End of Faith” that religion is the single most dangerous thing facing humanity today.

Comment by Lord_Gorlock — May 21, 2007 @ 5:38 pm

I confessed, now my aunt shuns me.

Comment by Netforce — May 21, 2007 @ 5:53 pm

I was raised in an atheist family. My parents are atheists, my grandparents are atheists. Unfortunately, my in-laws are Southern Baptist, but for some reason they think I am Jewish since I never have a Christmas tree or any religious paraphernalia up at any given holiday.
However, my parents always gave us presents and such. They said that the mindless consumerism that is Christmas is as far away from any religious doctrine that they know of, so it would be sort of anti-atheism if we didn’t do it.
It is sort of weird living in a “Christian nation” and having almost zero knowledge of the Bible. I feel a little embarrassed when I have to ask other people about certain satire because I do not understand the religious references in it.

Comment by beep beep — May 21, 2007 @ 5:58 pm

Ando, i realize what you are saying, but if you cant respect what people believe in, no matter what it is, you needn’t deserve respect from them because you cant learn to accept other people’s differences.

Comment by colin — May 21, 2007 @ 8:12 pm

Colin, there’s no reason to respect the beliefs of someone that’s completely off their rocker. Yes, I believe there’s a teapot in orbit around mars. Having said that, if you know that I believe in said tea pot, are you going to trust anything else that I believe in? Be it either Norse thunder gods or underwater monsters? If there’s zero proof for a belief, that’s when it becomes unfounded, and dangerous. Thor and Nessy both have the benefit of being widely accepted as non-existant, and thus do not exert their influence on people from a tender young age.

I would rather have children be taught the benefits of self reliant thought, and problem solving skills then be dependent on a non-functional god figure in their life for all of their major decisions.

The easiest part of this argument is that there is absolutely no evidence of an active all powerful being that wants to influence our lives, for the better, or even for the worse. Amazingly, there’s ample evidence that the bible was written by normal people, who had normal goals and desires, and only after the fact decided that they had been used by god to write his word.

Who can look at these two facts and not come to the conclusion that organized religion is a crock of shit?

Comment by tiki god — May 21, 2007 @ 10:43 pm

I don’t know about you Colin, but for me, respect isn’t something I dole out to the deserving. it’s automatic.
If someone believes in fairy tales I’m going to have less respect for them.
I don’t think it makes them bad people, just mildly retarded.

Comment by Ando — May 22, 2007 @ 4:41 am

Tiki, Nessy is just as real as Cthulhu. =( -secretly hopes one day she can ride on a Nessy-

I think everyone in my family knows I’m atheist. Except for my great uncle but he’s too damn old to change. He blamed the notion of taking “In God We Trust” off of money because of “THEM DAAAYUMN ATHEISTS”. Har har. I wonder what would happen if people in my family found out I was pan sexual. =/

I get a pretty Christmas tree because it smells so damn good and it keeps Clock Spider at bay. You sometimes even get some cats with your tree.

Comment by Kazzeh — May 22, 2007 @ 8:02 am

haha so shocking
if i had super religios parents id choose my words more like simply “i dont believe in god”
calling yourself an atheist just makes it harder for those crazy parents, cause that makes you not only apart from their organization but also a member of something else