suicydking — September 25, 2008 @ 4:41 pm

Don’t worry about the Army, they don’t want to shoot Americans.

Blackwater was deployed during Katrina to “help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios” already. All they are is hired thugs. I’m a bit more worried about them.

garbledxmission — September 25, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

I read about this two days ago. It’s disturbing in its’ implications but could also be innocuous. The claim is that they are preparing for possible massive civil unrest in the event of oh, say, the collapse of the entire economy. Why they need active duty when the Nation Guard is supposed to handle such things is another good question. Probably because the Guard is as stretch to the breaking point as it can be. Who knows? I do know that the conspiracy nuts will and already are all over it.

garbledxmission — September 25, 2008 @ 4:43 pm

Good point about Blackwater. Those are some cold blooded lunatics. Well armed and trained ones tho…

suicydking — September 25, 2008 @ 4:43 pm

I agree about the Nat Guard, garbled. If we weren’t deploying the Nat Guard overseas we wouldn’t need the Army deployed at home.

jose_lucca — September 25, 2008 @ 4:56 pm

LOL@those who think that US Troops wont hurt Americans, they will if they are told that these folks are “anti-establishment”. Hell if they are willing to shoot innocent civilians in Iraq, whats to stop them from doing it here. And i agree with the above poster…if we the guard wasnt spread out over afgahnistan and Iraq, we wouldnt need army contingents here. They must know something we dont and they are prepping for it. Mark my words!

FlyingMantisShrimp — September 25, 2008 @ 5:07 pm

Jose_Lucca…wow. As somebody who claims to have served in the military, you’ve got one pretty retarded view of service members. I can’t think of a single person I’ve ever served with who would just assault fellow Americans, no questions asked.

Before you all flip out, maybe the government’s simply tapped a few units to be deployed to any “crisis zone” that may or may not pop up in the U.S. I agree about the points concerning the Nat Guard, but it kind of makes sense to do this from a tactical standpoint. In the event of a crisis, it would take a while to get a Nat Guard unit mobilized and fully ready to respond to the events the article described. Whereas if you have an active duty military component tapped as the go-to unit for something like this, they’d respond quicker.

As for military units being deployed on national soil, it’s happened before. Units from the 82nd Airborne and the 1st Cavalry Division were both mobilized and deployed to New Orleans after Katrina hit, along with other members of the Guard and Reserve.

jose_lucca — September 25, 2008 @ 5:10 pm

Yes i spelled Afghanistan wrong…doh.

GorillaMunch — September 25, 2008 @ 5:17 pm

@Flying. If the order comes through to shoot a fellow American, under court marshal, would you risk getting thrown into a massive prison camp like every other poor sap? When they say civil unrest, they’re mostly worried about people carrying their own firearms (rifles, assualt rifles) Even if it is a constitutional right to carry them.

jose_lucca — September 25, 2008 @ 5:21 pm

@flying mantis shrimp
Um retarded? I served so i know what some folks in the military are like…specifically in the Army. its not about attacking Americans willy nilly. Its about “following orders”. And yes there will be those who will refuse. But there are always those who wont. Its like the cops attacking those who are only trying to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech. I’m not talking the “anarchist” who run amok and destroy property. They deserve what ever ass whopping they get.
I think you need to take off your patriotic glasses and look at the issue objectively.
And if you have questions about my service i can always send you my DD 214.
Finally, did you read the article? Here is a link to it if you didnt:
http://my.opera.com/richardinb.....nagement-r.

jose_lucca — September 25, 2008 @ 5:22 pm

I eagerly await your response.

jose_lucca — September 25, 2008 @ 5:25 pm

@Gorilla munch…them trying to take our right to bear arms is probably what will finally get folks to get off their duffs and take back what Bush & Co have slowly but surely taken from us…including our money which they are working on, as we all know.

FlyingMantisShrimp — September 25, 2008 @ 5:33 pm

@Gorilla
Yes, I would. And when they say “civil unrest,” that is NOT what they’re talking about. Civil unrest is very broad term that can include anything from a group of people protesting to a people burning cars and engaging in full-scale rioting. Although I can say that the Army is most likely not sending a full BCT(Brigade Combat Team) into an American city to stop a protest or to take away people’s firearms.

@Jose
Yeah, well, I apologize that your unit was full of dumbasses and dirtbags. Every soldier is trained to obey LAWFUL orders, not to just do whatever the hell they want and to then say to hell with the consequences. Soldiers who hide behind the “I was just following orders” excuse don’t deserve to wear the uniform in the first place. If your unit was full of people who you think would just attack fellow Americans without hesitating, then I’d have to say that your unit was in a pretty sad state of affairs.

FlyingMantisShrimp — September 25, 2008 @ 5:41 pm

You people make it sound like they’re going to be moving house to house and shipping everybody off in giant cattle trucks.

Military training involving crowd control doesn’t usually involved shipping people off in vast numbers. You just don’t have the resources to do something like that in the event of “city-wide unrest,” and it just doesn’t make any sense. If anything, it’ll probably just piss off more people. The only people that would probably be detained in that sort of situation are people who are acting extremely aggressive. By that I mean they’re posing a serious threat to other people, or to nearby buildings and such.

jose_lucca — September 25, 2008 @ 5:58 pm

First of all let me stress that i never said anything about shooting, what i said was HURT Americans.
I wasn’t talking about just my unit. i was talking about the many, many folks across services that i served with (we did a lot of cross service training). I met all types and from that experience i am sure that there are SOME folks out there who would do it. And maybe you served with a bunch of super cool guys, who knows? The point is that, as i said above, there will be folks who will do it. Specially if they have been convinced or told that the people they are going after, who ever they may, be pose a threat to other Americans.
You never addressed the example of the cops violating rights. Are they not Americans too? Shouldn’t they hesitate to not abuse their fellow American? But they do…they viciously beat them down, verbally abuse them, put mace in their eyes with a swab, spray folks with pepper spray at point blank…and remember that there are many ex military in the police. Let me point out that I AM NOT GENERALIZING. I know that NOT ALL COPS are “bad” and that NOT ALL SERVICE MEMBERS would turn on Americans.
But it seems like you are bent on believing that its not possible and thats your right…thus why America rules and why its a shame that a few narrow minded buffoons have hi-jacked OUR country and driven it into the ground.

jose_lucca — September 25, 2008 @ 6:01 pm

I will now step down from the McS soap box.
Tag, mantis, you’re it.

jose_lucca — September 25, 2008 @ 6:13 pm

Damn mantis, you beat me to the punch. I agree with you whole heartedly that they wont be going house to house and shipping folks off. Thats a bit extreme. They will however use those crowd control tactics on the extremely aggressive as well as the not. I cite my police brutality example above. Something we have all seen and which some of you folks on here have actually cheered on. Of course you’d be singing a different tune if they were doing that to you. I ought to know, i felt the same way till i got my ass whooped by Philadelphia police during the 2000 RNC. And all for taking pictures…and i wasn’t taking sides either…i am an independent. I don’t buy into this two party farce. They are all the same party with two different factions. A true democratic system would have multiple parties regardless of their beliefs or motivation…then again we are a republic and not a true democracy. anyhow, i am getting off topic. My arrest and subsequent jailing was a harrowing experience. From denying my basic rights ie phone call, access to lawyers, to keeping me for four days with out charges and without anyone knowing where the hell i was. And that cemented into my mind that the authorities, military or otherwise will HURT Americans.
then end.

FlyingMantisShrimp — September 25, 2008 @ 6:19 pm

Ugh. Jose, maybe one day when you stop putting words in my mouth, we could actually have a conversation with some real meaning to it.

I don’t know what sort of training you went through in the military, but most units nowadays will not use overly aggressive tactics against large crowds unless they’re utterly forced to. We’ve learned that the hard way from lessons in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I didn’t say it’s out of the question that service members would harm American citizens. My point is that a lot of service members aren’t as simple-minded as a lot of people, yourself included, think. You seem to hold people in the military in low regards in terms of self control and taking responsibility for their own actions. If I remember correctly, you never even deployed to a combat zone, yet you never seem to pass an opportunity on this site to let other people know what goes on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I didn’t address the example of the cops violating rights because that has jackshit to do with what I’m talking about. I’m simply explaining how this does make some sense from a strategic standpoint, and letting you know that your massive, sweeping generalizations of American service members are pretty off the mark. If you want to hijack this thread so you can complain about bad cops, Republicans, and cream cheese, then find somebody else to do it with. If you’d like to discuss the pros and cons of having an active duty BCT ready to respond to some sort of national crisis, then please continue. Otherwise, I’m done.

vanvelding — September 25, 2008 @ 6:26 pm

It can happen. Even here. Saying “that’s impossible” and leaving it at that is just an invitation to trouble.

It’s possible that military units could be deployed to corral a public, outraged section of a community into emergency detention areas. They’d only have to brutally put down and capture a large group of protesters/rioters/rebels to keep the rest of the populace in line. So long as they did it in front of some cameras, everyone else would just lock their doors and keep quiet.

I think military units would do such a thing. There are plenty of examples of how military and police units will act against ‘dangerous’ groups of citizens, esp. if they feel threatened. Put a military unit between a corrupt government and critically outraged citizens(or douchebags), and you’re going to get a conflict.

Hell, pick a trashcan. Tell your military folks no one can pass, tell protestors they can’t go there, and so long as the tension is high enough, it’ll come to blows.

Could it happen? Yeah. Am I worried yet? No. Am I watching? Oh yeah.

Granted, I’ll be less worried after January of next year. Towards the end of October, I’m going to be stocking up on all of the paranoid essentials. Nothing about the current administration says ’smooth transfer of power.’

Caio — September 25, 2008 @ 6:29 pm

Haha armed soldiers policing civilians during election time has worked great in Zimbabwe.

Enjoy your freedom.

EVIL ILLUMINATI — September 25, 2008 @ 6:35 pm

martial law followed by total genocide

Puulaahi — September 25, 2008 @ 7:12 pm

A law is attempting to go through the Senate, that’s right it made it through the House.

Ever hear of the S. 1959: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007.

A bill to establish the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism, and for other purposes.

http://www.govtrack.us/congres.....=s110-1959

FUCK THAT SHIT!

“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” – John Adams

” If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” – James Madison (1751-1836), 4th U.S. President

natedog — September 25, 2008 @ 8:06 pm

when jesus comes back, you fags are gonna shit brix

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nyokki — September 25, 2008 @ 8:10 pm

I share everyone’s concerns about what this could mean. I think this particular plan is about what happened after Katrina. People expect much more from their gov’t than they did even 30 years ago. We tend to look to the gov’t to do something and would prefer that that something is not just anything. Everyone expects the federal gov’t to be prepared to bring in real help after a disaster and not be so discombobulated like they were after Katrina.

Brevity Truta — September 25, 2008 @ 8:15 pm

It’s ok, the detention centres will all have McDonalds’ in them

gor — September 25, 2008 @ 10:27 pm

Tin foil hat title is right. This thread sounds like it came right from http://www.abovetopsecret.com . Bunch of fucking morons. I don’t know what Caio is laughing at, because if it was true, we would use Canada as the detention camp.

Puulaahi — September 25, 2008 @ 10:32 pm

Gor, you always link these random conspiracy websites I have never heard of. You seem to be more apart of that group than I am. That’s right, just because it’s not in the mainstream news, this isn’t true.

Caio — September 25, 2008 @ 10:46 pm

Did you hear that guys? Gor thinks yet again that nothing bad could ever happen in America.

Why vote at all? Nothing bad will ever happen in America.

Stay the Course.

natedog — September 26, 2008 @ 12:45 am

PROTIP: no one’s vote has counted for a decade

gor — September 26, 2008 @ 1:38 am

Puul, I have over ten hours a day to kill at work and I can’t surf for porn, so I spend some of that time looking for the weird or stupid (that’s how I discovered Caio).

Anyho, if you want to give legitimacy to a website full of people who have serious arguments of which well-known person is a gray alien or reptilian, or picking out Martain buildings from NASA photos, or how the world will end in 2012 because some failed human sacrificing near neolithic civilization says so, go right ahead. Me, I’m just going to laugh at them (just like I do at Caio).

General X — September 26, 2008 @ 4:20 am

Through the looking glass.
Also watch the movie Siege with Denzel Washington and Bruce Willis.

jose_lucca — September 26, 2008 @ 10:01 am

ok mantis shrimp, we’ll go through your post point by point:

YOU: Ugh. Jose, maybe one day when you stop putting words in my mouth, we could actually have a conversation with some real meaning to it.

ME: putting words in your mouth? lol. where? when? what are you talking about? Sounds like a cop out to me, not that you’ve said anything of substance aside form pushing the tired old propaganda that we see everywhere else.

YOU: I don’t know what sort of training you went through in the military, but most units nowadays will not use overly aggressive tactics against large crowds unless they’re utterly forced to. We’ve learned that the hard way from lessons in Iraq and Afghanistan.

ME: If these folks are sooooooooooo well trained then why are the civilian casualty rates so high? And remember those lessons go out the window when emotion blinds and binds rational thought. oh and by lessons…are you referring to the same ones they learned in Vietnam? the same one we watched the Russians learn in Afghanistan? spare me.

YOU: I didn’t say it’s out of the question that service members would harm American citizens. My point is that a lot of service members aren’t as simple-minded as a lot of people, yourself included, think. You seem to hold people in the military in low regards in terms of self control and taking responsibility for their own actions.

ME: Again you are accusing me of generalizing and i addressed that in my previous posts which i suspect you aren’t really reading…just skimming over.

YOU: If I remember correctly, you never even deployed to a combat zone, yet you never seem to pass an opportunity on this site to let other people know what goes on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

ME: please feel free to find examples of me spouting off about combat in afghanistan or iraq. and if i do make a comment i come from an informed position and not from ignoramus land like some folks on here. But if it makes you feel better to point out that i have never been in combat and thus should not opine then so be it. Im ok with not having been in a combat zone. And its only idiots that would follow unlawful and unconstitutional orders to fight a war against an enemy that posed absolutely no threat to us…Iraq. Afghanistan is the only place they should really be and look how they have fucked it up there. And you dont need to be “in the shit” to see that.

YOU: I didn’t address the example of the cops violating rights because that has jackshit to do with what I’m talking about.

ME: what?!?! are you kidding me? it has “jackshit”
(what ever that is) to do with what WE are talking about? It has everything to do with what WE are talking about. Its an example of Americans in a position of authority hurting other Americans whom are only enacting their rights to free speech and assembly. More often then not in a non violent manner cause we all know that its only a minute number of individuals that cause property damage and act violently.

YOU: I’m simply explaining how this does make some sense from a strategic standpoint, and letting you know that your massive, sweeping generalizations of American service members are pretty off the mark. If you want to hijack this thread so you can complain about bad cops, Republicans, and cream cheese, then find somebody else to do it with. If you’d like to discuss the pros and cons of having an active duty BCT ready to respond to some sort of national crisis, then please continue. Otherwise, I’m done.

ME: my man you truly are delusional and i think you have to go back and reread your own posts. Again i will point out that i am not making “sweeping generalizations” as you so eloquently put it. I have not high jacked any thread and remember it was YOU who elicited this discussion when YOU responded to my comment…directly.
as far as complaining about cops, Republicans, and, LOL, cream cheese…well they all play a part in this discussion.

ME AGAIN: you my friend need to come out of the cave and into the light. As far as maybe having a discussion…i can only laugh at your juvenile attempt to belittle me and the things i have said.
Most of which, aside from the subjective comments i have made, are all factual and actual, not just my opinion. which by the way i have every right to have just as much as you have the right to yours.
AND AGAIN: Have at it cowboy, cause now i am done. enjoy rambling to yourself and your captive audience.
PEACE….lol!

gx5000 — September 26, 2008 @ 11:25 am

The Kent State University Shooting of 1970…
They will shoot you when told to, PERIOD.

Tin soldiers and Nixon’s coming
We’re finally on our own
This summer I hear the drumming
Four dead in Ohio
- From ‘Ohio’ by Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young

gx5000 — September 26, 2008 @ 11:30 am

Gor…I think it’s hilarious when some joe Yank thinks so well of Canada.
It’s a good thing most of your Red state owners come here to relax and enjoy the green, and not only the snow.

Canada is not America Junior, visit us, and you’ll see

Annarchy — September 26, 2008 @ 12:01 pm

I only have two things to say about all of this: natedog, you are fucking hilarious! Thanks.
Also: Kent State, May 4, 1970. Sure, trust the guys in uniforms carrying guns. You go right ahead. Me, I’m moving to Canada.

Caio — September 26, 2008 @ 12:31 pm

Jesus Christ Gx, don’t be a hippy.

Let me quote the same Canadian hero that penned ‘Ohio’:

“You see a faggot behind the fuckin’ cash register, you don’t want him to handle your potatoes.” - Neil Young, discussing AIDS

natedog — September 27, 2008 @ 6:37 pm

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH NOT WANTING A FAGGOT TO KEEP HIS HANDS OFF MY POTATOES?

natedog — September 27, 2008 @ 6:38 pm

er, take the ‘NOT’ out, and you have the thought i was trying to convey

natedog — September 3, 2008 @ 10:52 pm

one big fucking facepalm.

Rudi was the high water mark

dub_1211 — September 3, 2008 @ 10:55 pm

i love plateforms.

Puulaahi — September 3, 2008 @ 11:05 pm

Well it’s not like the GOP has a leg to stand on. So what else would they talk about?

tiki god — September 3, 2008 @ 11:06 pm

oye, Rudi was worse then this Palin chick. Hur hur hur i’m america’s mayor, hur hur hur

reboot — September 3, 2008 @ 11:25 pm

We need to have John McCain as the next President of the United States. Obama seems like a smart guy and I agree with a lot of his policies, but do you actually think he’ll be able to solve anything of the problems that we’re facing? Do you think that anybody could?
The only solution is to KEEP MAKING IT WORSE. Keep destroying our liberties. Keep selling out our education system. Keep crippling our economy. Stay the course until it all burns to the ground.
Then we can rebuild from scratch.

nyokki — September 3, 2008 @ 11:29 pm

@reboot
That’s pretty much the plot of Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged”.

Puulaahi — September 3, 2008 @ 11:30 pm

@reboot

I’ll bring the smores!

MikeBabaguh — September 3, 2008 @ 11:30 pm

Some part of me agrees with reboot. Hell, I know the ghost of Thomas Jefferson agrees with him. I say it’s not too late to at least TRY to fix things.

A revolution may be inevitable, but shouldn’t we fight to fix things until the very end?

diabeetus — September 3, 2008 @ 11:31 pm

Hey Tiki, why don’t you go and join the Obama campaign. You’re doing enough mudslinging as it is.

RSIxidor — September 4, 2008 @ 12:00 am

I thought she did exactly what a VP is expected to do during the conventions. Bash the other guys.

That said, I’m still on the fence. They both say lots of nice things that make me feel good about them, and bad about the other guy.

I’m seriously scared of the national health care plans. At one moment they promise tax breaks, but then say they’re going to provide health care? With the money we’re supposedly not going to be paying in taxes?

The energy crisis especially has me on edge. I don’t agree with long-term drilling, but I’d rather be independent of foreign oil sooner than it takes to develop the millions of jobs promised in regards to new energy and fuel sources (damnit, algae is the way to go!)

I agree on a lot of things for both sides regarding our actions in the middle east. Pulling out to early in Iraq is definitely bad, but if we have actual intelligence showing al-queda building back up in Afghanistan and Pakistan, that is a serious concern. Iran is a scary scary scary serious concern. North Korea is also rebuilding there nuclear facilities, I understand.

Damnit. I’m voting for Mickey Mouse this year.

thelotuseater725 — September 4, 2008 @ 12:06 am

I wish Teddy Roosevelt was up for election again.

thelotuseater725 — September 4, 2008 @ 12:07 am

Fuck it i’ll vote for him anyways.

DasMaus — September 4, 2008 @ 12:15 am

“9/10 mudslinging”
Oh and just what are the Dems doing?

I was just going to vote against Obama, but after watching both conventions I’ve changed my mind and am voting FOR McCain/Palin

RSIxidor — September 4, 2008 @ 12:20 am

I’m at least waiting till the end of the damn week to say that.

Puulaahi — September 4, 2008 @ 12:22 am

I am voting for Andie Valentino.

jadechimera — September 4, 2008 @ 12:26 am

I was very impressed by the parade of straw men that the GOP put together for tonight.

natedog — September 4, 2008 @ 12:32 am

i’m with reboot

i say we start by making it illegal for any politicians to serve more than one term in any major office

tiki god — September 4, 2008 @ 12:36 am

@DasMaus
are you fucking kidding me?

not once did I hear the dems say untruthful things. Painful, sure, but not out and out lies.

Also, we now have the VPILF quoted saying “I don’t know what a VP does” and Rudi (aka, america’s mayor) saying that he doesn’t know what a “present” vote is.

And did they really compare the liberals to big brother? Really? I don’t think they really knew what that phrase meant if they were serious.

Seraph — September 4, 2008 @ 1:12 am

First off, for a bit of perspective, I’m not attached to any part, I simply prefer policies that seem reasonable to me.
Second, and more directly relevant, I’ve seen far more, and far STUPIDER mud slinging from the right, just being out and about, without actively looking for anything political.
While I’m at it, I’d also like to say that the VP is probably going to wind up being the most important thing that gets overlooked this election. For my money, both candidates would kick the bucket once in office. Obama’d be assassinated by a racist, and McCain would get done in by stress and age. Either way, their VP takes over.

Seraph — September 4, 2008 @ 1:12 am

Oh, and Reboot, I’m starting to think you’ve got the right idea.

wizardoffahz — September 4, 2008 @ 1:45 am

tiki your head is so far up your ass it amazes me. the point of the democratic and republican national conventions are simply to rally the troops. how do they do that? by slinging mud at one another. obama’s a great speaker so his mud slinging seems a lot more refined and intelligent. either way, you’re no better than a console fanboy that likes to get on an xbox 360 site and splooge over how much better the ps3 is because it has better graphics and so on. we get that you want to have obama’s babies, get over it and just shut the fuck up.

thelotuseater725 — September 4, 2008 @ 2:20 am

Oh man…It’s not a good idea to insult the owner of the website.

tiki, with all due respect the obama stuff is pretty lame. I mean if you support him that is fucking great but don’t be so dogmatic in your political beliefs, it isn’t good for you or the country. I mean the democrats are noble in that they want to help out those who are disadvantaged but the sad truth is that they are every bit as corrupt as the republicans. But i think you are smart enough to realize that.

brisingre — September 4, 2008 @ 2:21 am

Ok. I’ll join the fray, I suppose. I think that Obama sucks less than McCain, which is not saying much. He’s nobody’s damned savior. He won’t be able to do a single damn thing. He’ll be an incompetent, inneffective president. However, he won’t ACTIVELY TRY to screw us over, whileas McCain will. They are both lying, cheating scum, but McCain is more evil. On the other hand, I almost have to agree with Reboot. A revolution is inevitable, but it will come too late. People are too damned lazy. We’ve got reason enough for a revolution right now, but people won’t rebel because they aren’t capable of thinking straight for long enough. Oh well.

Actually, fuck it. I’m just going to get out of the USA the first chance I get. I’m not going down with this one.

thelotuseater725 — September 4, 2008 @ 2:30 am

Even if we did have a revolution we wouldn’t be able to adequately arm ourselves if obama gets his gun control laws passed. And even then there are probably 5 shadow organizations making sure it doesn’t happen.

Puulaahi — September 4, 2008 @ 3:06 am

@thelotuseater725

5 Shadow organizations!!!! And you are worried about Obama!? Can you even list 3?lol

twotone — September 4, 2008 @ 4:33 am

@Gun Toting Republitards….

…In the event of a revolution…

What the fuck are you going to do with your hand guns and automatic weapons (if they were legal) against a sophisticated fighting force with large scale explosives, unmanned aircraft, and non-human trigger fingers? Not a fucking thing, that’s what. Your desire to arm yourselves to the teeth is senseless and will only get you killed. For self defense all you really need is a hand gun, a shotgon, and a high powered rifle. Anything other than that is just retarded.

Paul_Is_Drunk — September 4, 2008 @ 6:20 am

My favorite part was the “USA” chants. Like somehow they’re real America. Y’know, the crowd of mostly white older rural Americans. I should have tried that when I was in school.

“Young Paul, 2 + 2 does not equal 5.”
“USA, bitch! Now give me an A!”
“But…”
“USA! USA! USA! USA!”

Oh, and here is a great vid of Republicans on a hot-mic commercial break ripping into their ‘amazing’ VP pick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg

AbNo — September 4, 2008 @ 6:33 am

@twotone

First of all, shoot stupid-asses like you. (Congratulations on setting the tone for this response in your own wording)

Second of all would be to know that loyalty to country and loyalty to government are two separate things.

In the Oath of Enlistment I’d taken a few years back, I never swore to uphold or defend the government.

There’s a reason why “all enemies, foreign and domestic” is part of that oath.

Then again, a stuck-up bigot like yourself wouldn’t understand something like that.

(Yes, I get a little cranky after I’ve been up all night)

Paul_Is_Drunk — September 4, 2008 @ 7:10 am

@AbNo

The funny point is, if you actually read what twotone wrote, you would realize that you just admitted that you need high powered weaponry to take on your fellow Americans.

Pretty ineffective with handguns and rifles, huh?

That’s okay, those of us who are actually half way decent with normal weaponry will defend the likes of you when the revolution really comes.

Max — September 4, 2008 @ 8:14 am

@Abno:

nothing twotone said was about loyalty to country vs. loyalty to gov’t.

If some “Militia” or other club of gun nuts tries to take on the ARMY, they would die. Simple as that.

How is bigotry involved? now you’re just making up insults with no backing at all.

reboot — September 4, 2008 @ 10:37 am

I’m not saying that there should be a revolution, as in march against the US Army while singing Yankee Doodle. That would be suicide. I’m saying that when the time comes, there won’t be an Army to march against. Our society is at an unstable equilibrium, direct intervention is not necessary for it to collapse. Some monkey-wenching might be fun though

Puulaahi — September 4, 2008 @ 12:47 pm

If a revolution comes I will be using my Fijian War Club whilst inhaling tons of alcohol to make me superhuman.

AbNo — September 4, 2008 @ 4:50 pm

To my two detractors…

Actually, from what I saw on TT’s message, it appeared he was talking about a large-scale violent coup of the government.

My point was, an overthrow came about, there’s a good chance the military would help. There’s a mistrust of the fed miles wide in the DoD’s ranks, and as I said before the flag is not The Hill.

And this Libertarian would consider “Gun Toting Republitards” to be bigotry, typically defined as hatred against another that makes life choices different than someone else’s.

AbNo — September 4, 2008 @ 5:10 pm

Secondary: Large-scale explosives? Not terribly useful on your own turf, unless you like rebuilding a lot.

Remember, the non-opinionated public gets war-weary fast. It’ll happen even faster if they see other citizens being attacked with A-10s and MOABs.

Ejones — September 4, 2008 @ 8:53 pm

Impeach, hang, repeat.

nyokki — September 4, 2008 @ 9:49 pm

It appears that the relatively low tech approach of the Taliban and Iraqi insurgents has worked well for them and it would only be more true in our own country, where the soldiers would not want to fire on and/or destroy it’s own citizenry.