Ha! The last animated one is mine, from when I used to be Malvino on b3ta.com, about 2005 I think.
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This is mah baibul, theez'ur mah guns. Wen Fox sez tuh shute, y'all gotta run. - Comment on 96%
Actually, the Iraqi people spent that money, although you may have to pay it back to them.
Save the planet!
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This by pete l’oaf from b3ta.com made me genuinely laugh.
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The Trollstigen and the Stelvio Pass
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A limited picture of the Mussoorie Mountain Road, with the Trollstigen and Stelvio pass underneath, making a nice trio of motorcycle experiences.
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A nice throw up experience. Beautiful but roads like that make me sick due to motion sickness.
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“…nice trio of motorcycle experiences”
The key is the use of a bike, then no motion sickness will harm you… only butthurt 
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Puulaahi: That was the first thing I thought, too!
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When setting out a long car trip, try doing the driving first. That always helps my motion sickness. If I’ve driven for an hour so and then let someone else drive, I’m fine. If someone else drives first and I’m in the passenger seat, I always feel sick. Also, don’t try to read, prolly knew that already, but I figured I’d add that too.
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this road looks like it would be frustrating to drive on, with all the doublebacks and loose gravel.
ugh.
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You mean, challenging, incredibly fun? Then I agree.
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I just want to go here because I guess it’s pretty famous for BASE/wing jumpers.
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As a truck driver, just looking at that road makes me cringe.
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I believe the top gear boys took on the Stelvio pass in an Aston Martin, a Porsche, and a Lambo. Driving Heaven
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A nice throw up experience. Beautiful but roads like that make me sick due to motion sickness.
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“…nice trio of motorcycle experiences”
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Puulaahi: That was the first thing I thought, too!
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When setting out a long car trip, try doing the driving first. That always helps my motion sickness. If I’ve driven for an hour so and then let someone else drive, I’m fine. If someone else drives first and I’m in the passenger seat, I always feel sick. Also, don’t try to read, prolly knew that already, but I figured I’d add that too.
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this road looks like it would be frustrating to drive on, with all the doublebacks and loose gravel.
ugh.
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You mean, challenging, incredibly fun? Then I agree.
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I just want to go here because I guess it’s pretty famous for BASE/wing jumpers.
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As a truck driver, just looking at that road makes me cringe.
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I believe the top gear boys took on the Stelvio pass in an Aston Martin, a Porsche, and a Lambo. Driving Heaven
True courage
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That dog’s got balls.
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I demand the offspring.
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That would be pretty much my favorite animal. It’s like a dog and a tiger mixed… bred for its skills in magic.
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i’d always heard people in jail would fuck just about anything… but i never knew it extended to the wild kingdom. until now.
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GIT ER DUNNNNNN!
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this type of thing would explain raccoons.
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DIE!!!
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Inter-species erotica fucko!
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I suspect he doesn’t have them for long.
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Dude, if the tiger didn’t like him there, the dog would have found out by now.
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I demand the offspring.
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That would be pretty much my favorite animal. It’s like a dog and a tiger mixed… bred for its skills in magic.
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i’d always heard people in jail would fuck just about anything… but i never knew it extended to the wild kingdom. until now.
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GIT ER DUNNNNNN!
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this type of thing would explain raccoons.
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DIE!!!
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Inter-species erotica fucko!
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I suspect he doesn’t have them for long.
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Dude, if the tiger didn’t like him there, the dog would have found out by now.
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British Breakfast
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10 sausages, 10 eggs, a pile of bacon. SOme other stuff.
£10, 5000 calories, get it free if you finish it in 20 minutes.
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“£10, 5000 calories” wut?
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I’ve always wanted to try a British Breakfast, but this is overkill.
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What a waste of food.
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I prefer the French breakfast: coffee and a cigarette.
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Moi aussi.
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I’m actually kind of relieved this isn’t in America.
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Thing is, somewhere in America you can find this. Probably in Texas or Mississippi.
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Replace the tomatoes with ribs and the beans with whole cooked chickens.
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I have trouble finishing off a Taco Bell big box meal. I couldn’t do this. At all.
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Dammit, now I can’t make fun of the Americans for being fat and offering ridiculously huge meals. Bolton is my home town.
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I hear they have particularly daft pet shop clerks there.
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Yes, but try getting a Norwegian Blue anywhere else. (Lovely plumage.)
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@conan776:;Same here.
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Disgusting
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Shit, is a British breakfast meant to feed all of Britain?
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Except Ireland, they resent that.
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Oh yeah! A proper Greasy Spoon!
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…and americans are fat but i have seen worse lol
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My insides are clogging in protest
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holy fucking shit.. do want! 
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There was a time in high school I *might* have been able to finish this, but never in my life would I have wanted to even try to eat that much food.
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I’m more on the carnivore side, but no way i’ll finish that in 20 minutes…casually nosh on and enjoy all day snacking while teasing lesser animals like my younger brother, yes.
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Those sausages look – pink, pale and rather nasty… Walls cheapo meat sludge variety, prolly….
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“£10, 5000 calories” wut?
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I’ve always wanted to try a British Breakfast, but this is overkill.
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What a waste of food.
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I prefer the French breakfast: coffee and a cigarette.
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Moi aussi.
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I’m actually kind of relieved this isn’t in America.
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Thing is, somewhere in America you can find this. Probably in Texas or Mississippi.
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Replace the tomatoes with ribs and the beans with whole cooked chickens.
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I have trouble finishing off a Taco Bell big box meal. I couldn’t do this. At all.
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Dammit, now I can’t make fun of the Americans for being fat and offering ridiculously huge meals. Bolton is my home town.
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I hear they have particularly daft pet shop clerks there.
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Yes, but try getting a Norwegian Blue anywhere else. (Lovely plumage.)
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@conan776:;Same here.
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Disgusting
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Shit, is a British breakfast meant to feed all of Britain?
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Except Ireland, they resent that.
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Oh yeah! A proper Greasy Spoon!
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…and americans are fat but i have seen worse lol
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My insides are clogging in protest
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holy fucking shit.. do want!
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There was a time in high school I *might* have been able to finish this, but never in my life would I have wanted to even try to eat that much food.
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I’m more on the carnivore side, but no way i’ll finish that in 20 minutes…casually nosh on and enjoy all day snacking while teasing lesser animals like my younger brother, yes.
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Those sausages look – pink, pale and rather nasty… Walls cheapo meat sludge variety, prolly….
Goofy frog
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www.myconfinedspace.com/2009/10/13/pretty-frog/
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is goofy
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O I see what you did thar.
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Cute…and goofy.
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It seems Fire Marshall Bill humped a frog
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goofy looking frog, they’d say.
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is goofy
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O I see what you did thar.
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Cute…and goofy.
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It seems Fire Marshall Bill humped a frog
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goofy looking frog, they’d say.
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Einstein
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Here\’s a picture of Einstein. Now get up, go back 5 meters or so, and look at it again. You\’ll shit bricks, or something.
At least you\’ll get some exercise, stretch your legs – get a beer while you\’re up.
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Holy shit I shat brix aplenty.
Holy shit, the latest posts does the mindfuck for you, look below.
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Sadly my room only gives me about 2 meters to back up, so I can see the picture change sorta, but into what, I dunno. Lil help?
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marilyn monroe?
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Bricks were not simply shat. I believe a fully formed housing project just dropped out of my arse.
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I’ve yet to see anything with the “shit bricks” meme worthy of shitting bricks over.
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Nor have I. In fact, I made the secondary picture out without have to move back 5 meters.
In other news, LOLmeters. Use inches and feet or the terrorist win.
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For those of us that can’t back up 5 meters just take a photo editing program, or anything else, that lets you zoom out to around 20% or less.
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Or just hold Ctrl and roll the mouse wheel back…
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My god, back in my day—-
I’m just so gung-ho about taking old school measures to solving today’s problems… Forgive me.
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Bricks were shat. Who is the lady hiding behind Einstein?
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Marilyn Monroe.
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You dumb bastard! That’s not a schooner, it’s a sailboat!
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marilyn monroe = low frequency.
albert einstein = high frequency.
you don’t need to get up or zoom out, just blur (blur = low-pass filter) to see marilyn. or, use a edge-find filer (= high-pass filter).
holy shit, you might have just learned something while on the internet.
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Haha, that totally worked. Took off my glasses and Marilyn was there plain as day.
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What the fuck is a meter?
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It’s like a yard, but there’s more of it.
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yeah i think they use that shit in france or something.
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Wait, what?
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Sadly my room only gives me about 2 meters to back up, so I can see the picture change sorta, but into what, I dunno. Lil help?
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marilyn monroe?
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Bricks were not simply shat. I believe a fully formed housing project just dropped out of my arse.
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I’ve yet to see anything with the “shit bricks” meme worthy of shitting bricks over.
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Nor have I. In fact, I made the secondary picture out without have to move back 5 meters.
In other news, LOLmeters. Use inches and feet or the terrorist win.
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For those of us that can’t back up 5 meters just take a photo editing program, or anything else, that lets you zoom out to around 20% or less.
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Or just hold Ctrl and roll the mouse wheel back…
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My god, back in my day—-
I’m just so gung-ho about taking old school measures to solving today’s problems… Forgive me.
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Bricks were shat. Who is the lady hiding behind Einstein?
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Marilyn Monroe.
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You dumb bastard! That’s not a schooner, it’s a sailboat!
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marilyn monroe = low frequency.
albert einstein = high frequency.you don’t need to get up or zoom out, just blur (blur = low-pass filter) to see marilyn. or, use a edge-find filer (= high-pass filter).
holy shit, you might have just learned something while on the internet.
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Haha, that totally worked. Took off my glasses and Marilyn was there plain as day.
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What the fuck is a meter?
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It’s like a yard, but there’s more of it.
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yeah i think they use that shit in france or something.
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Wait, what?
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Bedtime reading.
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Use of Papyrus and Comic Sans MS – fail.
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This would be funny if:
1. It wasn’t already an email that’s been circulating for over a decade
2. People hadn’t already shooped book covers out of them, instead of just the spines
3. The spines weren’t those of books WAY too thick to be children’s books.
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…I do believe you’re missing the point.
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Use of Papyrus and Comic Sans MS – fail.
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This would be funny if:
1. It wasn’t already an email that’s been circulating for over a decade
2. People hadn’t already shooped book covers out of them, instead of just the spines
3. The spines weren’t those of books WAY too thick to be children’s books.
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…I do believe you’re missing the point.
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Fuck you Ahmadinejad
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Yes, it’s shopped. It pleases me though.
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But only the finger.
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Gotta love those LDC’s and their presidential limos.
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LDC?
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Lesser Developed Country (If Iran qualifies- they got nukes).
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3 sighs for half wit photoshopping. Somewhere there’s an emaciated little vegan boy with a girl’s haircut who thinks himself quite intelligent for having made this. If only he knew where Iran even was.
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And somewhere there’s someone typing a comment on M[c]S that assumes (without any proof, might I add) that this pic wasn’t made by someone of Iranian origin that fled their home country because of the religious fascism of people like the goat in this picture.
And on the subject of this goat (actually, I suspect he’s the goatman of urban legends) I think a finger isn’t enough; he needs to be dealt with by Vlad the bloody Impaler.
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That’s quite a few assumptions Blondie.
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Yes, it’s shopped. It pleases me though.
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But only the finger.
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Gotta love those LDC’s and their presidential limos.
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LDC?
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Lesser Developed Country (If Iran qualifies- they got nukes).
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3 sighs for half wit photoshopping. Somewhere there’s an emaciated little vegan boy with a girl’s haircut who thinks himself quite intelligent for having made this. If only he knew where Iran even was.
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And somewhere there’s someone typing a comment on M[c]S that assumes (without any proof, might I add) that this pic wasn’t made by someone of Iranian origin that fled their home country because of the religious fascism of people like the goat in this picture.
And on the subject of this goat (actually, I suspect he’s the goatman of urban legends) I think a finger isn’t enough; he needs to be dealt with by Vlad the bloody Impaler.
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That’s quite a few assumptions Blondie.
Old school scout trooper.
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These are not the pixels you\’re looking for.
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Thank you, thank you.
I love it when my photoshops are bounced back at me via MyConfinedSpace (and I believe the original image came from here).
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Thank you, thank you.
I love it when my photoshops are bounced back at me via MyConfinedSpace (and I believe the original image came from here).
Red Paper Backs
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The ones kicking around my bedroom anyhow.
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That’s a really nice chair.
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Zombie Joe McCarthy is gonna rise up and chase you down.
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@dieAntagonista: only if you like hard chairs.
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@ColombianMonkey: Hard chairs are the best. Help you sit straight, keeps your butt firm, among other things.
Oh god I sound like my mother.
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@dieAntagonista: true but i rather this www.sumolounge.com/ i wish i had one right now.
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@ColombianMonkey: That looks incredibly silly. I wouldn’t want anything like that in my house. My furniture has to be made of only two things: wood and leather. Thank you very much.
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It’s a horrible chair, it’s normally covered in clothes, but they went onto the floor so I could take a picture that didn’t make my room look like a pig sty.
@Nimbo: Yeah, I guess everyone who writes a book on communism makes it red. It’s not particularly indicative of my reading habits.
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@dieAntagonista: i feel you, but when you lie down on this. is like you are lying down on a cloud.
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@dieAntagonista: And hard chairs amplify your farts
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Hard chairs are the way to go, dude.
Ever tried hitting someone with a sumo lounger?
Tri-cky.
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okay dieA this one then www.sumolounge.com/sumosacG.php?re=na i’m sure it will do allot of things your hard chair cannot. other than hitting people with it.
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@ColombianMonkey: That would be so cool for the den.
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@dieAntagonista: You’ve never sat in a LayZBoy. LayZBoy chairs are the best.
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That’s a really nice chair.
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Zombie Joe McCarthy is gonna rise up and chase you down.
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@dieAntagonista: only if you like hard chairs.
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@ColombianMonkey: Hard chairs are the best. Help you sit straight, keeps your butt firm, among other things.
Oh god I sound like my mother.
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@dieAntagonista: true but i rather this www.sumolounge.com/ i wish i had one right now.
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@ColombianMonkey: That looks incredibly silly. I wouldn’t want anything like that in my house. My furniture has to be made of only two things: wood and leather. Thank you very much.
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It’s a horrible chair, it’s normally covered in clothes, but they went onto the floor so I could take a picture that didn’t make my room look like a pig sty.
@Nimbo: Yeah, I guess everyone who writes a book on communism makes it red. It’s not particularly indicative of my reading habits.
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@dieAntagonista: i feel you, but when you lie down on this. is like you are lying down on a cloud.
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@dieAntagonista: And hard chairs amplify your farts
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Hard chairs are the way to go, dude.
Ever tried hitting someone with a sumo lounger?
Tri-cky.
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okay dieA this one then www.sumolounge.com/sumosacG.php?re=na i’m sure it will do allot of things your hard chair cannot. other than hitting people with it.
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@ColombianMonkey: That would be so cool for the den.
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@dieAntagonista: You’ve never sat in a LayZBoy. LayZBoy chairs are the best.
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The tempation of R2D2
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I was bored.
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Indeed!
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Now it makes sense.
Why do we (spanish speaking folk) have to fuck up perfectly okay names? Ere Dos De Dos (R Two D Two) looks just how it sounds, fucking stupid.
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@Dreth: Don’t worry, we (english speaking folk) did the same fucking thing when Star Wars went expanded universe. Most of the novels refer to him as Artoo-Detoo.
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Afterthought: Perhaps this was to PREVENT people from finding his name limited by language basis and preemptively shoot down the hopes of anyone someday hoping to call him Eredosdedos.
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What’s TEMPATION?
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OK… I phail to see the temptation here… Or am i missing something?
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Missing something.
R2 is a robot, the dark side has all the best electronics – logically, R2 would be seduced by them, instead of the fleshy organic hippy nonsense of the Jedis and the rebellion.
(incidentally, he’s not called Eredosdedos in Spanish, I just added that because I thought it looked cooler than Artoo).
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Indeed!
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Now it makes sense.
Why do we (spanish speaking folk) have to fuck up perfectly okay names? Ere Dos De Dos (R Two D Two) looks just how it sounds, fucking stupid.
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@Dreth: Don’t worry, we (english speaking folk) did the same fucking thing when Star Wars went expanded universe. Most of the novels refer to him as Artoo-Detoo.
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Afterthought: Perhaps this was to PREVENT people from finding his name limited by language basis and preemptively shoot down the hopes of anyone someday hoping to call him Eredosdedos.
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What’s TEMPATION?
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OK… I phail to see the temptation here… Or am i missing something?
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Missing something.
R2 is a robot, the dark side has all the best electronics – logically, R2 would be seduced by them, instead of the fleshy organic hippy nonsense of the Jedis and the rebellion.
(incidentally, he’s not called Eredosdedos in Spanish, I just added that because I thought it looked cooler than Artoo).
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Mariusz Pudzianowski playing rugby
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Mariusz Pudzianowski, 5 times world\’s strongest man, plays on the flank. Apparently his 8-man is even bigger.
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Who needs pads eh?
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I’d be more worried about an old guy with a face like that running at me full-speed than the muscles.
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I’m the Juggernaut bitch!
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Run for the hills!
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Mariusz Pudzianowski is not only a HUGE soccer fan, but he is also very fond of kittens, springtime flowers, and ladies undergarments…
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This dude just looks like a monster. I would hate to be in his path.
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I want to have his children.
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LOL i’m betting peeps be wincng just thinking about getting tackled…
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Kinda looks like Popeye
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id flash him my penis and then poke him in the eye
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@pvdlkccfzs: lol
Yeah, you may as well be made of crepe paper, trying to stop this dude.
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Who needs pads eh?
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I’d be more worried about an old guy with a face like that running at me full-speed than the muscles.
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I’m the Juggernaut bitch!
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Run for the hills!
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Mariusz Pudzianowski is not only a HUGE soccer fan, but he is also very fond of kittens, springtime flowers, and ladies undergarments…
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This dude just looks like a monster. I would hate to be in his path.
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I want to have his children.
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LOL i’m betting peeps be wincng just thinking about getting tackled…
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Kinda looks like Popeye
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id flash him my penis and then poke him in the eye
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@pvdlkccfzs: lol
Yeah, you may as well be made of crepe paper, trying to stop this dude.
Israeli apartheid wall graffiti
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And one in London. More at www.banksy.co.uk/
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wouldn’t “Terrorist & Suicide Bomber Prevention Barricade” be a more correct way to refer to it?
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Call it what you will, it keeps Arabs and Jews apart, that is Apartheid.
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Master artist.
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Banksy is more or less awesome.
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A wall doesn’t keep Arabs and Jews apart, lobbing missles from Gaza does.
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What was the excuse before the missiles started then?
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The Israelis clean up the walls of the ghettos so fucking fast, he must have taken those photos as soon as he finished.
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You should read a history book, it would do you some good.
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I have read many history books on the subject, perhaps you should read one not written by Zionists. Qassam rockets were first launched in 2001, the wall was already there, the Palestinians already lived on reservations, occupied by a government that doesn’t recognise them and without a state of their own.
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@JamesTuskGeorge: Your frequent accusations about “Zionists” in any thread on Israel clearly shows you to be a nut case. So there’s clearly no reason to listen to anything you might say. You’re just a troll who’s programmed to spout “Zionists!!” in any thread on Israel.
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And maybe you should stop being a racist piece of shit. Obviously you hate jews. I’m willing to bet you are either some militant muslim fuckwad. One who has nothing better to do than perpetuate stereotypes about what is more or less an OK religion that gets twisted by the media and madmen. OR you are some neo-nazi shithead OR you are jumping on the “it’s trendy to hate israel” bandwagon. So i assume the people at McDougal Littell/houghton mifflin are zionists? Is everybody that doesn’t admonish israel a zionist? I’m guessing all the news corporations in america are zionist too. Anyone who doesn’t hate israel is a zionist right?
Again BACK UP YOUR FUCKING ARGUMENTS. APARTHEID EXISTS IN ISRAEL? FIND ME LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS AND LAWS THAT PROVE IT.
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@thelotuseater725: Wait, are telling me the news corporations in america AREN’T all zionist??
Next your going to say the banks aren’t all owned by lucifer-worshipping jewish mystics.
Quit shattering my paranoid delusions! I need them to keep me confused and afraid!
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DAMN YOU SYLVANISH! I should get on my Jewnigraph and let the rest of the jewish nation know that you have blown the whistle on our efforts! *flys away in hindenberg replica, to go do 9/11*
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@thelotuseater725: I’m not racist, I don’t hate Jews. You want proof of apartheid? Look up, there’s a wall, it separates the people. The International Court of Justice finds it in contravention of international law , it is an apartheid wall. It’s also miles long and many feet high and can be seen from space. How much more evidence do you want?
I am not muslim, nor and I twisted by the media, I am an academic, I was studying the Arab Israeli conflict 10 years ago, I have a bookshelf full of works from Benny Morris and Avi Shlaim to All that Remains by Walid Khalidi and have tapped the libraries of some of the best universities there are.
You can do nothing but claim racism and anti-semitism, yet Israel’s right to respond to rocket fire does not mean that Israel has a right to do whatever they like to the inhabitants of Gaza. Look at the cause of the rockets, it is because the population are occupied and live under rule of a foreign power, Isreal, all borders controlled with no rights and miserable conditions. Does that mean the rocket are just? NO! I, and all sane people, condemn the rockets and those who fire them. Yet collective punishment on the people of Gaza for the rockets is to be condemed too, and the reasons for the rockets must be examined and addressed in order for peace to be found.
Simply shouting “racism” “no evidence” while condoning artilery and air strikes against dense population centres is not going to bring peace, quite the opposite.
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@NoOneInParticular: You might want to read some Israeli sources such as newspapers. Even the Isreali government describe themselves as Zionist, it is not my term and I don’t use it in any perjorative sense.
Go to the Isreali government’s webpage at www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/history/modern%20history/centenary%20of%20zionism/ and learn about Zionism, if I am an nut for talking of Zionism, then so are all the current Israeli cabinet and the vast majority of Israeli politicians since the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.
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@JamesTuskGeorge: So a wall on the border of the palestinian lands is apartheid? James i asked you to provide specific legislation that explicitly states that Palestinians are not meant to integrate or live on Israeli land. I did not ask you to show me a wall that was put up with the purpose of protecting both Israelis and Palestinians from militant factions. Walls that were put up to prevent shootings, suicide bombings and other attacks. Israelis and Palestinians are free to move in between borders so long as they do not have the intent of killing other people. Sure it doesn’t offer total protection from rocket and mortar attack.
Is it an appropriate measure? Well that is debatable, both sides lose but their is statistical evidence that shows there is (This i can not back up 100% because all of the links i had are dead now so i feel no offense at taking it with a grain of salt.). Is it a racist measure meant for the soul purpose of oppressing the palestinians or for instituting Apartheid? No.
www.voanews.com/english/archive/2002-06/a-2002-06-14-17-Israel.cfm
Ghassan Katib is right, israel shouldn’t be putting their forces and defenses on Palestinian land. But what do you expect them to do? The Israelis are under constant threat from Hamas and Hezbollah. And even palestine is under threat from militant/overzealous israelis. Granted you rarely, if ever, hear about jews organizing and suicide bombing palestinian pizza parlors and schools. Do you honestly think the israeli governemnt is thrilled about having to make decisions that are more or less political suicide? Do you honestly think they are doing this just because they simply “don’t like” Palestinians? It would be stupid to think so considering the Palestinians aren’t attacking israel because they “plain ol’ hate jews.” The people that are attacking israel are the fucktarded militant islamic groups that have conned the people into electing them. The palestinians and the jews were living fine when it was still palestine and there are jews who live just fine among the palestinians and vice versa. The fact is both the Palestinian territories and Israel flourish is economic prosperity from their tourism industries alone. When either side is attacking eachother they lose.
To suggest that putting up a fence is apartheid is like saying that owning a jet is an act of war.
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its easier to just simply kill all the jews and let the Palestinians have the land, then there wont be any more conflict over there
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Ok kommissar, i an convinced you are just a troll at this point. There is no way in hell anybody is that stupid without being so for the sake of ones own entertainment.
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@thelotuseater725: Hate to jump onto this bandwagon. Shit, Tiki knows these Middle Eastern Conflict posts garner a lot of attention; maybe he just keeps it up for the banner ads? They keep me coming back.
You say “To suggest putting up f…” and so on. To that, I say, To suggest that “a wall that was put up with the purpose of protecting both Israelis and Palestinians from militant factions” and 1. expect it to actually work and 2. to think that Palestinians are at all protected from militant factions (the Israeli military is a faction, whatever its intent) is CRAZY. Maybe not “Jews run the media” crazy, but crazy.
You’re right; it’s not for the sole purpose of instituting Apartheid. That is completely valid. Likely the Wall got passed partly because the populace was convinced it WOULD help against militant attacks (so far, not really working out so well) and so went for it, when it turns out the government has alternate but parallel goals for the maneuver. If you live in the United States, this should sound familiar.
It’s very easy to take the Israelis’ side on this, but it’s stupid. Very stupid, morally at least. They kill civilians just as readily as the Palestinians do. They do not take the high ground, they just do what the Palestinians do at Tier 4 instead of Tier 1 tech, for all you RTS nerds out there.
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Man that is just beautiful work…
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@thelotuseater725: You ask for specific legislation in Israel because you know this is none, apart from maybe the Citizenship and entry into Israel law which you would no doubt counter.
This is because the Israeli government isn’t stupid. However, ther need not be specific law for Apartheid to exist. After the US civil was there was, by law, no slavery and blacks had the right to vote. However, there were an awful lot of black fellas working in fields in identical conditions afterwards, and well into the last century blacks were denied the vote by a range of measures, all without a law saying it.
Lok at the demographics of any town in Israel and you see apartheid in practice. When there is the fact on the ground there is no need for documented evidence in government. After all, the Israeli supreme court ruled that foreign journalists would be allowed into Gaza, yet they have been kept out by Israel for this offensive. You can say that Israel let them in, because they court said to do so, but the reality of what is happening is far different.
If you look at daily life, there is separation. Nearly all the schools are separate, the hospitals are separate, there are checkpoints for Jews that Arabs may not use, and the Arab checkpoints are closed randomly, leaving those who need to cross through them stranded on whichever side they are on.
There is the “law of return”, any Jew may go to Israel and settle there, yet Israel refuses to allow a right of return to the refugees that it ejected in the wake of 1948 and 1967. Many of these still live in refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan, refused citizenship and a state.
How can a rational person not call this apartheid, how can you turn a blind eye to it all and say that Palestinians are simply all terrorists, that hate Israel because they are racists who hate Jews?
www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1950_1959/Law+of+Return+5710-1950.htm
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@JamesTuskGeorge: Don’t be silly, it seems you don’t understand anything of what you represent.
Apartheid – racial segregation and discrimination. Jews and Arabs are from the same race – Semite !!
Make the conclusion, stupid.
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Where the fuck did my Banksy post go? It had large amounts of win. This post also includes said win.
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@JamesTuskGeorge: Shut up loser, before we build a firewall around you!
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@AlecDalek: Silence dissenters, shout “racist piece of shit”, “neo nazi”, “nut case”, “stupid”, “loser”, threaten them, ridicule them, do whatever it takes, but don’t listen to them, don’t acknowledge there are two sides, there is only our side, and the only facts are the ones we say there are.
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Hey everyone: raise your hand if you’ve ever read any of the Hamas charter!
The reason the wall isn’t an apartheid wall and the policy behind it isnt “apartheid” either is that the blacks in south africa didnt have the aim of exterminating all of the whites. Hamas and Fatah have the stated aim of the extermination of all of the Israelis. If that is “understandable” or “justifiable” or “only natural” then so too is every single settlement israel ever built. If the issue for you is Israel’s existence, then you are anti-immigrant on principal and should be opposing every non-native American, Australian, and New Zealander’s (to name a few) claim to the land they now inhabit. Israel wants to exist. Her actions do not exist in a vacuum. The “Resistance” to the occupation isnt so if it’s targets are Israeli civilians regardless of their political beliefs. There are even anti-zionist Israeli citizens but all are targets of Fatah and Hamas. Hamas for instance doesnt name “israelis” as its target but “Jews” and it doesn’t limit its imperial goals to Israel proper. They also want to take down the Christians, the Masons, The Rotary Club, and others. Go read their charter.
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Dude, stop it with the facts, you’re hurting people’s feelings.
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@American Perv: I have read Hamas’ charter and condemn them. Yet still they were formed in response to Israeli occupation and whether or not they exist and whatever they do does not excuse Israel’s actions.
As Sir Gerald Kaufman, member of the British parliament just said in the House of Commons, “My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town. A German soldier shot her dead in her bed. My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza.”
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7834700.stm
Saying that what Israel is doing is wrong in no way condones or legitimises what Hamas is doing, they can, and should, both be condemned. The answer will not be found by demonising one side and praising the other though.
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Mini-schnauzer: I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.
If you want to talk about hurting people’s feelings, consider the following: challenging the legitimacy of Israel’s self defense means siding with genocidal racists and legitimizing their cause. I have friends and family in Israel that I would like to see unharmed.
Furthermore if you or the rest of you really cared about the Palestinians you’d care how the rest of the Muslim world treats them. Thats the real apartheid, with limits on civil rights, movement, economic participation, and plumbing. Look at Lebanon if you don’t believe me.
If you justify Hamas and Fatah then you are admiting that this was never about the Palestinians in the first place. This is about the genocide of Israel’s citizens. Before the first intifada, Israel invested in the occupied land. They built schools, homes, infrastructure, hospitals. When terrorist violence started, Israel began disengaging and persuing policies that protected its own. The world cried “APARTHEID!!” even then, as if these actions existed in a vacuum. If Fatah and Hamas are so concerned about Palestinian suffering, they’ll quit their terrorism. They have no right to strike at Israeli civilians.
The anti war movement used to try to veil the fact that it was anti-Jewish, not just anti-Israel. Now you go to an anti-war rally anywhere on earth and you’ll see slogans supporting the killing of Jews. “Jews are terrorist!” “attack all Zionist businesses!” “Throw the Jews down the Well” “Jews control America” etc. And yet these same people get all irate when we call Arabs terrorists, which is equally unfair.
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Hamas uses human shields and brags about it:
www.road90.com/watch.php?id=vqj3CnvcIg_
and here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2G1TZKerTo&feature=PlayList&p=8F5EE42C42A06B5C& ;playnext=1&index=3
Some of these people do it voluntarily and thus are combatants.
If you cared so much about the Palestinians, you would want Hamas to quit their fighting. If this was only about the occupation, there wouldn’t be so much violence. Hamas’s aims are genocidal and they put their own people in harm’s way on purpose: it makes great headlines when Pal civilians die.
To oppose the war and not oppose Hamas is to take their side.
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@JamesTuskGeorge: No, no, no. You. You SHUT UP. I couldn’t give a damn about anyone in the middle east. You are free to say whatever you want, but so am I, and I say you are full of shit. Everything you’ve typed? Bullshit. But we are all getting a good laugh so keep up the good work!
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@JamesTuskGeorge: You’re 100% correct and I appreciate your efforts to educate the masses here.
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@NoOneInParticular: Knee-jerk calling anyone who doesn’t support Israel’s never ending racist campaign a racist is very LOL-trolling. Zionism is an actual political philosophy with actually adherents, but it’s understandable certain people don’t want to discuss how completely nuts it is.
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@conan776: Ah yes, Zionism. Thanks to Ahmadinejad, the world how has a new way to hate the Jews, but pretend like they don’t. All Zionism is is a reaction to thousands of years of persecution culminating with the Holocaust. They want to make sure their people are never hurt in this way again, and they are sick of all the BS they have to put up with from the asshole Arabs. It’s self preservation, and long overdue.
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@AlecDalek: LOL wat? I don’t know what the current President of Iran has to do with the 120 year old nationalist movement which caused this 60-year long civil war. I’m sure if Iran built a time machine Israel would be first in line to blow it up. But as for the actual situation, winning a war is easy, it’s winning the peace that’s hard. Apartheid and embargoes and concentration camps just isn’t the right way to do that. I have to wonder if there hadn’t been the Holocaust in Europe whether the Zionists would have gone ahead with their own “Final Solution” for the “Palestinian problem” by now.
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@conan776: A while back Ahmadinejad made a claim that he hates Zionists, but loves the Jews. He arranged photo ops of Rabbi’s holding anti-Zionist signs and held a big conference where he invited Jews to come an discuss what to do about the Zionists, etc. Since then, I started seeing a fad where people would say they like the Jews, but hate Zionists. Most of them didn’t even understand what that really means.
And if the Jews had wanted them dead, they would have done it already. They just want them to stop launching fucking missiles and strapping bombs onto their retards!
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@AlecDalek: Please, you do not speak for me. The only person I’m laughing at is you.
Condemning one side does not mean supporting the other. It’s precisely this mindset that got America into Iraq, which has thus far been a terrible decision we’re all just looking for a polite way to back out of.
Other people here calmly and quietly agree with JamesTuskGeorge, while you have to call him a racist sympathizer, conspiracy theorist, and many other names you have no factual basis for. This is how a child acts when she cannot rationalize something.
Also, the Zionist movement that JamesTuskGeorge is talking about isn’t the crazy “Jews Run Everything” theory that some vicious anti-Semites fabricated a pamphlet for before WWII. It’s simply a way to sum up the Israel nationalist movement, and everything their government has done to secure Israel, for better or for worse, over the past 120 years.
I personally think they did it to try to kick off the Apocalypse after the horror of WWI, and damnit they’ve done a good job, but that’s just a theory.
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@ieattime20: Whoa, it’s amazing how much bullshit you and spew. Must be like 1000 Psi. Amazing!
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@AlecDalek: Childish. Insubstantive. Inflammatory. Relying on emotive power instead of factual basis. Straw man. Red herring. Begging the question.
And it’s bullshit I spew?
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@AlecDalek: I don’t even hate Zionists. I wouldn’t really give two figs about the whole situation if billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars weren’t going to Israel to perpetuate this mess. www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/01/16/gaza_invasion/
If the U.S. collapsed tomorrow, and the Italians of Massachusetts suddenly became fevered nationalists, and decided to ship all the Irish off to reservations, then, when we proved inadequate wage-slave day laborers, walled all of us, including myself and my family, off from the rest of civilization, and then ended supply shipments in of anything more luxurious than gruel, I’d be launching missiles and anything else I could get my hands on over the wall too. You reap what you sow.
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the walling-off and checkpoints etc. are because since ’48 the Pals and have been trying to ethnically cleanse Israel. It may surprise you that I’m not thrilled about what happened when Israel was created. However it misses the point which is that it is there now and has been for a few generations. Forcible removal of a large population is ethnic cleansing, as I’m sure you’ll agree. Some people still have a double standard when they say “DESTROY ISRAEL!” as if its ok if the Palestinians and Arabs are doing it but not OK if the Israelis are doing it. I say its not ok if anyone does it. The world holds Israel to a higher than normal standard and holds the Palestinians to no standard whatsoever. To call the Gaza wall or any security measure in the West Bank “apartheid” is to deliberately ignore the context in which they exist; it delegitimizes Israel’s effort to protect its own and is thus is passively saying that Palestinian murder of Israeli civilians should go on unchecked. If the Palestinians can behave themselves, there will be no wall or lock down or blockade. Simple as that. Fatah and Hamas want to ethnically cleanse Israel.
As for reaping what one sows, this is from a Blogger friend of mine:
One of the usual responses by Palestinian Arabs to terror attacks – besides celebration
and joy – is to tell the West that these attacks are a “natural reaction” to
“Zionist crimes.”
Hamas used those words yesterday as they praised the attack, and a Firas Press op-ed said
the same thing this morning.
No one seems to notice that only the Arabs are allowed to “naturally” murder.
Israel doesn’t have that luxury – its acts must withstand the tightest scrutiny before
even being decided upon. Those evil Zionists cannot naturally believe in revenge or
murder because those are, well, evil. But the poor oppressed Palestinian Arabs are
naturally allowed to act aggressively.
In other words, those who defend terror attacks in this way are telling the world that
all Palestinian Arabs simply do not have the same capacity for free will that the
Zionists have.
The defenders and justifiers of terror are the racists, openly saying that Palestinian
Arabs cannot act like adults – they are children or animals or mentally disabled people
who cannot be blamed for acting in bad ways because they do not have the mental
capabilities to think soberly and logically. Only the hated Jews have that ability, you
see.
So only the Jews can be blamed for any civilian deaths, because they are the adults and
know better. The Palestinian Arabs aren’t.
The world buys into this farce to some extent, always assuming that the Israelis have
more ability to act in a logical manner than Arabs can, and therefore asking more
concessions from the adults than from the slightly defective children.
Only Israel seems to expect Arabs to act as adults, as people who understand the concept
of responsibility and who realize that actions have consequences. For everyone else,
including the Arabs themselves, the Arab world can act as it pleases because it simply
does not have the maturity that the Jews do.
Arabs acting like animals is “natural,” according to their defenders. Isn’t
that as racist as can be?
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@conan776: Yes, both sides should have to fund their own war games. Then again, the Americans sure seem to like trying out their new weaponry in the middle east (after they were kicked out of South-East Asia). They are such enablers.
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@American Perv: Posting the words of your blogger friend is a massive straw man. I condem Palestinian terrorists, I hold them to account, they are criminals who are hunted, and when caught pay the price for their actions. This is just, this is right.
However, condeming Palestinian terrorists, such as those in Hamas, does not mean that Israel has a free hand to kill all Palestinians, nor to keep them on reservations, not even second class citizens, they are non-citizens, without state, without rights, without any hope of a future. Palestinian Children have done no wrong, their parents have nowhere they can take them from the violence, they are trapped, they are killed, they do no deserve to die, they are innocents.
Hamas does want the Jews out of Israel, yes, and if they managed this it would be ethnic cleansing, yes. However, they have not even the slightest dream of achieving this, innaccurate home-made rockets against tanks, artilery, planes, helicopter strikes, and a professional army suppied with state of the art equipment.
Israel makes a big pretense of not wanting to ethically cleanse the land, yet this is exactly what it has achieved, the Palesinians live behind concrete walls, their land occupied, and the right of return refused to them.
I condemn Hamas, but before Hamas even existed Israel had condemned all Palestinians, and still condemns them, and this is wrong.
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I took this pic this past weekend when I was in NYC. They were everywhere. I think this one was on the BQE, west bound.
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@jamestuskgeorge:
I will reply to you in a bit. I haven’t forgotten.
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@nyokki – all i have to say to that is “so?” Saying that the way the sign does falsely attributes those words to an ethnic group with a wide array of opinions. It would be equally fallacious to say that all Jews support Israel.
It may surprise you to know that Israel actually has about as much freedom of speech as the US does. There are anti-zionist Israelis, Marxists, Leninist, Stalinists, Holocaust deniers, flat-earth believers, secularists, Arab and Palestinian-sympathizing Jewish Israelis too. They aren’t persecuted by the government in any way. There’s a joke in Israel that the Israelis and Palestinians have at least one thing in common: they are both allowed to criticize the Israeli government equally.
@jamestuskgeorge:
Ethnic cleansing consists of extermination and/or explusion. Israel hasn’t done either. Please get your terms right.
I would agree with you that Hamas doesnt have a chance of achieving it’s genocidal goals. I think they know it too, and they are profiting off of that fact. If they lay down their arms and actually tried to govern, they would have to answer for the fact that they are incompetent at it. They don’t invest in infrastructure, they don’t allow many civil rights. They impose more restrictions than even Fatah does.
I think I might have said all of this before but I think i have to say it again:
Fatah doesnt really want a Palestinian state. It is entirely questionable that they even want to destroy Israel and for one reason: if Israel ceased to exist, there would be no distraction from the fact that Fatah has been exploiting the Palestinians and oppressing them continuously since before even the 6 day war.
About the plight of the average Palestinian, I agree, they are suffering and live in shitty conditions. Thing is, what is Israel supposed to do? They put that security squeeze on the Pals because without it, the terrorist Pals would blow themselves up in markets, schools, buses, and night clubs. Before they did suicide bombing, they would take hostages and murder them. Before the six day war, they did hit and run attacks too. If Israel didn’t have the occupation with it’s security checkpoints and all that, the terrorists would run rampant and no Israeli would be safe. The terrorists know this too. They know they can’t win militarily so they do what they do so Israel will put the squeeze on the Pal civilians – which the complicit world press views in a vacuum and this kills Israel’s image in the world. Terrorism is basically a device for endangering your own side for political gain. It’s quite ingenious when you think about it.
A side note: between the ’48 war and the Six Day War, Jordan and Egypt illegally occupied the West Bank and Gaza respectively. Where was the world’s outrage about that? Where was the Palestinian outrage? When Arafat helped in the six day war, he wasnt fighting to liberate the territories. he was fighting to destroy Israel.
If the world gave a rat’s ass about the Pal civilians, they wouldnt keep giving money to Fatah and Hamas. Those two don’t distribute the aid.
This was never about the Pal civilians and you know it. The muslim world knows it, the West knows it, and most importantly, a sizable minority of Palestinians know it. However we never hear from them because they get shot if they speak out.
Yes the Palestinian civilians are suffering under the occupation. If you merely say “stop the occupation,” and ignore the rest of it, then I am more pro-Palestinian than you.
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@American Perv: ¶Really?! Are you sure? I always assumed that Jews and Israelis were a monolithic society.¶
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@nyokki: LOL…
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@nyokki – I’ve been over there. I’ve seen it for myself. Don’t believe everything you read. Go see it first hand.
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Show me one society on earth that is monolithic in it’s politics. I dare you.
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@American Perv: ¶Oh, I wish I could travel the world and be as informed as you. Unfortunately I’m stuck in redneck West (by God) Virginny.¶
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@nyokki: Your sarcasms, they give me really bad laugh spasms. smsms. ♥
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@nyokki: ROFL… You’re slaying me over here Nyokki…
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@American Perv: Send me the tickets and I’m there. ¶I promise I’ll write a full report w/ a synopsis for you.¶
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@nyokki:
Whatever dude. Good luck finding accurate stuff. If you go to the muslim world, you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone willing to speak out against the party line. A) all they know is what their fascist media, and the complicit western media give them, and b) if they do contradict the line, they get shot.
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@American Perv: Were you dropped on your head as a baby or were you just born stupid?
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@nyokki: Ouch… How ’bout we all be frank here eh? ROFL…
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@Phyreblade: Remember riverdale? Good entertainment is hard to get sometimes.
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@nyokki:
Respond to the substance of my post or admit stupidity yourself.
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@nyokki: Aaahh… entertainment… LOL I guess you get it where you can find it, or drum it up yourself, eh?
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@American Perv: I just did.
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@Phyreblade: 5 to tie, 6 to get on the list.
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@nyokki: you didnt reply to the substance of what I said. YOu just called me stupid. Resorting to insult isnt substantive debate. Its the sort of thing one does when they can’t think of anything else to say. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt.
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@American Perv: All I originally did was post a pic of a real sign I found in the middle of a very orthodox section of Brooklyn. I made no moral claims about it. I gave no judgment of it. You’re answer was “so?”. You’re an idiot that thinks he understands everything, but every word you type proves otherwise. You attack me as if I disagreed w/ you, when in fact I was making fun of you. Again, you’ve shown yourself too moronic to understand the concept. You are not deserving of a substantive answer. You’re worthy only of my scorn…and that you have…in spades. Enjoy.
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in case you havnt noticed, it wasnt entirely obvious to me that it was anything but serious. Sarcasm isn’t always transparent on the interwebs. Everyone makes mistakes.
What’s wrong with “so?”?
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re: ‘So?”
you’re taking htis strangely as far as I can tell right now. I’m trying to figure out what the big deal is. So i didnt get the joke. So what? I’m so used to being in fight-mode about this subject that its hard to get humor about it. This is a big deal to me.
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@American Perv: h dear, you’re confused.
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err *Oh* durrrrrh
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Meh it happens. I have fallen into the sarchasm apparently.
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weheartit.com/images/20090131093054.jpg
Everyone knows that all peaceful intelligent Jews are against Israel. This is such a factual fact, they should put it in the dictionaries right next to the word Jew, it should be part of their definition.
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@dieAnatagonista:
Have you read anything i’ve said in this thread? At all? Perhaps a partial recap is in order: the palestinian governments and terrorist groups want genocide. They use the conflict to help them stay in power. They steal all of the aid money. A lot of the human shields are voluntary and thus combatants. If you’re so concerned about the Palestinians you’d care about that but its all israel’s fault to you. Apparently I am more pro-Pal than you.
Israel is much more careful about not killing civilians than any other nation on earth. Compare to America and other countries in Iraq and Afganistan, Russia in Chechnya and Georgia, pick your african conflict, and the list goes on. Where’s your outrage about other conflicts with higher body counts? Where’s your outrage about the stuff the Palestinians want to do? You’re not against ethnic cleansing or the death of civilians. You’re only agianst the death of Palestinian civilians. You’re basically telling me that the Israelis don’t have the right to stop people from trying to kill them in schools, malls, nightclubs, buses, and homes. You’re telling me that its OK that the Pal terrorists launch attacks from within densely populated areas on purpose. You don’t care about human rights at all. Not Israeli, not Palestinian, nobody’s human rights.
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Congratulations. You failed basic logic. Twice. I was being sarcastic. Jesus Christ.
You think you are so fair and only you know what’s going on. Well guess what, not all people agree with you and that doesn’t mean they’re automatically monsters or that they want anyone to die.
I am Jewish and I disagree with Israel, they have an army and they kill people. Doesn’t matter if it’s to defend themselves or not, but to have an army based on a RELIGION? No no and no. I support Israel in terms of bringing about peace in that area, but I will never believe that Israel had any right to exist. And there’s nothing you can do about that.
If you are truly interested in what intelligent people have to say about this, from a neutral view point, then watch this short 4 minute video and tell me if there’s anything you disagree with what they say: www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Jk1kpKvfs
I doubt you can say anything against that. And you will understand that’s not easy for dirty Muslim Arabs who just want to kill Jews.
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Your sarcasm wasnt transparent to me. Given the general tone of your arguments on the subject it’s difficult not to take what you say seriously.
I will watch the video tomorrow. Can’t do it now.
Israel doesnt have an army based on a religion. You’re getting it confused with the muslim countries. What the heck are you talking about?
And where’s your outrage at theocratic regimes who are worse human rights offenders? Where’s the public outcry about all of the muslim on christian violence throughout the muslim world?
If you’re against israel’s right to exist, are you also against muslim immigrants to Europe? or any immigrants to anywhere? No? Then you have a moral double standard that is suspect.
The Palestinian cultural leaders were collaborating with the Nazis. If they didn’t set up Israel, the arabs would’ve ethnically cleansed the region of Jews, some whose families had been there for most of a hundred years, some whose families were there dating all the way back.
Also if you’re against Israel’s right to exist, why arent you against the existential rights of every country in north and south america as well as Australia?
More thoughts to come.
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Also don’t forget that the Jewish settlers in the region that is now Israel, (we’re talking from the mid-1800′s to Israel’s creation) weren’t colonists but refugees from oppression in europe for the most part.
I don’t yet know how you feel about this but if you’re against their right to have settled there, perhaps you should do some anthropological research and figure out where the people in your bloodline started out and go back there.
If you’re anti-israel’s existence then you’re pro-ethnic cleansing. There’s no way around it.
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Israel has made the same mistake the US has made. They’re blurring the line between the good guys and bad guys. They/We can no longer claim to be the morally upstanding nations that only go to war in defense of our nation. It is no longer clear to other nations (that at one time were allies of like mind regarding the arab/muslim nations) that Israel and the US are acting in self defense.
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@American Perv: “If you’re anti-israel’s existence then you’re pro-ethnic cleansing. There’s no way around it.” –> See, it’s because you keep making retarded statements like that, that you are being called stupid.
@American Perv: Where do you get that idea from? Fox news? CNN? That whole 2 point statement you made was just dripping with shite. Have you seen Where In The World Is Osama Bin Laden? Where Morgan Spurlock goes there, on his own, without any political bias and talks to people in several different countries around the area, from Afghanistan, to Israel, to Pakistan, and he essentially proves what you said there as being completely wrong. Except in Saudi Arabia.
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@American Perv: Or were you talking about Americans?
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@dieAntagonista: My Favorite thing about that vid:
Bubbles the Nerd Fighting Puppy, giving us the “‘scuse me, but wth r u doin?” look…
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@American Perv: The fact that a person has vocal outrage about one horror doesn’t mean they have nothing to say about other ones going on at the same time. One cannot argue that ‘what you’re saying is invalid because you haven’t argued it for every possible case and scenario’. This has been about Palestine and Israel. Not every genocide going on in the world. How would one even argue at that level? You’d be so bogged down no argument could even be brought forth. So let’s stick to the single argument and stop trying to spin us around w/ irrelevant data and spurious argument.
If you can’t do that, I’ll just go back to making fun of you for having an extra chromosome.
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@nyokki: at that level it becomes philosophy. Such as was entertained by the Romans, in times of luxurious repose.
Also the Greeks, in times of pederast.
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@sylvanish: Right, and when one argues philosophy, it becomes an abstract. You stop arguing the particulars of a particular example of a scenario and speak more in generalities.
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@nyokki: Wisdom. Meanwhile the city burns while we play the fiddle.
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@sylvanish: ‘Tis a most unfortunate truth.
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@JamesTuskGeorge: I think you failed to recall (if in fact you read it…) that what led to the construction of this barrier was a murderous campaign during the 90′s led by Hamas and Yasser Arafat. Where suicide bombers, arriving from the west bank, killed hundreds of innocent civilians in buses, restaurants, pubs, out on the streets…
Oh, and by the way, in case you wonder – once the barrier construction was accomplished – the carnage stopped!
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@sshiff: So the Palestinians should have built a wall around the Jews when Irgun and Lehi were blowing people up in the 30s and 40s? Collective punishment is not the answer, the reasons for the terrorism need to be addressed.
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wouldn’t “Terrorist & Suicide Bomber Prevention Barricade” be a more correct way to refer to it?
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Call it what you will, it keeps Arabs and Jews apart, that is Apartheid.
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Master artist.
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Banksy is more or less awesome.
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A wall doesn’t keep Arabs and Jews apart, lobbing missles from Gaza does.
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What was the excuse before the missiles started then?
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The Israelis clean up the walls of the ghettos so fucking fast, he must have taken those photos as soon as he finished.
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You should read a history book, it would do you some good.
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I have read many history books on the subject, perhaps you should read one not written by Zionists. Qassam rockets were first launched in 2001, the wall was already there, the Palestinians already lived on reservations, occupied by a government that doesn’t recognise them and without a state of their own.
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@JamesTuskGeorge: Your frequent accusations about “Zionists” in any thread on Israel clearly shows you to be a nut case. So there’s clearly no reason to listen to anything you might say. You’re just a troll who’s programmed to spout “Zionists!!” in any thread on Israel.
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And maybe you should stop being a racist piece of shit. Obviously you hate jews. I’m willing to bet you are either some militant muslim fuckwad. One who has nothing better to do than perpetuate stereotypes about what is more or less an OK religion that gets twisted by the media and madmen. OR you are some neo-nazi shithead OR you are jumping on the “it’s trendy to hate israel” bandwagon. So i assume the people at McDougal Littell/houghton mifflin are zionists? Is everybody that doesn’t admonish israel a zionist? I’m guessing all the news corporations in america are zionist too. Anyone who doesn’t hate israel is a zionist right?
Again BACK UP YOUR FUCKING ARGUMENTS. APARTHEID EXISTS IN ISRAEL? FIND ME LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS AND LAWS THAT PROVE IT.
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@thelotuseater725: Wait, are telling me the news corporations in america AREN’T all zionist??
Next your going to say the banks aren’t all owned by lucifer-worshipping jewish mystics.
Quit shattering my paranoid delusions! I need them to keep me confused and afraid!
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DAMN YOU SYLVANISH! I should get on my Jewnigraph and let the rest of the jewish nation know that you have blown the whistle on our efforts! *flys away in hindenberg replica, to go do 9/11*
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@thelotuseater725: I’m not racist, I don’t hate Jews. You want proof of apartheid? Look up, there’s a wall, it separates the people. The International Court of Justice finds it in contravention of international law , it is an apartheid wall. It’s also miles long and many feet high and can be seen from space. How much more evidence do you want?
I am not muslim, nor and I twisted by the media, I am an academic, I was studying the Arab Israeli conflict 10 years ago, I have a bookshelf full of works from Benny Morris and Avi Shlaim to All that Remains by Walid Khalidi and have tapped the libraries of some of the best universities there are.
You can do nothing but claim racism and anti-semitism, yet Israel’s right to respond to rocket fire does not mean that Israel has a right to do whatever they like to the inhabitants of Gaza. Look at the cause of the rockets, it is because the population are occupied and live under rule of a foreign power, Isreal, all borders controlled with no rights and miserable conditions. Does that mean the rocket are just? NO! I, and all sane people, condemn the rockets and those who fire them. Yet collective punishment on the people of Gaza for the rockets is to be condemed too, and the reasons for the rockets must be examined and addressed in order for peace to be found.
Simply shouting “racism” “no evidence” while condoning artilery and air strikes against dense population centres is not going to bring peace, quite the opposite.
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@NoOneInParticular: You might want to read some Israeli sources such as newspapers. Even the Isreali government describe themselves as Zionist, it is not my term and I don’t use it in any perjorative sense.
Go to the Isreali government’s webpage at www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/history/modern%20history/centenary%20of%20zionism/ and learn about Zionism, if I am an nut for talking of Zionism, then so are all the current Israeli cabinet and the vast majority of Israeli politicians since the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.
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@JamesTuskGeorge: So a wall on the border of the palestinian lands is apartheid? James i asked you to provide specific legislation that explicitly states that Palestinians are not meant to integrate or live on Israeli land. I did not ask you to show me a wall that was put up with the purpose of protecting both Israelis and Palestinians from militant factions. Walls that were put up to prevent shootings, suicide bombings and other attacks. Israelis and Palestinians are free to move in between borders so long as they do not have the intent of killing other people. Sure it doesn’t offer total protection from rocket and mortar attack.
Is it an appropriate measure? Well that is debatable, both sides lose but their is statistical evidence that shows there is (This i can not back up 100% because all of the links i had are dead now so i feel no offense at taking it with a grain of salt.). Is it a racist measure meant for the soul purpose of oppressing the palestinians or for instituting Apartheid? No.
www.voanews.com/english/archive/2002-06/a-2002-06-14-17-Israel.cfm
Ghassan Katib is right, israel shouldn’t be putting their forces and defenses on Palestinian land. But what do you expect them to do? The Israelis are under constant threat from Hamas and Hezbollah. And even palestine is under threat from militant/overzealous israelis. Granted you rarely, if ever, hear about jews organizing and suicide bombing palestinian pizza parlors and schools. Do you honestly think the israeli governemnt is thrilled about having to make decisions that are more or less political suicide? Do you honestly think they are doing this just because they simply “don’t like” Palestinians? It would be stupid to think so considering the Palestinians aren’t attacking israel because they “plain ol’ hate jews.” The people that are attacking israel are the fucktarded militant islamic groups that have conned the people into electing them. The palestinians and the jews were living fine when it was still palestine and there are jews who live just fine among the palestinians and vice versa. The fact is both the Palestinian territories and Israel flourish is economic prosperity from their tourism industries alone. When either side is attacking eachother they lose.
To suggest that putting up a fence is apartheid is like saying that owning a jet is an act of war.
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its easier to just simply kill all the jews and let the Palestinians have the land, then there wont be any more conflict over there
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Ok kommissar, i an convinced you are just a troll at this point. There is no way in hell anybody is that stupid without being so for the sake of ones own entertainment.
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@thelotuseater725: Hate to jump onto this bandwagon. Shit, Tiki knows these Middle Eastern Conflict posts garner a lot of attention; maybe he just keeps it up for the banner ads? They keep me coming back.
You say “To suggest putting up f…” and so on. To that, I say, To suggest that “a wall that was put up with the purpose of protecting both Israelis and Palestinians from militant factions” and 1. expect it to actually work and 2. to think that Palestinians are at all protected from militant factions (the Israeli military is a faction, whatever its intent) is CRAZY. Maybe not “Jews run the media” crazy, but crazy.
You’re right; it’s not for the sole purpose of instituting Apartheid. That is completely valid. Likely the Wall got passed partly because the populace was convinced it WOULD help against militant attacks (so far, not really working out so well) and so went for it, when it turns out the government has alternate but parallel goals for the maneuver. If you live in the United States, this should sound familiar.
It’s very easy to take the Israelis’ side on this, but it’s stupid. Very stupid, morally at least. They kill civilians just as readily as the Palestinians do. They do not take the high ground, they just do what the Palestinians do at Tier 4 instead of Tier 1 tech, for all you RTS nerds out there.
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Man that is just beautiful work…
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@thelotuseater725: You ask for specific legislation in Israel because you know this is none, apart from maybe the Citizenship and entry into Israel law which you would no doubt counter.
This is because the Israeli government isn’t stupid. However, ther need not be specific law for Apartheid to exist. After the US civil was there was, by law, no slavery and blacks had the right to vote. However, there were an awful lot of black fellas working in fields in identical conditions afterwards, and well into the last century blacks were denied the vote by a range of measures, all without a law saying it.
Lok at the demographics of any town in Israel and you see apartheid in practice. When there is the fact on the ground there is no need for documented evidence in government. After all, the Israeli supreme court ruled that foreign journalists would be allowed into Gaza, yet they have been kept out by Israel for this offensive. You can say that Israel let them in, because they court said to do so, but the reality of what is happening is far different.
If you look at daily life, there is separation. Nearly all the schools are separate, the hospitals are separate, there are checkpoints for Jews that Arabs may not use, and the Arab checkpoints are closed randomly, leaving those who need to cross through them stranded on whichever side they are on.
There is the “law of return”, any Jew may go to Israel and settle there, yet Israel refuses to allow a right of return to the refugees that it ejected in the wake of 1948 and 1967. Many of these still live in refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan, refused citizenship and a state.
How can a rational person not call this apartheid, how can you turn a blind eye to it all and say that Palestinians are simply all terrorists, that hate Israel because they are racists who hate Jews?
www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1950_1959/Law+of+Return+5710-1950.htm
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@JamesTuskGeorge: Don’t be silly, it seems you don’t understand anything of what you represent.
Apartheid – racial segregation and discrimination. Jews and Arabs are from the same race – Semite !!
Make the conclusion, stupid.
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Where the fuck did my Banksy post go? It had large amounts of win. This post also includes said win.
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@JamesTuskGeorge: Shut up loser, before we build a firewall around you!
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@AlecDalek: Silence dissenters, shout “racist piece of shit”, “neo nazi”, “nut case”, “stupid”, “loser”, threaten them, ridicule them, do whatever it takes, but don’t listen to them, don’t acknowledge there are two sides, there is only our side, and the only facts are the ones we say there are.
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Hey everyone: raise your hand if you’ve ever read any of the Hamas charter!
The reason the wall isn’t an apartheid wall and the policy behind it isnt “apartheid” either is that the blacks in south africa didnt have the aim of exterminating all of the whites. Hamas and Fatah have the stated aim of the extermination of all of the Israelis. If that is “understandable” or “justifiable” or “only natural” then so too is every single settlement israel ever built. If the issue for you is Israel’s existence, then you are anti-immigrant on principal and should be opposing every non-native American, Australian, and New Zealander’s (to name a few) claim to the land they now inhabit. Israel wants to exist. Her actions do not exist in a vacuum. The “Resistance” to the occupation isnt so if it’s targets are Israeli civilians regardless of their political beliefs. There are even anti-zionist Israeli citizens but all are targets of Fatah and Hamas. Hamas for instance doesnt name “israelis” as its target but “Jews” and it doesn’t limit its imperial goals to Israel proper. They also want to take down the Christians, the Masons, The Rotary Club, and others. Go read their charter.
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Dude, stop it with the facts, you’re hurting people’s feelings.
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@American Perv: I have read Hamas’ charter and condemn them. Yet still they were formed in response to Israeli occupation and whether or not they exist and whatever they do does not excuse Israel’s actions.
As Sir Gerald Kaufman, member of the British parliament just said in the House of Commons, “My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town. A German soldier shot her dead in her bed. My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza.”
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7834700.stm
Saying that what Israel is doing is wrong in no way condones or legitimises what Hamas is doing, they can, and should, both be condemned. The answer will not be found by demonising one side and praising the other though.
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Mini-schnauzer: I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.
If you want to talk about hurting people’s feelings, consider the following: challenging the legitimacy of Israel’s self defense means siding with genocidal racists and legitimizing their cause. I have friends and family in Israel that I would like to see unharmed.
Furthermore if you or the rest of you really cared about the Palestinians you’d care how the rest of the Muslim world treats them. Thats the real apartheid, with limits on civil rights, movement, economic participation, and plumbing. Look at Lebanon if you don’t believe me.
If you justify Hamas and Fatah then you are admiting that this was never about the Palestinians in the first place. This is about the genocide of Israel’s citizens. Before the first intifada, Israel invested in the occupied land. They built schools, homes, infrastructure, hospitals. When terrorist violence started, Israel began disengaging and persuing policies that protected its own. The world cried “APARTHEID!!” even then, as if these actions existed in a vacuum. If Fatah and Hamas are so concerned about Palestinian suffering, they’ll quit their terrorism. They have no right to strike at Israeli civilians.
The anti war movement used to try to veil the fact that it was anti-Jewish, not just anti-Israel. Now you go to an anti-war rally anywhere on earth and you’ll see slogans supporting the killing of Jews. “Jews are terrorist!” “attack all Zionist businesses!” “Throw the Jews down the Well” “Jews control America” etc. And yet these same people get all irate when we call Arabs terrorists, which is equally unfair.
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Hamas uses human shields and brags about it:
www.road90.com/watch.php?id=vqj3CnvcIg_
and here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2G1TZKerTo&feature=PlayList&p=8F5EE42C42A06B5C& ;playnext=1&index=3
Some of these people do it voluntarily and thus are combatants.
If you cared so much about the Palestinians, you would want Hamas to quit their fighting. If this was only about the occupation, there wouldn’t be so much violence. Hamas’s aims are genocidal and they put their own people in harm’s way on purpose: it makes great headlines when Pal civilians die.
To oppose the war and not oppose Hamas is to take their side.
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@JamesTuskGeorge: No, no, no. You. You SHUT UP. I couldn’t give a damn about anyone in the middle east. You are free to say whatever you want, but so am I, and I say you are full of shit. Everything you’ve typed? Bullshit. But we are all getting a good laugh so keep up the good work!
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@JamesTuskGeorge: You’re 100% correct and I appreciate your efforts to educate the masses here.
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@NoOneInParticular: Knee-jerk calling anyone who doesn’t support Israel’s never ending racist campaign a racist is very LOL-trolling. Zionism is an actual political philosophy with actually adherents, but it’s understandable certain people don’t want to discuss how completely nuts it is.
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@conan776: Ah yes, Zionism. Thanks to Ahmadinejad, the world how has a new way to hate the Jews, but pretend like they don’t. All Zionism is is a reaction to thousands of years of persecution culminating with the Holocaust. They want to make sure their people are never hurt in this way again, and they are sick of all the BS they have to put up with from the asshole Arabs. It’s self preservation, and long overdue.
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@AlecDalek: LOL wat? I don’t know what the current President of Iran has to do with the 120 year old nationalist movement which caused this 60-year long civil war. I’m sure if Iran built a time machine Israel would be first in line to blow it up. But as for the actual situation, winning a war is easy, it’s winning the peace that’s hard. Apartheid and embargoes and concentration camps just isn’t the right way to do that. I have to wonder if there hadn’t been the Holocaust in Europe whether the Zionists would have gone ahead with their own “Final Solution” for the “Palestinian problem” by now.
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@conan776: A while back Ahmadinejad made a claim that he hates Zionists, but loves the Jews. He arranged photo ops of Rabbi’s holding anti-Zionist signs and held a big conference where he invited Jews to come an discuss what to do about the Zionists, etc. Since then, I started seeing a fad where people would say they like the Jews, but hate Zionists. Most of them didn’t even understand what that really means.
And if the Jews had wanted them dead, they would have done it already. They just want them to stop launching fucking missiles and strapping bombs onto their retards!
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@AlecDalek: Please, you do not speak for me. The only person I’m laughing at is you.
Condemning one side does not mean supporting the other. It’s precisely this mindset that got America into Iraq, which has thus far been a terrible decision we’re all just looking for a polite way to back out of.
Other people here calmly and quietly agree with JamesTuskGeorge, while you have to call him a racist sympathizer, conspiracy theorist, and many other names you have no factual basis for. This is how a child acts when she cannot rationalize something.
Also, the Zionist movement that JamesTuskGeorge is talking about isn’t the crazy “Jews Run Everything” theory that some vicious anti-Semites fabricated a pamphlet for before WWII. It’s simply a way to sum up the Israel nationalist movement, and everything their government has done to secure Israel, for better or for worse, over the past 120 years.
I personally think they did it to try to kick off the Apocalypse after the horror of WWI, and damnit they’ve done a good job, but that’s just a theory.
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@ieattime20: Whoa, it’s amazing how much bullshit you and spew. Must be like 1000 Psi. Amazing!
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@AlecDalek: Childish. Insubstantive. Inflammatory. Relying on emotive power instead of factual basis. Straw man. Red herring. Begging the question.
And it’s bullshit I spew?
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@AlecDalek: I don’t even hate Zionists. I wouldn’t really give two figs about the whole situation if billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars weren’t going to Israel to perpetuate this mess. www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/01/16/gaza_invasion/
If the U.S. collapsed tomorrow, and the Italians of Massachusetts suddenly became fevered nationalists, and decided to ship all the Irish off to reservations, then, when we proved inadequate wage-slave day laborers, walled all of us, including myself and my family, off from the rest of civilization, and then ended supply shipments in of anything more luxurious than gruel, I’d be launching missiles and anything else I could get my hands on over the wall too. You reap what you sow.
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the walling-off and checkpoints etc. are because since ’48 the Pals and have been trying to ethnically cleanse Israel. It may surprise you that I’m not thrilled about what happened when Israel was created. However it misses the point which is that it is there now and has been for a few generations. Forcible removal of a large population is ethnic cleansing, as I’m sure you’ll agree. Some people still have a double standard when they say “DESTROY ISRAEL!” as if its ok if the Palestinians and Arabs are doing it but not OK if the Israelis are doing it. I say its not ok if anyone does it. The world holds Israel to a higher than normal standard and holds the Palestinians to no standard whatsoever. To call the Gaza wall or any security measure in the West Bank “apartheid” is to deliberately ignore the context in which they exist; it delegitimizes Israel’s effort to protect its own and is thus is passively saying that Palestinian murder of Israeli civilians should go on unchecked. If the Palestinians can behave themselves, there will be no wall or lock down or blockade. Simple as that. Fatah and Hamas want to ethnically cleanse Israel.
As for reaping what one sows, this is from a Blogger friend of mine:
One of the usual responses by Palestinian Arabs to terror attacks – besides celebration
and joy – is to tell the West that these attacks are a “natural reaction” to
“Zionist crimes.”Hamas used those words yesterday as they praised the attack, and a Firas Press op-ed said
the same thing this morning.No one seems to notice that only the Arabs are allowed to “naturally” murder.
Israel doesn’t have that luxury – its acts must withstand the tightest scrutiny before
even being decided upon. Those evil Zionists cannot naturally believe in revenge or
murder because those are, well, evil. But the poor oppressed Palestinian Arabs are
naturally allowed to act aggressively.In other words, those who defend terror attacks in this way are telling the world that
all Palestinian Arabs simply do not have the same capacity for free will that the
Zionists have.The defenders and justifiers of terror are the racists, openly saying that Palestinian
Arabs cannot act like adults – they are children or animals or mentally disabled people
who cannot be blamed for acting in bad ways because they do not have the mental
capabilities to think soberly and logically. Only the hated Jews have that ability, you
see.So only the Jews can be blamed for any civilian deaths, because they are the adults and
know better. The Palestinian Arabs aren’t.The world buys into this farce to some extent, always assuming that the Israelis have
more ability to act in a logical manner than Arabs can, and therefore asking more
concessions from the adults than from the slightly defective children.Only Israel seems to expect Arabs to act as adults, as people who understand the concept
of responsibility and who realize that actions have consequences. For everyone else,
including the Arabs themselves, the Arab world can act as it pleases because it simply
does not have the maturity that the Jews do.Arabs acting like animals is “natural,” according to their defenders. Isn’t
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@conan776: Yes, both sides should have to fund their own war games. Then again, the Americans sure seem to like trying out their new weaponry in the middle east (after they were kicked out of South-East Asia). They are such enablers.
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@American Perv: Posting the words of your blogger friend is a massive straw man. I condem Palestinian terrorists, I hold them to account, they are criminals who are hunted, and when caught pay the price for their actions. This is just, this is right.
However, condeming Palestinian terrorists, such as those in Hamas, does not mean that Israel has a free hand to kill all Palestinians, nor to keep them on reservations, not even second class citizens, they are non-citizens, without state, without rights, without any hope of a future. Palestinian Children have done no wrong, their parents have nowhere they can take them from the violence, they are trapped, they are killed, they do no deserve to die, they are innocents.
Hamas does want the Jews out of Israel, yes, and if they managed this it would be ethnic cleansing, yes. However, they have not even the slightest dream of achieving this, innaccurate home-made rockets against tanks, artilery, planes, helicopter strikes, and a professional army suppied with state of the art equipment.
Israel makes a big pretense of not wanting to ethically cleanse the land, yet this is exactly what it has achieved, the Palesinians live behind concrete walls, their land occupied, and the right of return refused to them.
I condemn Hamas, but before Hamas even existed Israel had condemned all Palestinians, and still condemns them, and this is wrong.
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I took this pic this past weekend when I was in NYC. They were everywhere. I think this one was on the BQE, west bound.
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@jamestuskgeorge:
I will reply to you in a bit. I haven’t forgotten.
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@nyokki – all i have to say to that is “so?” Saying that the way the sign does falsely attributes those words to an ethnic group with a wide array of opinions. It would be equally fallacious to say that all Jews support Israel.
It may surprise you to know that Israel actually has about as much freedom of speech as the US does. There are anti-zionist Israelis, Marxists, Leninist, Stalinists, Holocaust deniers, flat-earth believers, secularists, Arab and Palestinian-sympathizing Jewish Israelis too. They aren’t persecuted by the government in any way. There’s a joke in Israel that the Israelis and Palestinians have at least one thing in common: they are both allowed to criticize the Israeli government equally.
@jamestuskgeorge:
Ethnic cleansing consists of extermination and/or explusion. Israel hasn’t done either. Please get your terms right.
I would agree with you that Hamas doesnt have a chance of achieving it’s genocidal goals. I think they know it too, and they are profiting off of that fact. If they lay down their arms and actually tried to govern, they would have to answer for the fact that they are incompetent at it. They don’t invest in infrastructure, they don’t allow many civil rights. They impose more restrictions than even Fatah does.
I think I might have said all of this before but I think i have to say it again:
Fatah doesnt really want a Palestinian state. It is entirely questionable that they even want to destroy Israel and for one reason: if Israel ceased to exist, there would be no distraction from the fact that Fatah has been exploiting the Palestinians and oppressing them continuously since before even the 6 day war.
About the plight of the average Palestinian, I agree, they are suffering and live in shitty conditions. Thing is, what is Israel supposed to do? They put that security squeeze on the Pals because without it, the terrorist Pals would blow themselves up in markets, schools, buses, and night clubs. Before they did suicide bombing, they would take hostages and murder them. Before the six day war, they did hit and run attacks too. If Israel didn’t have the occupation with it’s security checkpoints and all that, the terrorists would run rampant and no Israeli would be safe. The terrorists know this too. They know they can’t win militarily so they do what they do so Israel will put the squeeze on the Pal civilians – which the complicit world press views in a vacuum and this kills Israel’s image in the world. Terrorism is basically a device for endangering your own side for political gain. It’s quite ingenious when you think about it.
A side note: between the ’48 war and the Six Day War, Jordan and Egypt illegally occupied the West Bank and Gaza respectively. Where was the world’s outrage about that? Where was the Palestinian outrage? When Arafat helped in the six day war, he wasnt fighting to liberate the territories. he was fighting to destroy Israel.
If the world gave a rat’s ass about the Pal civilians, they wouldnt keep giving money to Fatah and Hamas. Those two don’t distribute the aid.
This was never about the Pal civilians and you know it. The muslim world knows it, the West knows it, and most importantly, a sizable minority of Palestinians know it. However we never hear from them because they get shot if they speak out.
Yes the Palestinian civilians are suffering under the occupation. If you merely say “stop the occupation,” and ignore the rest of it, then I am more pro-Palestinian than you.
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@American Perv: ¶Really?! Are you sure? I always assumed that Jews and Israelis were a monolithic society.¶
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@nyokki: LOL…
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@nyokki – I’ve been over there. I’ve seen it for myself. Don’t believe everything you read. Go see it first hand.
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Show me one society on earth that is monolithic in it’s politics. I dare you.
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@American Perv: ¶Oh, I wish I could travel the world and be as informed as you. Unfortunately I’m stuck in redneck West (by God) Virginny.¶
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@nyokki: Your sarcasms, they give me really bad laugh spasms. smsms. ♥
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@nyokki: ROFL… You’re slaying me over here Nyokki…
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@American Perv: Send me the tickets and I’m there. ¶I promise I’ll write a full report w/ a synopsis for you.¶
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@nyokki:
Whatever dude. Good luck finding accurate stuff. If you go to the muslim world, you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone willing to speak out against the party line. A) all they know is what their fascist media, and the complicit western media give them, and b) if they do contradict the line, they get shot.
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@American Perv: Were you dropped on your head as a baby or were you just born stupid?
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@nyokki: Ouch… How ’bout we all be frank here eh? ROFL…
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@Phyreblade: Remember riverdale? Good entertainment is hard to get sometimes.
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@nyokki:
Respond to the substance of my post or admit stupidity yourself.
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@nyokki: Aaahh… entertainment… LOL I guess you get it where you can find it, or drum it up yourself, eh?
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@American Perv: I just did.
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@Phyreblade: 5 to tie, 6 to get on the list.
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@nyokki: you didnt reply to the substance of what I said. YOu just called me stupid. Resorting to insult isnt substantive debate. Its the sort of thing one does when they can’t think of anything else to say. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt.
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@American Perv: All I originally did was post a pic of a real sign I found in the middle of a very orthodox section of Brooklyn. I made no moral claims about it. I gave no judgment of it. You’re answer was “so?”. You’re an idiot that thinks he understands everything, but every word you type proves otherwise. You attack me as if I disagreed w/ you, when in fact I was making fun of you. Again, you’ve shown yourself too moronic to understand the concept. You are not deserving of a substantive answer. You’re worthy only of my scorn…and that you have…in spades. Enjoy.
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in case you havnt noticed, it wasnt entirely obvious to me that it was anything but serious. Sarcasm isn’t always transparent on the interwebs. Everyone makes mistakes.
What’s wrong with “so?”?
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re: ‘So?”
you’re taking htis strangely as far as I can tell right now. I’m trying to figure out what the big deal is. So i didnt get the joke. So what? I’m so used to being in fight-mode about this subject that its hard to get humor about it. This is a big deal to me.
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@American Perv: h dear, you’re confused.
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err *Oh* durrrrrh
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Meh it happens. I have fallen into the sarchasm apparently.
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Everyone knows that all peaceful intelligent Jews are against Israel. This is such a factual fact, they should put it in the dictionaries right next to the word Jew, it should be part of their definition.
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@dieAnatagonista:
Have you read anything i’ve said in this thread? At all? Perhaps a partial recap is in order: the palestinian governments and terrorist groups want genocide. They use the conflict to help them stay in power. They steal all of the aid money. A lot of the human shields are voluntary and thus combatants. If you’re so concerned about the Palestinians you’d care about that but its all israel’s fault to you. Apparently I am more pro-Pal than you.
Israel is much more careful about not killing civilians than any other nation on earth. Compare to America and other countries in Iraq and Afganistan, Russia in Chechnya and Georgia, pick your african conflict, and the list goes on. Where’s your outrage about other conflicts with higher body counts? Where’s your outrage about the stuff the Palestinians want to do? You’re not against ethnic cleansing or the death of civilians. You’re only agianst the death of Palestinian civilians. You’re basically telling me that the Israelis don’t have the right to stop people from trying to kill them in schools, malls, nightclubs, buses, and homes. You’re telling me that its OK that the Pal terrorists launch attacks from within densely populated areas on purpose. You don’t care about human rights at all. Not Israeli, not Palestinian, nobody’s human rights.
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Congratulations. You failed basic logic. Twice. I was being sarcastic. Jesus Christ.
You think you are so fair and only you know what’s going on. Well guess what, not all people agree with you and that doesn’t mean they’re automatically monsters or that they want anyone to die.
I am Jewish and I disagree with Israel, they have an army and they kill people. Doesn’t matter if it’s to defend themselves or not, but to have an army based on a RELIGION? No no and no. I support Israel in terms of bringing about peace in that area, but I will never believe that Israel had any right to exist. And there’s nothing you can do about that.
If you are truly interested in what intelligent people have to say about this, from a neutral view point, then watch this short 4 minute video and tell me if there’s anything you disagree with what they say: www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Jk1kpKvfs
I doubt you can say anything against that. And you will understand that’s not easy for dirty Muslim Arabs who just want to kill Jews.
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Your sarcasm wasnt transparent to me. Given the general tone of your arguments on the subject it’s difficult not to take what you say seriously.
I will watch the video tomorrow. Can’t do it now.
Israel doesnt have an army based on a religion. You’re getting it confused with the muslim countries. What the heck are you talking about?
And where’s your outrage at theocratic regimes who are worse human rights offenders? Where’s the public outcry about all of the muslim on christian violence throughout the muslim world?
If you’re against israel’s right to exist, are you also against muslim immigrants to Europe? or any immigrants to anywhere? No? Then you have a moral double standard that is suspect.
The Palestinian cultural leaders were collaborating with the Nazis. If they didn’t set up Israel, the arabs would’ve ethnically cleansed the region of Jews, some whose families had been there for most of a hundred years, some whose families were there dating all the way back.
Also if you’re against Israel’s right to exist, why arent you against the existential rights of every country in north and south america as well as Australia?
More thoughts to come.
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Also don’t forget that the Jewish settlers in the region that is now Israel, (we’re talking from the mid-1800′s to Israel’s creation) weren’t colonists but refugees from oppression in europe for the most part.
I don’t yet know how you feel about this but if you’re against their right to have settled there, perhaps you should do some anthropological research and figure out where the people in your bloodline started out and go back there.
If you’re anti-israel’s existence then you’re pro-ethnic cleansing. There’s no way around it.
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Israel has made the same mistake the US has made. They’re blurring the line between the good guys and bad guys. They/We can no longer claim to be the morally upstanding nations that only go to war in defense of our nation. It is no longer clear to other nations (that at one time were allies of like mind regarding the arab/muslim nations) that Israel and the US are acting in self defense.
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@American Perv: “If you’re anti-israel’s existence then you’re pro-ethnic cleansing. There’s no way around it.” –> See, it’s because you keep making retarded statements like that, that you are being called stupid.
@American Perv: Where do you get that idea from? Fox news? CNN? That whole 2 point statement you made was just dripping with shite. Have you seen Where In The World Is Osama Bin Laden? Where Morgan Spurlock goes there, on his own, without any political bias and talks to people in several different countries around the area, from Afghanistan, to Israel, to Pakistan, and he essentially proves what you said there as being completely wrong. Except in Saudi Arabia.
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@American Perv: Or were you talking about Americans?
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@dieAntagonista: My Favorite thing about that vid:
Bubbles the Nerd Fighting Puppy, giving us the “‘scuse me, but wth r u doin?” look… -
@American Perv: The fact that a person has vocal outrage about one horror doesn’t mean they have nothing to say about other ones going on at the same time. One cannot argue that ‘what you’re saying is invalid because you haven’t argued it for every possible case and scenario’. This has been about Palestine and Israel. Not every genocide going on in the world. How would one even argue at that level? You’d be so bogged down no argument could even be brought forth. So let’s stick to the single argument and stop trying to spin us around w/ irrelevant data and spurious argument.
If you can’t do that, I’ll just go back to making fun of you for having an extra chromosome.
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@nyokki: at that level it becomes philosophy. Such as was entertained by the Romans, in times of luxurious repose.
Also the Greeks, in times of pederast.
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@sylvanish: Right, and when one argues philosophy, it becomes an abstract. You stop arguing the particulars of a particular example of a scenario and speak more in generalities.
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@nyokki: Wisdom. Meanwhile the city burns while we play the fiddle.
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@sylvanish: ‘Tis a most unfortunate truth.
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@JamesTuskGeorge: I think you failed to recall (if in fact you read it…) that what led to the construction of this barrier was a murderous campaign during the 90′s led by Hamas and Yasser Arafat. Where suicide bombers, arriving from the west bank, killed hundreds of innocent civilians in buses, restaurants, pubs, out on the streets…
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@sshiff: So the Palestinians should have built a wall around the Jews when Irgun and Lehi were blowing people up in the 30s and 40s? Collective punishment is not the answer, the reasons for the terrorism need to be addressed.
My pets are deranged animals of my own making.
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And all house trained!
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Don’t be fooled into thinking these are shoops.
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but I see pixels…
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Nice dental work.
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the squirrel seems a little forced.
but that rabbit is pure fukken win imho
also, creepy frogs are creepy
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squirrel looks scotish. And that rabit is single handedly running this country…
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hoe does the snake keep that monocle in? they have no eye lids!
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Don’t be fooled into thinking these are shoops.
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but I see pixels…
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Nice dental work.
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the squirrel seems a little forced.
but that rabbit is pure fukken win imho
also, creepy frogs are creepy
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squirrel looks scotish. And that rabit is single handedly running this country…
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hoe does the snake keep that monocle in? they have no eye lids!
Obama Jedi?
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You ask, you get, Friday night photoshop.
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Obamas campaign promises
About as real as jedis
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So.. Totally real then ?
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shooped, i can tell by the obama
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I can tell its shooped by the fact hes a jedi and not a sith lord.
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The Schwarz is with this one for sure…
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Yeah, he got in a cereal box. Lucky him, all I got was a crappy decoder ring.
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Apparently Jedi Obama is the loadstone to people pre-raging over an Obama presidency.
*grabs popcorn and leans back to watch show*
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“I’ve been jipped”
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Someone asked for it a week ago, or mentioned it, I was bored and drunk so it got done.
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It was me, turned out good.print. gonna add this on the obama table outside. now can you do a Mccain as a “”mavrick”"..? hmmm..
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I also very much enjoy caffino54: ,hvymetal86: cuz ya know- it says right under the picture and you know Obama does soo many jedi photo shoots. they are the FAIL.
…LAST!
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Shop skills thy lack…
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Obamas campaign promises
About as real as jedis -
So.. Totally real then ?
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shooped, i can tell by the obama
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I can tell its shooped by the fact hes a jedi and not a sith lord.
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The Schwarz is with this one for sure…
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Yeah, he got in a cereal box. Lucky him, all I got was a crappy decoder ring.
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Apparently Jedi Obama is the loadstone to people pre-raging over an Obama presidency.
*grabs popcorn and leans back to watch show*
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“I’ve been jipped”
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Someone asked for it a week ago, or mentioned it, I was bored and drunk so it got done.
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It was me, turned out good.print. gonna add this on the obama table outside. now can you do a Mccain as a “”mavrick”"..? hmmm..
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I also very much enjoy caffino54: ,hvymetal86: cuz ya know- it says right under the picture and you know Obama does soo many jedi photo shoots. they are the FAIL.
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Shop skills thy lack…
February 12, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Fuck yeah
February 13, 2010 at 1:24 pm
as a non-smoking lulz enthusiast, i approve this message
March 3, 2010 at 10:40 am
I concur.
March 3, 2010 at 11:28 am
Yeah when they put it that way… they’re really doing the earth a favor
March 3, 2010 at 6:07 am
smart people know that the only real effect is the 5 millions killed
March 3, 2010 at 8:59 am
Would only works if the 5million people you kill were USAn.
Killing anything else than USAn will never fix anything since they will just breed more fat humanoid.
March 3, 2010 at 10:02 am
Totally man. Fuck those fat humanoid. Fucking humanoid trying to act all human and shit.
March 3, 2010 at 3:10 pm
I’M KOREAN! SON OF A BITCH AMERICAN! AMERICAN IS PIG! DO YOU WANT CHEESEBURGER? DO YOU WANT PIZZA? AMERICAN IS PIG DISGUSTING! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS MURDERER! FUCKING U.S.A!!!!1
November 1, 2012 at 5:04 am
Are you lost? let me help you out, go down the street till you find a factory sit your ass down somewhere and make me my trinkets and toys you gook.
March 3, 2010 at 7:30 pm
I have a feeling this image is directly insulting me.
March 3, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Oh c’mon…
March 4, 2010 at 4:28 am
Do you rock the patchouli tree?