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    1. Gropegrope says:

      Great.
      America has no gun problem.

      I feel much better now…

      • lettersandnumbersonly says:

        Can’t you just feel the yolk of government control slipping from your neck? It’s going to be a good day.

        • Gropegrope says:

          I rather like that the government has some measure of control over stupid folks that actually think a gun is a defensive weapon…

          • lettersandnumbersonly says:

            I can only imagine the level of privilege you must come from to make a statement like that.

            www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/weapon

            “Weapon: something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you”

            What’s the weather like on your planet?

            • Gropegrope says:

              Semantics…?
              Seriously…?
              What non-lateral language skills you possess.

              A gun doesn’t stop a bullet silly.
              But if you’ve got one in your hand, it practically mandates a thief to shoot you first…

              Encounters with armed thieves generally don’t end well, but statistically they end much worse if the victim is armed…for the victim that is.

              Guns do not ensure safety….far from it.
              Homes with guns are much more dangerous to live in than homes without.

    2. lettersandnumbersonly says:

      Sorry I am not as adroit at mental gymnastics as you seem to be. You said guns weren’t defensive, I posted the definition of a weapon which uses a gun as an example and clearly states defensive use. Seems pretty clear who is coming up short in the language skills department.

      I never said a gun would stop a bullet. A gun can be used to deter or stop attacks; the best way to stop a bullet is to ensure it was never fired at you.
      Does owning all this nice stuff also mandate they rob me too? Where do you come up with this stuff?

      Your “Encounters with armed thieves…” statement makes it clear you did not watch the video as this was addressed and exposed as more nonsense.

      Nothing ensures safety. Police carry guns because they are effective defensive tools.
      Put a gun free sign in front of your house to let people know how safe you are then.

      If you don’t want to have a gun in your home that is fine, but when you tell me I can’t have on in mine is where I step up and tell you to get fucked.

      • Gropegrope says:

        I watched the video.
        He discussed robberies when people were at home vs not at home
        He didn’t discus being armed while being robbed.

        As for deterring attacks….?
        As a victim being armed during a robbery significantly increases your chances of dying.
        Homes with firearms are more likely to be robbed (firearms are a high ticket crime item).

        And homes with firearms have a significantly higher accidental death rate than those without (entirely attributable to firearms).

        The state legislates all kinds of reckless behavior…why do you feel gun ownership deserves a pass?

        And as for your second amendment…it does say you have the right to bear arms…as part of a well regulated militia.
        Why do gun nut always forget that part…?

        • lettersandnumbersonly says:

          Lets be clear, firearm ownership in America is not a problem. Crowder does an excellent job illustrating the dishonest way some political organizations are trying to scare people for their own political means.

          In the UK(unarmed) homes are robbed more frequently when the residents are home than in the US(armed). He also points out that a “hot” burglary will likely include violence against the homeowner.

          If someone is armed they have less chance of being victimized in the first place, not to mention surviving the robbery. You are right, being armed can turn the robbery into an armed conflict but this is far more a problem for the criminal not the victim. The chance of encountering an armed victim also deters crime.

          Again, put a “This house is gun free” sign in your yard to help prevent robbery, the concept is the same and just as absurd. If you announce you are unarmed then you make yourself an easy target.

          Lets see the numbers on home with firearms having a higher death rate from an objective unbiased source. Firearm ownership has soared and the accidental death rate as a whole has been steadily dropping for the last fifteen years.

          Firearm ownership is not reckless in and of itself as you are asserting. There are tons of laws governing the use of and ownership of firearms already, not to mention assault and murder for their willful misuse. What you fail to understand is criminals by their very nature don’t obey the law, it’s what makes them criminals.

          As for the second amendment you are on the wrong side of even a recent supreme court ruling. In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision that held the amendment protects an individual right to possess and carry firearms.

          Let’s do something constructive. I would almost be willing to bet you have never held let alone fired a gun. To help you understand guns more let me leave you with some fundamental rules for the safe handling and use of a firearm.

          Never point a gun at anything you aren’t willing to destroy.
          Treat all guns as if they are loaded.
          Keep your finger off the trigger until you have your sights on your target and are ready to fire.
          Know what your target is and what is beyond it.

          If you ever find yourself in Southern Louisiana let me know, I would be happy to take you to a gun range and teach you how to properly handle, use, and enjoy firearms.

          • skndrbg says:

            Ever had an unblinking, bulge-eyed little dog, completely bereft of logic, reason or restraint, cleave to one ankle and dementedly begin humping? Try to rid yourself now of that image while reasoning with gropegrope.

            • lettersandnumbersonly says:

              Hilarious visual.

              I think William Buckley summed it up nicely when he said “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”

              If someone was a victim of gun violence or lost a family member I could understand them being a little less than rational when viewing guns and gun control, and would likely give them a pass and change the subject if it were brought up. We can’t allow irrational views to shape the laws of the land.

            • Gropegrope says:

              You guys having fun with your little mutual admiration circle jerk….?

              Decided America doesn’t have a gun problem between yourselves…?

              OK…No worries then…

            • lettersandnumbersonly says:

              Well, for lack of any logical argument on your side of the issue I think that is the conclusion most reasonable people will reach.

              Your homophobic comment has been noted and will be filed in your permanent record.

            • Gropegrope says:

              So didn’t look up those studies about increased mortalities in gun owning homes then….?

              If you aren’t interested in facts, then you should conclude, by all means…

            • lettersandnumbersonly says:

              You made the assertion you prove it.

              It is not up to me to prove a negative.

            • Gropegrope says:

              Multiple studies.
              Google and you’ll find dozens.

              Of course, you might have to visit some sights that aren’t Fox/Conservative/NRA…

              Try epidemiology journals, public safety reports, pediatric and emergency medicine journals…for a start.

              Hope that helps….

            • lettersandnumbersonly says:

              Now you are asking me to prove your assertions for you.
              This is the kind of intellectual lethargy that allowed you to believe that pap in the first place.

              If you want to crusade against something more meaningful you could start a modern temperance movement.

              www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics

              I’ve grown tired of meeting your furious leg humping gaze. Have a nice life and try to do a little more thinking for yourself in the future.

            • Gropegrope says:

              You can’t do a very simple Google search and read a few peer reviewed articles that have been cited by just about every researcher in the field?

              Do you need you need someone to wiggle it when you’re done too….?

              I can’t really make it any easier for you to be informed.
              And I can’t really have an intelligent conversation with someone with someone who refuses to become informed.

              I guess we are done.

              I tried….

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