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    fatherdougal
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    Howzabout the one where they can’t find anyone to sell them a gun because everyone else is obeying the fucking law that bans those kinds of sales? Christ people are fucking stupid, and those that make memes are the most bone-fucking-dense of them all.

    oldnoob
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    How did that work out for Paris?

    Nelson
    Member

    Incredibly incredibly better over the years than America – like incredibly

    oldnoob
    Member

    Uh, right. My bad. What was I thinking. 11/13/2015, 130 people didn’t die. Because they banned out guns. There were any terrorists performed terror act because they couldn’t find any guns in Paris. They all live happily ever after.

    Nelson
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    And how many people die in America every year from what your media tragically calls “everyday gun deaths” as well as all the massacres you have had involving legal guns, let alone illegal ones and terrorist attacks?

    Typical reactionist gun nut response – I love how none of the athiest/christian massacres have been terrorists.

    Do you think the people in Paris would want to swap places? They wouldn’t.

    Nelson
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    Actually how many people did die because they had no access to guns? Do you have the first fucking clue about what actually happened there, all the locations, all the time, all the run ins with the Paris armed cops?

    When did the french ban guns exactly? (cue your quick google search)

    Talking out your arse mate

    EuroUSA
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    In America, you have “a Paris” every single day. Between 90 to 120 die in America every day… and you’re going to hold this up as an example of why we would want this same bloody madness here? Yes, it is a happily ever after here… we don’t have another 35,000+ annually killed or another 70,000 wounded and maimed for life. The comparisons are asinine. I’m not sure what you’re point is. Is it that you want everyone or other countries to live with this form of twisted mentality. Everyone carrying a firearm, everyone ready to do their neighbour in… Read more »

    jediadept
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    I’d much rather be a fucking stupid person, than be a pollyannaish, rose colored glasses wearing, one.

    Howzabout simply realizing that there is currently a massive underground market for firearms that will continue to exist, whatever the law decrees.

    Have you ever truly read the 2nd amendment?
    Do you really understand what it is really for?

    Nelson
    Member

    Have you heard of Australia? Tell me exactly…. Oh i give up, you will want your toy regardless

    jediadept
    Member

    Well then… why didn’t you stay silent?

    Nelson
    Member

    because i wanted to point out your stupid statement, just a turn of phrase really 🙂

    gx5000
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    To keep the British out and overthrow the sitting Gov if found to have gone off track, neither of these scenarios will ever occur, even if you were part of a standing Militia, which was another requirement of that musket right that knew nothing of full auto nine mm weapons.

    jediadept
    Member

    while we do not agree, you have replied with a reasoned, reasonably informed opinion. I can respect that.

    Nelson
    Member

    how exactly is

    “I’d much rather be a fucking stupid person, than be a pollyannaish, rose colored glasses wearing, one.

    Howzabout simply realizing that there is currently a massive underground market for firearms that will continue to exist, whatever the law decrees.

    Have you ever truly read the 2nd amendment?
    Do you really understand what it is really for?”

    A well reasoned response?

    jediadept
    Member

    Oh my, what thin skin you have!
    I stand by my statement.

    Nelson
    Member

    Yea great nice evasion – your response was not reasoned and don’t try and come the moral high ground now, you stomped in 1st with a patronising, insulting and ill informed post – excuse me for responding with another patronising and insulting one – I mean it’s not like we are talking about countless deaths or anything You realise the rest of the world would be laughing at you if it wasn’t so awful and depressing – That such privileged an developed nation would have such a problem with this – the rest of the world – think about it.… Read more »

    Nelson
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    To respond rationally, your statement – “Howzabout simply realizing that there is currently a massive underground market for firearms that will continue to exist, whatever the law decrees” Is not true – when you make guns illegal (see Australia and many others) or tighten the rules (see Scotland and many others) it makes it harder for bad people to get guns and use them – So gun violence goes down. In the UK black market for guns you would have to morgage your house for the cash, know the right folk and risk a HELL of a lot just to… Read more »

    jediadept
    Member

    You miss the point: Guns, knives, tooth & nail, or a piece of string; there are always weapons to be had.
    It’s people that we need to be cautious of.

    Nelson
    Member

    so explain why your murder and assault rate is so much higher than everywhere else – guns and that culture play no part in that do they?

    30000 a year!

    Nelson
    Member

    You are suggesting that if guns were illegal and there were actually less of them (which is a direct result of enforcing a law against them) that every one of those gun related deaths would be replaced by a knife/fist/bat etc related one

    That is obviously not true

    jediadept
    Member

    Nelson: Now you’re just simply acting a babbling prat; of course there is no “one to one” correlation.

    Nelson
    Member

    Then why did you say

    “You miss the point: Guns, knives, tooth & nail, or a piece of string; there are always weapons to be had.
    It’s people that we need to be cautious of.”

    one way or the other dude, you are just grasping at straws and going in circles.

    You have not demonstrated how keeping guns legal in America keeps people safe. And you can’t because it doesn’t

    Nelson
    Member

    Could you at least answer one of my questions? like the one about your really high murder rate – the one thats about four times that of the average western european nation and almost three times that of Canada. You were going to explain that gun culture isn’t contribnuting to that? or perhaps going to explain how it’s worth it or something?

    drevil007
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    drevil007

    nelson – this little fact is not generally acknowledged by anyone during the gun control debate but white Americans have violent crimes rates, as victims and perpetrators that are very similar to those rates in other industrialized nations. The violent crime rates for African Americans, as victims and perpetrators, are 5x to 20x those of white Americans depending on specific crimes and how rates are calculated. I realize this knowledge is racist and therefore not to be acknowledged but there it is. London has a higher violent crime rate than NYC, NYC was trending down for decades, until the current… Read more »

    DaftGhosty
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    @nelson I’m not sure where you are getting your information nelson but the FBI web site collects all crime stats in the nation and publishes them. 2013 is the current newest you can view but you goes back for more than 20 years. Crime in general, not just violent crime has been on the decline in this nation for decades. I’m not sure really where you are getting the 30k a year in this country for murders. In 2013 there were 14,196 murders in America of those 8,454 were with firearms. Not 30k. I do know that the fbi also… Read more »

    Gropegrope
    Member

    Tell me exactly how many of the 30,000+ yearly gun related deaths in America are caused by “fanatics”…..?

    DaftGhosty
    Member

    Considering that the FBI says that number is 14k, less than half the number you just quoted, I have to ask are you asking a real question or are you throwing about a large number with no understanding of what you are saying?

    Gropegrope
    Member

    The CDC numbers are consistently 30K+ gun deaths yearly over the past decade.

    Seriously.
    Look it up.

    DaftGhosty
    Member

    I think I’ll stick with the FBI’s numbers which are backed with factual data. www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/violent-crime/murder-topic-page/murdermain_final Out of those 14k murders 8k were firearm related. Out of those a vast majority of them were gang related with gang on gang crime taking place in cities with the toughest gun control laws. For the CDC’s numbers to be correct they would have to be in possession of crime reports that where never reported to the fbi. That isn’t happening. Considering that the FBI receives a report for all crime in america and compiles it each year for everyone to view the cdc… Read more »

    Gropegrope
    Member

    I see the problem here….you can’t read.

    DaftGhosty
    Member

    No, I’m pointing out an important fact here. The rest of the CDC numbers include suicides. People who wish to kill themselves will do so with or without the need of a firearm. Using them to artificially inflate a number is absurd. Suicides are tragic but using them in a campaign to mislead people into thinking more people are murdered a year than actual are is dishonest. If you don;t think that is the case you only have to look above to nelson’s post where he uses the 30k deaths a year but implies it is all from murders. Considering… Read more »

    Gropegrope
    Member

    The CDC numbers are lies now?
    As for suicides, there is some evidence to suggest that in many cases the suicidal urge is temporary and can pass.
    Easy access to a firearm makes the likelyhood of survival slim, as most other forms of suicide take more planning and effort.

    But even if we stick to your straight “murder” numbers, a large percentage of murders are spur of the moment rage or passion induced.
    And by seemingly regular folks, not career criminals.

    Reasonable gun laws could prevent many of these.

    oldnoob
    Member

    If any of you antis actually willing to do your research. You will find In US, the violence crime rate has been steady trending downward. And gun ownership have continue going up. If you even bother to check with FBI data base (which is open to public). You will see there are more people die in by rock/hammer/bludgeon object than your so call “assault rifle” (which none of you idiots even know what is actually a assault rifle anyway). Stop letting your emotion get over your head. I don’t agree blame tragedy on religion, race, gender nor guns. Establish more… Read more »

    Nelson
    Member

    oh sorry, I forgot it’s OK if it’s with a “normal” gun and not a fucking military weapon. Such denial

    what a fucking joke

    oldnoob
    Member

    Ha, you see. What did I said about do your own research? The number of death by “rock/hammer/bludgeon object” were more than “Long Guns” That brain dead antis like you will keep refer as “assault rifle”, so I stop correcting you. Enjoy your life under the rock and believe whatever you see on media. The reason you are “hearing” more and more of gun violence was because that’s what people want to see on tv. It’s not necessary there are more gun violence happen. My final respond. Do your own research. Draw your own conclusion. Every time you willingly give… Read more »

    Nelson
    Member

    Oh for gods sake take the fucking point – it doesn’t matter wjat your definition is, it doesn’t matter – they are all guns and the fact that they are legal and prvelant in America contributes hugely to it’s violence and murder problem. Just live with it mate

    Nelson
    Member

    I don’t hear about Gun violence from your crazy public media. That gave me a head start on my research, why don’t you check into some (gasp) non-US media and articles about how nuts EVERYONE else thinks your policys are

    drevil007
    Member
    drevil007

    Tens of millions more firearms since the early 1990s and the death rate from the use of firearms is half what it was then. Mot claiming cause and effect, although there is plenty of credible research to support that conclusion, not even claiming correlation. But it is blindingly obvious that politicians and gun restriction advocates have not crafted a single law in 100 years of trying which have prevented one crime or saved one life.

    Totemo Benri
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    Totemo Benri

    This meme seems kinda silly, i.e: why have laws against murder, when people will still murder? Why have laws regulating banks, since they cheat and steal anyway? It seems to me a line must be drawn, and a lot of people think modern America has laid down this line in the wrong place. I don’t see a solution, not an easy one, but I guess important things are worth fighting hard for. I believe Gandi got a whole nation liberated without guns, maybe something that miraculous could happen here. Then again, I’ve heard everybody in Sweden… Switzerland? … somewhere have… Read more »

    drevil007
    Member
    drevil007

    The law is specify punishment for violating the rights of others. Confiscating my firearms when I have not violated the rights of anyone is immoral.

    MarauderDeuce
    Member

    1. You’re not going to stop criminals from getting guns. 2. Criminals aren’t the ones committing the majority of mass shootings that we keep hearing about from the USA. 3. Just because you can’t stop guns getting into the hands of bad people doesn’t mean that having sensible laws to restrict how easily people get guns is a bad thing. Every country has laws which are meant to protect the safety of people, gun laws are just one category. You can’t include terrorists in the same group as the mentally unwell or as criminals as their motivations are completely different… Read more »

    drevil007
    Member
    drevil007

    1. If you commit a mass shooting you are a criminal. Unless you’re in a jurisdiction where it is not against the law to shoot other people. 2. Actually, the vast majority of shootings with multiple victims are gang related; they just do not get the coverage that other more sensational shootings seem to generate. 3. We already have something like 10,000 gun laws on the books. Do you think anyone can craft one more law which will be effective where the existing 10,000 laws failed.

    MarauderDeuce
    Member

    1. Obviously but I’m sure you realise that I was making a distinction between someone you might call a career criminal and someone who was living an apparently normal life and then commits a mass shooting such as this. 2. That doesn’t surprise me. I imagine that there are other differences in both the methodology and nature of the victims. 3. A misleading statistic. Many of those 10k will be repetitions of the same laws in different jurisdictions and I wonder how many of them are actually about keeping weapons out of the hands of dangerous people. The other fact… Read more »

    RalphTheDog
    Member

    France – gun controls 3.01 gun deaths per 100,000 people per year. Gun controls fail to stop the massacre of 130 people in a single event. This event causes the annual death rate from guns to jump 15% Canada – looks like USA, but with gun control 2.22 gun deaths per 100,000 people per year. USA – no gun control 10.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people per year. Approximately 33,000 Americans die annually from guns. On average, it takes less than a day and a half for 130 people to die from guns in America. When gun control countries have… Read more »

    drevil007
    Member
    drevil007

    And something like 60% of those American deaths are suicides. Do you believe that if someone wants to kill themselves but they do not have a gun they will not kill themselves? Do you believe that someone who kills himself using something other than a gun is somehow better off than someone who uses a gun? Take out the suicides, adjust for the extremely high rate of violence among African Americans and white Americans have firearm related deaths and violence similar to those countries. Restricting the rights of all Americans will not help those in the inner cities who are… Read more »

    RalphTheDog
    Member

    I find some Americans (Fox news types, herein “you”) have a unique perspective on rights and freedom. The rest of the free world empowers the people, who see injustice, and force their government to create laws for the betterment of society. The people excercise their rights and demand that the government does what they can through public policy to ensure people can be free to walk the streets knowing that while their country isn’t disarmed, it has done what it can to reduce the potential for their sons and daughters to be senselessly gunned down by a law abiding AK47… Read more »

    EuroUSA
    Member

    I’ll give this, you aren’t afraid to step on a few toes. I’m military trained, in fact, a weapons expert – I like guns, my dilemma is I fell in love while abroad, got married and now reside in a country (community) where firearms apart from hunting are banned. In the states, I bought into the NRA message, because in my neighbourhood it worked to our advantage. Not knowing better, I really thought this was the only true way people lived. I grew up in East LA, went to sleep to the sound of gunfire each night, walked past bodies… Read more »

    DurTdaiperz
    Member
    DurTdaiperz

    Shitpost.



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