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    1. neither you fucking moron

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    2. Nutters with guns don’t read or care about signs. “I was going to go on a shooting rampage but a signed warned me I might get hurt if I did”.

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      • Not quite,

        That most unwelcome interruption of the Batman Premiere in Aurora? There were Theaters closer to the Nutters Home and there were larger Theaters showing the Film. But NONE of those had a “No Guns” Policy or were as Public about enforcing it as that Theater.

        As a matter of fact, ALL of the Shooting Rampages since Virgina Tech (if not before) have had some variation of the Sign on the left.

        Don’t know that the Sign on the right would prevent an Incident, but the Sign on the Left sure seems to attract them…

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        • Seriously, do you really think that if the Aurora theatre had 10 guys with loaded Ak47s in every theatre that the shooter wouldn’t have just gone somewhere else? And if everyone was armed all the time what would stop every parking lot argument from turning into a shootout?
          The answer is better care for the mentally ill and better background checks for gun purchases, but congress keeps defunding mental health programs and the NRA keeps fighting background checks.
          If you really think the problem is “no guns” rules in theatres, don’t go to those theatres.

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          • “And if everyone was armed all the time what would stop every parking lot argument from turning into a shootout?”
            But wouldn’t that be the feeling of the Old West we all want? Then everybody could feel like Wild Bill Hickok. Wait, wasn’t he armed when…oh, nevermind. Just don’t sit with your back to the door.

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            • Wild West? Learn some American History. Shootouts were very rare in the “Wild West”

              web.archive.org/web/20130623084442/http://www.cracked.com/article_18487_6-ridiculous-history-myths-you-probably-think-are-true.html

              6. Gun Fights in the Violent Wild West

              The Insanity:
              A gloriously mustached man sits at a card game in an old saloon, surrounded by cowboys and surprisingly fresh-faced prostitutes. He looks up, and notices that the player opposite him is hiding an extra card up his sleeve. He calls him on it, the word yellow is pronounced as ‘yeller,’ and pretty soon they’re facing off in the city square. There’s a long moment before the cheater moves for his hip holster, but he’s not fast enough. Quick as lightning, the gambler draws his revolver and shoots the cheat dead between the eyes.
              The cowboys and prostitutes go back to their drinks, well-accustomed to this sort of random violence, as the man nonchalantly twirls his pistol and says: “Guess he couldn’t read my poker face.”

              A typical western saloon, moments before everyone in the room shot each other.
              A hundred years of Westerns have taught us that this is how you lived and died in the Wild West. The quicker draw lived to gun-fight another day. It was essentially a roving single elimination rock, paper, scissors tournament that didn’t end until you were dead.
              But in Reality…
              How many murders do you suppose these old western towns saw a year? Let’s say the bloodiest, gun-slingingest of the famous cattle towns with the cowboys doing quick-draws at high noon every other day. A hundred? More?
              How about five? That was the most murders any old-west town saw in any one year. Ever. Most towns averaged about 1.5 murders a year, and not all of those were shooting. You were way more likely to be murdered in Baltimore in 2008 than you were in Tombstone in 1881, the year of the famous gunfight at the OK Corral (body count: three) and the town’s most violent year ever.

              As for the traditional Western gunfight as depicted in movies, the inaccuracy of handguns at the time would have made quick-drawing skill irrelevant: It was simply so unlikely you’d hit a guy on the first, second or third shot that it didn’t really matter which guy got out his gun first. The closest history got to high-noon show downs was dueling, where people just stood across from one another with their guns out, aimed and fired until someone got lucky, and someone else was dead. Forget about “fanning,” rapidly cocking a single-action revolver between rounds like Clint Eastwood does in A Fistful of Dollars. You’d be lucky to hit a henchman if the duel took place in a closet.
              Why Do We Believe It?
              Because famous gunfighters like Billy the Kid wanted you to believe it. If you’ve seen Young Guns on cable, you probably know the guy was gunning somebody down every ten minutes!

              “… then I was all like ‘pow’ ‘pow’ and all the minotaurs exploded!”
              Well according to sources who aren’t Billy The Kid, his lifetime kill count was four. Criminals inflated their murder stats for the same reason guys today inflate their sexual experience: It made them look cool. Towns like Deadwood talked up their violent, lawless natures in order to attract adventurous settlers. Books were written about them and movies were made as soon as cameras were invented, and nobody who’d been out west was rushing to correct the misconceptions because, why the hell would they. A century and a half later, we still love that lie.

              We believe it because shooting a nameless bad guy in the heart is infinitely more satisfying than filing a complaint with the cops or writing a strongly worded letter to the editor. No checks and balances, no second guessing. Just you and a gun.
              Pardon us, we have a certain Bon Jovi song we need to play right now.

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            • grandadmiralthrawn – “Criminals inflated their murder stats for the same reason guys today inflate their sexual experience: It made them look cool.”

              And here still lies the problem with enabling daft cunts wannabe gangsters to brandish guns.

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            • “A century and a half later, we still love that lie.

              We believe it because shooting a nameless bad guy in the heart is infinitely more satisfying than filing a complaint with the cops or writing a strongly worded letter to the editor. No checks and balances, no second guessing. Just you and a gun.”

              I know very well about what is myth and what is truth about the Old West, because I DID learn and still DO learn quite a lot about American History, thank you very much.
              But that last paragraph of yours is exactly what I meant when I wrote “feeling of the Old West”. Emphasis on “feeling”. And that Lone Gunman myth is obviously still deeply rooted in the US-American culture and mind: You can’t rely on the law, you can only rely on the cold steel phallus strapped to your hip.

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          • Ever thought of that school shooters and the like might not always want to live after having done the shooting?

            The shooters might very well go to where they know people are armed.

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        • “As a matter of fact, ALL of the Shooting Rampages since Virgina Tech (if not before) have had some variation of the Sign on the left”

          Complete bullshit – just the usual NRA propaganda. Here are a few examples:

          Sept. 11, 2013 – Crab Orchard, Tenn. – 4 dead
          Jacob Allen Bennett, 26, was arrested in the shooting deaths of a woman and three teenagers. Their bodies were found in a car about 50 miles west of Knoxville, Tenn.

          July 26, 2013 – Hialeah, Fla. – 7 dead (including gunman)
          Pedro Vargas, 42, went on a shooting spree in his South Florida apartment complex, killing the building’s two managers, a family of three, and a man returning from his son’s boxing practice. Before the attack, Vargas called the police asking the dispatcher to run the license plate of a vehicle parked outside the building, after reporting he had been followed and threatened by people doing witchcraft.

          June 7, 2013 – Santa Monica, Calif. – 5 dead (including gunman)
          John Zawahri, 23, armed with a homemade assault rifle and high-capacity magazines, killed his brother and father at their home and then headed to Santa Monica College, where he carjacked a woman, ordering her to drive him around while he fired at other people. The woman escaped unharmed but two other people were gunned down.

          April 24, 2013 – Manchester, Ill. – 5 dead
          Rick Odell Smith, 43, allegedly stormed a home, killing five members of the same family. Smith had been in a dispute with at least one of the victims, potentially over the custody of a child, police said. The five victims included a grandmother, her granddaughter, the granddaughter’s boyfriend and their two children.

          Need more? There have been 17 mass shootings since Newtown, only one was in a “guns restricted” zone.

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    3. Yeah, it’s not like people who commit shooting sprees are actually committing an elaborate murder-suicide because they’re batshit crazy. Oh wait, they totally do.

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    4. Yeah, I heard that since they passed a law making it illegal to shoot at the President and Vice-President of the United States and their families as well as all previous ex-Presidents and ex-Vice Presidents…

      there is now no reason for the uses of the Secret Service – they have now been disbanded. Yeah, that works…

      This uses the same asinine reasoning and logic that Texans believe that the capital punishment deters or lowers the homicide rate in that state…
      yep Jethro, after 40 years that’s working out just fine.

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    5. Neither.
      But a sane gun policy might…..

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    6. From what I’ve seen of mass murdering gunmen they don’t seem to care about getting arested OR shot.

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    7. Prevent? Neither, although one is more likely to limit the damage and end the tragedy much earlier.

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    8. Because we know keeping guns around children is a good idea.

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    9. “Tragedy tonight as a heavily armed and trained staff member goes on a shooting spree in a school, film at 11”

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    10. My immediate thoughts:
      1. Start by shooting the staff immediately.
      2. So the staff here are have weapons in easy reach? So that means they’re probably not all that well secured. So I just need to work our where one’s kept and then-

      There is not answer which will prevent shit. The best prevention is identifying and helping the mentally sick people who do most of these atrocities and taking action to prevent them from having easy access to guns.

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