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    Enemyofthecause
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    Enemyofthecause

    Well having those guns around sure made his mother saved his mother. The only thing that will stop a badguy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. perfect example. Remember that time when his mother had all the guns that she wanted and they saved her from being shot.

    HoChunk
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    “Braindead Americans United”…?

    Leave the irony to the hipsters, guys.

    Sentinel
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    Well. To start at step one. If the “legal” gun owner was not allowed to posses those weapons, they would not have been available to be “illegally” stolen.

    Grendel
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    Grendel

    All illegal guns start off as legal guns.
    The easiest place to break the chain is at the top.

    Next….

    TheBleakranger
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    By that line of thinking, one could say that making heroin and cocaine illegal has kept drugs out of the public’s possesion.

    Enemyofthecause
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    Enemyofthecause

    By that line of thinking, you think that an AR-15 can be smuggled in a plastic baggie.

    Wildman7316
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    Wildman7316

    Nayh,

    Just smuggle them in in Bales of Marijuana like they do with the Fully Automatic AK-47’s that have been turning up in California…

    Bob
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    Bob

    We need to treat the symptoms of violence, not the cuase.

    EuroUSA
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    That’s a good theory… but that’s all it is. Just a theory that doesn’t work in reality. I’m not your tow-the-line Liberal. I’m a gun loving, hard-line NRA, decorated Marine marksman vet living abroad in a country and region that seems to have more than our share of mental deranged idiots and as many week-end pass hospitals for the mentally insane around. Guns are illegal here (pisses me off) but on the other hand we have no gun violence, zero murders by guns apart of the odd hunting accidents, I’ve never heard of one in the 21 years I’ve been… Read more »

    oldnoob
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    I hate to break it to you antis. Ban all gun will stop violent crime is really just a wishful thinking. America is unique compare to most other country. We have 200 years of gun culture. And millions firearms are already in US (both legal and illegal). If this AWB got passed, it will just be another fell good law in the book and will not have any effect in reality. If you doubt this, just check FBI crime data before and after the last AWB. I have many anti gun friend and I understand how they think. If guns… Read more »

    JR
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    JR

    Why did his mother had those guns? If there were no guns in the house, maybe all he would have would be knifes? Or a baseball bat?

    ep
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    ep

    Good Christ, this shit is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo old.

    ErryDayDuck
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    ErryDayDuck

    Your o’s went completely off my page.

    Well done!

    Lou. R
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    Lou. R

    How about a law saying that she had to keep her guns securely stored? Would a $100 gun safe have stopped the tragedy? A cheap safe might not have stopped a determined professional burglar but it might have stopped that kid.

    Such a law would be OK by me, I already keep all my firearms in a safe… Why don’t more people, law or not, keep their guns stowed properly?

    Luke Magnifico
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    Surely then he’d just have stolen the keys or obtained the combination first.

    Lou. R
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    Lou. R

    Maybe, but maybe not. At least it would have been one more layer.

    Nurgen
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    Nurgen

    Regardless of opinions on the matter, logic fail. Would his mother have owned a gun for him to steal if it was illegal? Probably not.

    jack
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    jack

    If he hadn’t killed his mother, it’s highly likely she’d be facing accessory murder charges.

    Eainsdad
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    Eainsdad

    Well here is the problem with the pie in the sky utopian frou-frou the antis keep spouting. You believe that the world is like a kindergarten class. You believe that simply passing a law making it illegal will keep it from happening. Tell me how well that works with heroin and crack. Tell me how well that works in Chicago. Chicago has the absolute worst gun violence rate in the United States of America but had the absolute most draconian gun laws in the US until the New York state government lost their collective minds and passed worse laws. The… Read more »

    SumoSnipe
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    SumoSnipe

    There is the rub. You mention Chicago and law (un)enforcement.ABC News ran a piece that asked why Chicago gun deaths were 3 times that of NYC for the month of january2012. One thing they pointed out was that in 2010-2011 that only 41% of those arrested for gun crimes in Chicago were prosecuted for those charges. NYC was in the upper 70%.

    Eainsdad
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    Eainsdad

    EXACTLY. So passing more laws that won’t get enforced makes perfect sense. This country is 17 TRILLION DOLLARS in debt and we are spending millions of dollars on this retarded “conversation” that isn’t a conversation but is instead a lecture by liberals who cannot stop over half a century of crime in Chicago and Detroit with these types of laws. Spend the money on fixing the economy and social reform. The kids at Columbine did not get their guns at home. They used patsies to get them illegally. Picking and choosing details to try to prove that eliminating the ability… Read more »

    Nurgen
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    Nurgen

    Your points are valid and I agree, the money spent trying to reduce gun ownership is very much being pissed into the wind and would be better spent elsewhere, however the ranting against them darn ‘liberals’ really weakens your message.

    Eainsdad
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    Eainsdad

    It isn’t ‘conservatives’ trying to disarm American citizens.

    absent
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    His mother’s legal guns really saved her life and stopped her from being shot. They also stopped a lot of other people from being shot.

    And that good guy with a gun, the armed security guard at Columbine, he was really effective in stopping the buy guy with a gun.

    The King of Nothing
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    The King of Nothing

    Let’s try this:
    One year of every single gun not existing in the US.
    Then, one year of everybody having a gun.

    Tell me which one you think will have a lot more murders, mass murders, robbery, kidnappings, etc. I would definitely not want to be around when everyone has a gun.

    (Yes, I know it isn’t realistically possible, it’s a hypothetical situation)

    Eainsdad
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    Eainsdad

    Let’s say that some magical unicorn creates a spell that dissolves all firearms now present in the United States. Initially, in your hypothetical scenario, there would be the same number of rapes and murders and violent acts there always are (that outnumber gun violence eight to one) that didn’t involve guns in the first place. The difference is that police would have to use tazers to stop criminals. Some criminals (just like some law abiding citizens) don’t fall to the ground and convulse under electrical shock. Some can fight back. So the police would be endangered in your scenario. I… Read more »

    The King of Nothing
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    The King of Nothing

    Finally got bored enough to come here. From what I read skimming this nobody ever can defend themselves without a gun. Everyone beats up on all the minorities all the time. If nobody has guns, the people as a whole rise up and riot constantly and the police are helpless (tear gas and riot shields have no effect now I guess). Try again without all the rule changes. You added tons of gun legislation that the picture is 100% against, but I’m actually for. I said straight up everyone has a gun which is representative of how it is now,… Read more »

    Luke Magnifico
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    It’s really too late, at this point. Maybe if you’d done it 50, 60 years ago but by now there’s just too many guns floating freely around the system. You brought this on yourselves and there’s no going back.



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