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    Sean
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    Sean

    I’d hardly call anything that comes from the Cato institute factual. It was founded by one of the Koch brothers after all.

    the_duck
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    FBI & Cato Institute.

    I do understand your suspicions, but I also feel the news loves to glorify anything gun related but never adds context to show how little guns are a problem in America relative to the number that are out there.

    Luminary
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    Luminary

    Shut up with your stupid facts! They can be used to prove *anything*. Guns are scary! Well, except when wielded by a guy with a crew cut and a shiny badge. The shiny badge makes ALL the difference.

    Jack
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    Jack

    So you want to save lives, eh? And your solution is don’t do anything about guns? Interesting. I suppose your solution for putting out fires is letting them burn themselves out. If you want to complain about solutions you also have to present other solutions otherwise you’re just whining.

    Nurgen
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    Nurgen

    I’m not so thrilled about saving lives, but I HATE misleading statistics. Guns were never ‘banned’ in Australia, but there has been strict legislation ever since the end of World War 2… is that the time they’re referring to? ZOMG armed robberies went from almost nothing to 40% higher than almost nothing when all of the men between 18 and 45 return from military service!? Say it’s not so!

    Rich
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    Rich

    None of the “facts” are facts. There is no required reporting to any state or federal agency on these issues.

    All these statements do is get in the way of any real talk as to how to reduce deaths by guns.

    I think a background check on all who want to purchase a gun makes sense. You also need to arrest the felons who try and buy guns.

    Professor Ratbaggy
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    Armed robberies spiked by 44% in Australia when guns were banned?!?!?  What a pile of fœtid dingoes’ kidneys!  Where did that “well known fact” come from?  Did you pull that out of your arse?  I defy anyone to firstly define the point at which guns were banned in Australia, and secondly, provide armed robbery statistics that show that increase at that time.

    I expect the rest of those “statistics,” like the whole argument, are equally made up bullshit.

    slimnoche
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    Anytime I see a title “The Honest Truth” I know I am about to read some bullshit.

    Wookie
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    Wookie

    Mistrust anyone who gives one side of the story, addresses no part of the counter argument, and follows that up with claiming a desire for honest debate.

    ep
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    ep

    Those kids at Sandy Ridge were killed by what? Someone refresh my memory.

    Oh – they were shot! That’s right.

    Mick
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    Mick

    For the record firearms are NOT illegal in Australia. There’s no auto or semi-auto available to the public. Shooting in Australian ranges is single shot only/no mags. When Australians want to shoot the living shit out of things, we fly to the U.S.A.

    Anonymoose
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    Seemingly contrary to some of the points I’ve been making in the other million posts about this topic, I don’t really have a problem with this logic (silly comparisons to countries with different cultures and using likely-massaged numbers aside). If we want “gun-ly nation,” then we’re willing to accept the risks that come with that status. Maybe that risk drops safety from 99.9% to 99.0% – maybe that risk means a higher rate of firearms use factored into crime statistics. It’s our decision to make, whichever way we go with it so long as we accept those possibilities – and… Read more »

    EmilyMI
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    EmilyMI

    For me who truly needs an assault rifle? Hunting? Having a gun to protect yourself is a valid excuse to own certain types of guns. My father/younger Brother are both proud gun owners for either hunting or protecting their home. They even said that assault rifles needs to be banned, and both of them admit that there is not see a valid excuse to owning one – Just my two cents.

    dr.house
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    Don’t.Feed.The.Troll.

    ep
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    ep

    Sandy Ridge Elementary? Anyone remember what happened there? Any of you gun nuts want to try and explain how that was an OK thing?

    RalphtheDog
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    RalphtheDog

    99.8% are happy friendly guns.
    0.2% are mean baddy guns that shoot people. Shame on you.

    According to the National Institute of Justice (2009), Americans owned an estimated 310,000,000 firearms. 0.2% of 310,000,000 is only 620,000 guns that are purposefully killing your own people.
    Phew. I feel better already.

    Korinthian
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    We should ban USA from going to way and being such a militaristic nation. I think that might solve a problem or two.

    m4ko
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    m4ko

    It’s so simple really… just look at Germany. I used to live there. No1 except Police, Army, Hunters and Competition shooters have access to guns. There are harsh legislation on all of those. As a normal person not in one of those positions you can’t get any gun. And even wearing big knives/swords/many other weapons in public is criminalized. And even some weapons like butterfly / spring knives are completely banned from ownage. In short: No normal civilian wears a serious weapon on the street and even for home defence the best they got is probably a baseball bat or… Read more »

    Korinthian
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    I listened to a recent Freakonomics podcast about guns, some expert there had a theory about why guns had the potential to make crime more serious (outside of the obvious reasons). It boiled down to this: before guns if you met someone bigger and stronger than you, you’d back down and not fight. You could tell before the fight ever happened that you’d lose. After guns, though, it doesn’t matter how big the other guy is, a bullet through his head will win you the fight. So guns equalize things in such a way that escalates conflicts. I cannot speak… Read more »



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