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    Guest
    guest

    Cute. Now put next to the number of deaths on each country, the percentage of black people in the population. Correlation is a wonderful thing, isn’t it?

    WistfulD
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    Trolldom apparently is as well.

    Nelson
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    Holy shit that is the most openly racist shitty comment I have ever read on this site.

    Can we get this one a prize?

    #makecasemdsgreatagain
    Member

    In all honest if a nigger doesn’t want to pay me my drug money then a nigger is going to get a cap in their black ass.
    Peace mother fucker, go with Jesus

    Nelson
    Member

    fair play

    *stands to clap*

    gak
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    gak

    I’m not going to dignify the “number of black people” comment with a response, but as for the rest of it, here are some more statistics: USA has 90% of it’s homicides from guns, compared to 81% for Switzerland, 48% for Canada, 47% for Israel, 20% for Sweden, 7% for Germany, 6% for Japan and 4% for the UK. USA also has 4.2 homicides per 100,000 population (3.7/100,000 gun homicides) compared to 2.1 (0.9) for Israel, 1.6 (0.8) for Canada, 1.2 (0.0) for the UK, 1.0 (0.2) for Sweden, 0.8 (0.1) for Germany, 0.7 (0.5) for Switzerland, and 0.3 (0.0)… Read more »

    Gilez
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    What if it’s a people problem?

    gak
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    gak

    It may well be, but I feel there is a better chance of convincing Americans to control their guns than getting them to admit that it’s not really the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    DrEvil
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    DrEvil

    Would you feel better if more people were beat to death with hammers?

    gak67
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    gak67

    Better? Yes. Good? No. If more people were beat to death with a hammer there would be less deaths over all, simply because you need to up close and personal with a hammer and be relatively physically fit, whereas with a gun you can be further away and don’t need too much strength. Less homicides would therefore make me feel better. The fact that people were still being murdered would mean I still wouldn’t feel good about it. What was your point?

    tacos
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    tacos

    We should be like Mexico then and have strict gun control. Their crime rate and homicide rate is so low after all.

    Oops.

    Mexico, 2007:
    -Homicide rate: 8.7 per 100,000*
    -Gun ownership: 15 per 100,000 (rank: 42/178)

    But wait:

    Switzerland, 2007:
    -Homicide rate: 0.7 per 100,000
    -Gun ownership: 45.7 per 100,000 (rank: 4/178)

    Well that makes no sense.

    *Their rate for 2011 is 23.7, an increase of 172%. I am sure glad for our neighbors down South that gun control works for them, aren’t you?

    gak67
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    gak67

    I think you need to re-think your definition of “strict gun control”. There is a huge difference between strict gun control and strict gun control laws. The laws might be there in Mexico, but are they enforced? We have strict gun control in my country, but we are an island nation and our borders are effectively policed, whereas in Mexico I imagine it would be easy to bring guns south from the US or north from Guatemala or Belize.

    tacos
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    tacos

    No offense to you, but unless you have reason to doubt something other than what you “think” then don’t bother replying. Not trying to cause an argument here, I’d rather be civil, but every gun control debate I have always boils down to this: –“I think guns are bad.” –Statistics from me. –“Then why !” –Debunk their statement. –“Well you’re just a gun nut faggot.” –Cry and clean my guns with my tears. I spend time to write a counter; I pull statistics, read facts, do my research, try to not state something as truth when I have nothing to… Read more »

    gak67
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    gak67

    To the poster below this one: I couldn’t for some reason reply to your post, so hopefully you read this. No offence was taken, but in a forum like this surely peoples opinions can be expressed. Also, logic has to be used to back up opinions (I know it is a stretch for some people on the internet to be logical, but you seem to be ok). Let me say I don’t think guns are bad. I have used guns before – not hand guns, but shot guns, air rifles, and lager calibre rifles. What I think is bad is… Read more »

    tacos
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    tacos

    Actually USA has a HOMICIDE problem. How homicides are committed and the fact that they ARE committed has little to do with the availability of firearms. Out of 178 countries you could look at their intentional homicide rate and firearms per household and you wouldn’t find a correlation between the two: Honduras: –Gun ownership: 6.2 per 100,000 –Homicide rate: 91.6 per 100,000 Iceland: –Gun ownership: 30.3 per 100,000 –Homicide rate: 0.3 per 100,000 Meaning the average gun owner would have to kill at least 14 people to match the homicide rate in Honduras. Whereas in Iceland one out of over… Read more »

    traveller
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    traveller

    It’s funny you should mention Israel, there everyone is trained in using guns during ACTIVE SERVICE AS TEENAGERS, are in the armed reserves for life. Perhaps the problem isn’t the guns, it’s training!

    Goldfinger
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    Yeah, only they don’t take their guns home. Only former officers above a certain rank are allowed to own private handguns.
    Why emphasize the teenagers? It’s not like they start service with 15 yrs.

    Kalil
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    Kalil

    Not one of you douchnozzles noticed that it states West Germany?

    (According to the poster above, perhaps thats because there were no people of the dark sun in East Germany? heh)

    Wetwrks
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    Wetwrks

    Oddly…it doesn’t state how many of the dead were criminals who were in the process of committing a crime…or maby not so odd. Maby this is trying to push an agenda and doesn’t care about telling the truth behind those statistics.

    Nelson
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    So why are there so may criminals in America?

    I mean I’m not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that there are way more criminals in the USA (if so then why?) or are you saying all those other countries in the poster should be KILLING more criminals?

    Nelson
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    Yes KILL the insane, KILL the criminals, KILL the poor and desperate! they are shit people anyway

    Charles
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    Charles

    The statistics are misleading. Only 8 of how many countries are listed? that’s called cherry picking. Only picking the ones that support your agenda. Also the numbers are pretty meaningless without reference information on crime. Are you trying to suggest that 10,000 people in the US, just for the fuck of it, decided to go out and randomly shoot people?

    gak67
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    gak67

    It could be cherry picking, or it could be an effective comparison between countries with similar economic, technical and political profiles.

    Charles
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    Charles

    How come Norway wasn’t listed, or any of the other countries that have had horrific murders?

    gak
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    gak

    Remember that the horrific murders in Norway were from explosions and high powered rifles – not handguns as in the original post.

    storminator
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    The U.S. has better marksmanship…

    Nurgen
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    Nurgen

    6 year old image using 20+ year old figures. As long as we’re using outdated figures to make a point, let’s use the figures from 1944. ZOMG France has a gun problem!

    Seriously though, anyone wanting to make a point about gun problems in the U.S is welcome to use current figures, listing countries that, you know… still exist.

    gak
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    gak

    The stats in my reply to the first comment are current.

    MyConfinedCanuck
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    That’s why I have a shotgun, I don’t want to make some scumbag just another handgun statistic.

    Anon
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    Anon

    I think everyone should be given a gun, and what ever drugs they want, heroin, crack whatever; because, hey Drugs dont kill people, people kill people.

    DrEvil
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    DrEvil

    SOunds good, I’ll trade my drugs for your gun.

    Old Tofu
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    Old Tofu

    you aimed for sarcasm but hit the truth, i know a few addicts and its a choice

    Windwalker
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    Windwalker

    Wow I didnt know that firearms are rising up and killing people like vehicles did in Maximum Overdrive. All this time I thought it was the person using the firearm. If we are going to blame the object (because it isnt like we have had mass slayings by knives,bows etc)are we going to blame silverware for obesity?

    Anon
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    Anon

    The reply to that would be, if he didnt have the gun this may not have happened.
    The funny thing about all this is the statement;
    Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Then why make it easy for people to kill each other? They obviously cant be trusted.
    The weapon is just a tool that allows even an idiot the ability to kill without too much effort.
    Therefore some sort of weapon control is needed because of a minority.
    This is what is called logic. You should try it sometime.

    Windwalker
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    Windwalker

    Hence my comment about bows and knives both of which have been used in mass attacks this year. The reality is this: if someone is going to snap and attack a bunch of people it can be done with any weapon or item capable of being used as such. A better move would be to include a history of mental disorder on the background check.Does a firearm make it easier? Yes and no.A skilled archer can put almost as many arrows out there as a semi automatic weapon. Its also silent. To me the bow attack was far more terrifying… Read more »

    Anon
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    Anon

    Your comparison is invalid. Someone using a bow, needs to have some skill in order to use if effectively, I know I shoot recurve. A knife is not a ranged weapon and therefore someone wielding it is more easily dealt with. Virtually any moron can pick up a gun and use it, you just put the bullets in then point and click. I say to everyone who is against gun control, is one child’s life worth you being able to own a handgun? I am not American, I don’t really understand this obsession with owning a firearm, it’s obviously engrained… Read more »

    Old Tofu
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    Old Tofu

    ask the Israelis if people will resort to other means to accomplish their goals

    Old Tofu
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    Old Tofu

    sometimes you have to thin the herd, and how did that gun control work out in Norway?

    Old Tofu
    Member
    Old Tofu

    actually none of the guns in the columbine shootings would have been in cluded in any ban, no assault rifles or high capacity magazines and the did a lot more shooting

    DaftGhosty
    Member

    Not trying to be offensive, but you really show your ignorance about fire arms in your post. I’ve seen people miss their target at only 3 meters under a no stress situation (If you want to know why. I can tell you in detail why, many people who have no firearm training are horrible shots at point blank, much less at range). It is not as simple as picking up the gun and pulling the trigger. That right there tells me you speak from the point of view of someone who has never handled a firearm. If someone said shooting… Read more »

    Old Tofu
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    Old Tofu

    yeah

    Old Tofu
    Member
    Old Tofu

    timothy mcveigh didn’t need a gun and the IRA did a lot damage without guns

    Anon
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    Anon

    explosives dont kill people, people kill people

    Goldfinger
    Member

    Terrorists are always such a good comparison to everyday criminals.

    Old Tofu
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    Old Tofu

    guns also allow those less physically capable or out numbered to defend themselves.

    WOOPIE GOLDBURGH
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    WOOPIE GOLDBURGH

    POOP

    Korinthian
    Member

    That’s a nice looking revolver, though!

    Old Tofu
    Member
    Old Tofu

    colt python .357 magnum, oh yeah!

    WOOPIE GOLDBURGH
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    WOOPIE GOLDBURGH

    IM FAMOUS I AM THE KING YOU WILL BOW TO ME, BOW TO ME NOW. AND EAT LOTS OF POOP RUB IT ALL OVER YOUR FACE. IM WOOPIE GOLDBURGH!!!!

    Luminary
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    Luminary

    There hasn’t been a West Germany for over twenty years.

    Old Tofu
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    Old Tofu

    well there goes my vacation plans

    MADMARTIGAN
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    MADMARTIGAN

    You Anti-Gun freaks are just the dumbest people I have ever heard! “cant be trusted” what kind of shit is that? Why do you people want ever part of youre life controlled? I dont get. Dont you want to live free? Youre worried about guns but our goverment is taking rights away from us left and right. the U.N. wants to make laws over US Citizens!(Agenda 21) Wake the FUCK UP!

    Luke Magnifico
    Member

    Your guns aren’t stopping the systematic dismantling of your freedom, broheim. Do you really think the government are afraid of your peashooters?

    Widespread gun violence is inevitable in a society that treats the words of men who died hundreds of years ago after coming out of a bloody, brutal rebellion as inalienable and sacred.

    MADMARTIGAN
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    MADMARTIGAN

    That’s the point, all the guns laws we have now violate our rights, WE should have access to those same weapons the government has. Widespread gun Violence? really where? Are you upset about all the gang shootings?

    Nelson
    Member

    hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    where is my B2 bomber then, I want my B2 bomber.
    The government has them so I should too.

    what a paranoid totally idiotic sentiment.

    Old Tofu
    Member
    Old Tofu

    you can’t afford it

    Luke Magnifico
    Member

    ALL THE SHOOTINGS

    EVERYWHERE

    HAPPENING ALL THE TIME

    DrEvil
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    DrEvil

    The worst violence are in those areas with the most restrictive gun laws. The people in those areas do not obey the law. Making more laws will only disarm the people who follow the law, which are the people who should not be disarmed in the first place. Disarming law abiding people will not make any safer.

    gak
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    gak

    I live in a country that has relatively tight gun control laws and feel remarkably free. For starters I send my kids off to school free from the fear they will get shot while there.

    DrEvil
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    DrEvil

    Russia and Mexico have super tight gun control laws and are way more violent than the US. Cherry picking facts is not that difficult.

    Old Tofu
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    Old Tofu

    and how does your minority to majority compare to the US

    WOOPIE GOLDBURGH
    Guest
    WOOPIE GOLDBURGH

    I AM THE KING

    Lou
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    Lou

    I’m from Germany and i never had a gun in my live. Still i’m feeling somewhat free and surprisingly save.

    Luke Magnifico
    Member

    I was in Berlin for a weekend and I saw a cop on the bus with a gun. It made me feel decidedly unsafe.

    Goldfinger
    Member

    Yeah? Would you feel much safer if it was just some random civilian with a gun?

    Old Tofu
    Member
    Old Tofu

    sounds like a personality disorder

    Goldfinger
    Member

    Maybe that question came off the wrong way. I’m really interested: Would you feel more, less or equally unsafe around a civilian with a gun than around a cop with a gun?

    Luke Magnifico
    Member

    I’d prefer neither had guns. My country’s pretty much firearm-free and it’s never been a cause for concern.

    Goldfinger
    Member

    In that case I think I can understand why armed cops worry you. If I came to another country and cops around me were armed with automatic rifles as a standard, I’d be worried, too, I guess.
    I think you just get used to the level of armament of law enforcement in your country. Although I’m still pretty anxious when cops safeguarding demonstrations are armed with firearms.

    DrEvil
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    DrEvil

    Your welcome. You are free thanks to the millions of American servicemen who have protected your country for the last 70 years. They did that with guns and other weapons. Imagine that, weapons = safety and security for entire nations.

    Goldfinger
    Member

    Yeah, armies of soldiers can provide security for a nation. But the difference between a soldier and some twit with a handgun is that one is a trained specialist in combat and handling firearms and the other is just some twit with a handgun.

    Luminary
    Member
    Luminary

    “Trained specialist”, ha! It takes like twenty minutes to learn how to handle a gun safely, and how well cops shoot is debatable.
    www.examiner.com/article/innocent-bystanders-injured-by-police-empire-state-building-shooting
    16 shots fired, seven hits, nine innocent bystanders injured. But they’re the only ones who are qualified enough to be trusted with guns.

    gak67
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    gak67

    My country is a free country. It was a free country well before the US military helped defend it, but it remained free with their (and others) assistance. That doesn’t have any relation to the arguments posted above though. There is a huge difference between the defence of a nation from attack from another nation and a homicide.

    bud
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    bud

    My dad has had a handgun for more than 40 years I’ve never seen him have to restrain it from jumping up and killing someone.

    Korinthian
    Member

    I guess that’s a sign that he doesn’t need one to protect himself with.

    Should you tell him or should I?

    Luke Magnifico
    Member

    SICK BURN

    Old Tofu
    Member
    Old Tofu

    wow thats dumb.

    Luke Magnifico
    Member

    You’re dumb

    Old Tofu
    Member
    Old Tofu

    that’s it, I’m telling mom

    Nelson
    Member

    Dirk why am I not surprised that you support Israel and have a problem with minorities, you are giving casemods a run for his money in the scumbag race.

    Old Tofu
    Member
    Old Tofu

    first, you’re assuming that I support Israel which is not what the conversation was nabout but whatever, second why would you assume I have a problem with minorities? because populations as large and as diverse as America’s are going to have more crime. that’s fact deal with it , the restaurant I work for has been robbed 4 times , all 4 were black men robbing chinese men so which minority are you talking about . please don’t assume everyone on the internet is a simple minded racist fucktard like you ,it exposes your lack of culture.

    Old Tofu
    Member
    Old Tofu

    so you’re saying the newtown shooting wasn’t ?

    Panda123
    Member

    People kill people. Handgun is just a method. If people want to kill people, they will find another method, even if there are no guns at all. In cave days they would use a rock and bash a persons head in. Let’s outlaw rocks too. People are so damn dumb, and getting dumber every day.



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