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May 11, 2012 at 4:21 pm
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May 11, 2012 at 4:48 pm
He isn’t frothing at the mouth, it seems to me like he is making a sane and cogent argument.
May 11, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Not that religions invented in modern times are always more coherent than the ones invented by ancient Jews. But at least there’ll probably be fewer gods of love killing people left and right (because that’s just obvious BS, we understand that now).
May 11, 2012 at 6:23 pm
HOLY SHIT HE JUST DEVISED AN EXPERIMENT THAT CAN PROVE WHETHER OR NOT GOD IS REAL
May 11, 2012 at 6:33 pm
He’s too late; Christians already did that.
May 11, 2012 at 6:46 pm
As a hypothesis, it’s pretty clever. As an argument against the existence of gods, it’s begging the question.
May 11, 2012 at 8:06 pm
As an argument against the existence of the specific gods of the present day, it’s speculative, but sounds pretty solid. How many other bum religions were cast off as voodoo before we finally found what Christians would call the “right” one?
We can never know, but I really doubt we’d see people talking about the guy who was born in a manger in jerusalem, visited by three wise men, and all that other tripe. It’d be a whole new story, and plenty of different values.
May 11, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Also: Note that we haven’t come across some isolated jungle tribe that worship Jesus.
Surely a god would be able to reveal himself in more than one specific Jew-myth-soaked place in the desert?
May 11, 2012 at 6:24 pm
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May 11, 2012 at 6:36 pm
An Ass? I hear he takes care of mute people.
May 11, 2012 at 6:45 pm
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May 11, 2012 at 6:47 pm
What (which both religion and science can explain)is better explained through religion?
May 11, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Philosophically the origin of species is better speculated in religion than science. The theory of the necessary existent holds more validity than the big bang. Something can’t come from nothing. Science’s best answer is: well here is the first something then we think. Maybe. Based on what we see through a telescope and what we’ve found in the dirt. But what created that something?
According to science time is infinite and reality began after an explosion. They don’t get into the whole what created time and the explosion part or what came before it. Religion posits that there was something that created the initial points of time and reality.
Something can’t come from nothing.
May 11, 2012 at 8:02 pm
So who creates the Creator?
May 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm
if something created time and space and the physical realm, then by definition it cannot have a beginning in space or time.
tl;dr if there is a Creator, it can’t have a beginning
lol Alpha and Omega indeed
May 13, 2012 at 9:18 am
By that logic other universes/places outside our universe wouldn’t have their own space and time.
I don’t buy it.
May 11, 2012 at 8:12 pm
What origin of species? That animals just popped into existence in the same garden and then were reduced to pairs to be shipped around on an ark (where they didn’t eat each other or the ark, and where food was not an issue). Or do you mean humanity’s origin: dirt and rib? Were you perhaps referring to a less silly origin story?
According to Christianity, Yahweh’s infinite and exists outside time. It doesn’t delve into the whole what created him and how existence is possible outside time, or what came before him.
Religion can posit whatever it likes, but let’s face it: it doesn’t consider what evidence there is out there (like an expanding universe). So it’s just mere guesswork.
Something can’t come from nothing? But a god can always exist and magic universes into existence? You clearly have no problem believing fantastical things, so nothing->something shouldn’t be a problem for you.
Also, are you quite sure that scientists claim that the big bang started with nothing? I admit I don’t keep up with astrophysicists on this, but I seem to remember a dense mass being the starting point of the big bang expansion (not explosion).
Perhaps you have some other example? Something that is more easily compared than an occurrence so nebulous as the start of time and space would be most excellent.
May 11, 2012 at 8:25 pm
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May 11, 2012 at 8:39 pm
We don’t know what came before the dense mass. Should we assume it was nothing? I’m not so sure.
I’m not hell bent on there being no god, I just don’t believe there is one. And seriously, there ain’t any good reasons to believe in one.
I’m not sure all religions have at least one god (I don’t think Buddhism does. Scientology? Maybe.) In any case, the definition of a god changes depending on the religion, so I’m not sure what impact it has on this discussion.
I take it your ranting is you giving up on the whole “religion explains things better than science” thing. That’s pretty sad, but wholly expected.
Retards have feelings too, you know
May 11, 2012 at 10:46 pm
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May 12, 2012 at 2:03 am
Buddha isn’t their god, he’s more of man who is idolised. They say basically anyone can reach the level of transcendence that Buddha did, you just have to put in the dedication
May 12, 2012 at 8:36 am
I’m still waiting for another example, Navi.
Put some effort into it! I’m sure there are *a lot* of examples you can draw from, or is that the only thing (you think) religion can answer better than science?
Your blustering isn’t fooling anyone: you’re either trying to buy time to come up with an answer, or you know you’re beaten.
May 11, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Weak sauce.
Something can’t come from nothing… So God made it. And he came from?
A universe can’t come from nothing, but an all-knowing, all-powerful God can? Or did he start as a spark, and gradually expand into a massive, powerful, “everything that exists”
Weak. Fucking. Self. Defeating. Sauce.
May 11, 2012 at 10:42 pm
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May 12, 2012 at 2:16 am
Reading your comment felt like I was watching this again: www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/03/31/peanut-butter-proof-of-biblical-creation/#comments
May 11, 2012 at 7:35 pm
I almost read your comment. Silly me.
May 11, 2012 at 10:43 pm
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May 11, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Magnets Penn, how do they work?
May 11, 2012 at 11:54 pm
It’s funny because I saw a video of him saying he was agnostic, not atheist, saying he just didn’t know one way of the other.
Great guy though, smart, kind, and wickedly talented.
May 12, 2012 at 8:18 am
If he’s not a theist he’s an atheist. I guess that makes him an agnostic atheist.
May 12, 2012 at 3:18 am
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May 12, 2012 at 8:16 am
I guess you missed the point.
Allow me to spell it out for you: science is based on observations and evidence, religion is based on (random) brain farts.
Yeah, I said it: random.
May 12, 2012 at 5:27 pm
I guess you missed *my* point since you pretty much justified what I just said. Try thinking a little harder on what’s being presented rather than just hitting the thumb down button.
May 13, 2012 at 9:20 am
I have never thumbed you down, just a fyi.
I don’t believe in censorship.
May 12, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Note the numerous occasions when different people have independently discovered the same principle (Newton and Leibniz formulating calculus, for instance, though they worked from similar premises, that’s the first example that comes to mind.) You never really see people in different times and places discovering Zoroastrianism or the pantheon of Greek gods, two religions that are equally valid as Christianity, that is to say, not at all.
By the way, let’s have a big round of applause for Magnus Buttfoorson for predictably confirming the stereotype of insecure theists lashing out at the least hint of threat to their dearly-held imaginings. Interestingly, he mixes it up with pseudo-philosophical missives about the “necessary existent” in the same sentence as “cocklicker”, somehow believing that “philosophy” and name-calling can trump science. I guess he has a point, seeing as philosophy has led to modern medicine, computer technology, a vastly increased standard of living over people living even a hundred years ago, and sent men to the moon.
Oh, wait…
May 13, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Pursuant to my earlier point:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multiple_discoveries
May 12, 2012 at 6:37 pm
He feels sure that there is not a creator God of any kind. I’m disappointed. That means Jillette is only a man of faith.
May 12, 2012 at 8:09 pm
It’s not faith if it’s based on actual evidence, or complete and total lack of evidence, as the case may be.
May 12, 2012 at 11:38 pm
My heroin addict sister just called me to tell me she has a staph infection on her face. I wish she would kill herself.
May 13, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Skulls for the skull throne imo.
May 15, 2012 at 11:54 pm
wow he’s a genius. IF only this and IF only that.. ok, lets do it.. lets wipe everything out and see how that goes…oh, right, thats the problem.. so STFU you fat fuck and go do what you do best – “magic” tricks.. faggot
May 16, 2012 at 5:10 am
What, you didn’t like it when the Christian god wiped out everyone? You must not be a Christian.