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    GrandAdmiralThrawn

    It is funny how pretty you can dress up hate.

    Puulaahi

    Yeah, hate looks fantastic in red, white and blue.

    GrandAdmiralThrawn

    Way to jump ship dude.

    DullMentalRacket

    Say what you want about religion, it did inspire some beautiful architecture.

    Puulaahi

    Genocide, slavery and fanatics too.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    An absence of religion would not have made the world a better place. There just would have been a lot more genocide, slavery, and assholes.

    Puulaahi

    Or a hell of a lot less.

    HoChunk

    At the risk of actually supporting mags, folks should try to remember
    how many were enslaved & perished under 20th-century athiest states
    before re-imagining religion as the root of all evil.

    Destrucctaur

    These states didn’t kill people because of atheism.
    Religious states kill people because of religion.
    Fundamental difference here, see?

    Besides, which states do you mean anyway?
    Nazi Germany wasn’t atheist. Quite religious, in fact.
    Soviet Union is the only atheist dictatorship I can think of.

    I write one short sentence per row because the end parts
    of rows in third tier replies tend to cut short abruptly.

    HoChunk

    ^Who said it had to be a dictatorship? Ever heard of China?
    And yes: China and the Soviet Union did, in fact, kill people
    for having religious beliefs.
    By the MILLIONS.
    Which, no matter which way you look at it, is pretty much
    the same as killing someone because of athiesm.

    (and yeah, I’m getting that weird sentence cutoff thing as well.)

    Destrucctaur

    Stalin killed people because of their religion, because they
    were too wealthy, because they lived in the wrong place,
    because they were in his way, because he didn’t like their
    faces. Any reason was as good as another. And I’m yet to
    hear about him killing Orthodox Christians because of
    their religion. First, he was schooled as an Orthodox
    priest and second, a large number of Russians adhered
    to that religion and it wouldn’t have been prudent of him
    to upset them. Of course they were repressed, but so was
    everyone else, religious or not.

    As for Mao, he was Buddhist/Confucian/Taoist/whatever,
    as these terms can overlap. I haven’t heard about him
    killing buddhists (who constitute at least a half of
    Chinese people), not wholesale anyway.

    Killing religious people DOES NOT mean killing in
    the name of atheism. Period. I’m an atheist and I would
    love to be a dictator, preferable in some Caribbean
    banana republic, but I wouldn’t go about killing
    Catholics.

    HoChunk

    You’re projecting what you would do on what others
    have done. You don’t have an argument, you have only your
    own opinion.
    Furthermore, if you “haven’t heard about [Mao] killing
    buddhists…not wholesale, anyway”, you’ve got quite a lot
    of reading & fact-checking to catch up on.
    Lastly, reading comprehension: Killing religious people for
    being religious at all
    is killing in the name of athiesm.
    (which has been done, on a wide scale and as state policy, in both
    China and the Soviet Union –more fact-checking for you.)
    You’re trying to morph it into ‘killing people for their
    religion’, which even the religious can do.
    See the difference?

    HoChunk

    And where the living fuck did you come up with “As for Mao,
    he was Buddhist/Confucian/Taoist/whatever”…?

    Destrucctaur

    So your point is that Stalin killed religious people
    because of his atheism? This is ridiculous. He
    might’ve been an atheist (at least openly, just like
    Mao) or not, but I atheism is in no way
    grounds for murder. He killed religious people
    because he feared organized opposition
    from among these ranks, just as from among
    academics and so on. Not because “you’re
    religious, so I’ll kill you, just like that!

    Stalin was too practical to engage in such
    childishness.

    I’ll repeat – atheism is not grounds for murder,
    unlike religion. Religious writings provide
    ample direct or interpretative reasons.
    Darwin’s or Dawkins’s writings do not.
    If you kill in the name of atheism, then you
    really kill in the name of your own maniacal
    urges.

    And I’m not trying to protect Stalin in any
    way here. He’s the worst shit to ever walk
    the earth. As for Mao, his speeches and
    statements show the possibility that he
    really was religious. I read some analysis
    about this once. No, I don’t remember just
    where and thus cannot link and you
    wouldn’t probably agree with this anyway.

    HoChunk

    While I never mention Stalin per se, you continue to harp on him and the various reasons he had for slaughtering people. I mean…yeah, no shit he
    had lots of reasons. Most power-mad lunatics do. But one of
    them reasons he disappeared vast numbers of people and
    shipped them off to gulags was because they were openly
    religious. Same goes for a lot of Stalin successors, under-
    lings and the Soviet body politic as a whole. It was policy,
    long after Stalin kicked the bucket as well.

    “I’ll repeat – atheism is not grounds for murder,
    unlike religion. Religious writings provide
    ample direct or interpretative reasons.
    Darwin’s or Dawkins’s writings do not.
    If you kill in the name of atheism, then you
    really kill in the name of your own maniacal
    urges.”

    Do you not believe hatred for religion –all religion– could ever
    rise to the level of a maniacal, homicidal urge?

    I would, however, like to see that source about religious
    sentiments in Mao’s writings. Whether I agree or not, it sounds
    like it’d at least be an interesting read.

    Oh, and just a sidebar: Hitler used Darwin’s writings to justify
    killing those he felt genetically inferior, and many other atheist
    philosophers (Bertrand Russell, for instance) openly endorsed
    eugenics, so yeah, there actually IS something in such writings
    used for over a century to justify murder: “survival of the fittest”.

    HoChunk

    In a hurry to make an appointment; forgive crap English…

    Destrucctaur

    See? This is where we disagree about Stalin.
    I don’t think he was mad per se. Paranoid,
    sure, but every ruler with a party full of
    schemers behind him is. Other than that,
    he was quite rational. If he killed openly
    religious people, it was because he feared
    their influence, not because he hated them.

    And while yes, hatred for all religions could
    turn into homicidal urge, so could hatred
    towards any other thing. But killing
    others because your religion says so is,
    in my opinion, a completely unique form
    of homicidal mindset. One doesn’t have
    to be clinically insane to have such thoughts,
    religion alone suffices. This is why I refuse
    to let anyone bring out atheism as a
    particular reason for hatred – it’s just one
    of many possibilities – while religion is special.

    I don’t really remember the title or author
    of the Mao article, since it’s been a while
    since I read it.

    And you can’t blame Darwin for Hitler,
    nor can you equate his works with
    religious works. Darwin’s work was of
    science and observation; religious books
    are meant to guide and command people.
    If someone takes a sentence from
    “On the Origin of Species” and decides
    to kill in its name, then, well, blame his madness
    and not Darwin.

    And a sidebar from myself: I am a racist;
    I believe some people are genetically inferior
    and I support eugenics to some extent.
    I just don’t support murder to achieve these goals.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca

    No matter where you go all monuments looks like penises.

    Destrucctaur

    Surprised? If monuments were modeled after vaginas, they’d look like shopping malls from ground level.

    becauseofoz

    Mind Blown

    Jetri Kidd

    what heights we reach, for love and ignorance

    tood

    People are what they are. For some religion inhibits their baser impulses, for others it is an excuse for it.

    If there were no religion bad people would do bad things, good people good things, and stupid people stupid things.

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