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    1. It is funny how pretty you can dress up hate.

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    2. Say what you want about religion, it did inspire some beautiful architecture.

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      • Genocide, slavery and fanatics too.

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        • An absence of religion would not have made the world a better place. There just would have been a lot more genocide, slavery, and assholes.

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          • At the risk of actually supporting mags, folks should try to remember
            how many were enslaved & perished under 20th-century athiest states
            before re-imagining religion as the root of all evil.

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            • These states didn’t kill people because of atheism.
              Religious states kill people because of religion.
              Fundamental difference here, see?

              Besides, which states do you mean anyway?
              Nazi Germany wasn’t atheist. Quite religious, in fact.
              Soviet Union is the only atheist dictatorship I can think of.

              I write one short sentence per row because the end parts
              of rows in third tier replies tend to cut short abruptly.

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            • ^Who said it had to be a dictatorship? Ever heard of China?
              And yes: China and the Soviet Union did, in fact, kill people
              for having religious beliefs.
              By the MILLIONS.
              Which, no matter which way you look at it, is pretty much
              the same as killing someone because of athiesm.

              (and yeah, I’m getting that weird sentence cutoff thing as well.)

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            • Stalin killed people because of their religion, because they
              were too wealthy, because they lived in the wrong place,
              because they were in his way, because he didn’t like their
              faces. Any reason was as good as another. And I’m yet to
              hear about him killing Orthodox Christians because of
              their religion. First, he was schooled as an Orthodox
              priest and second, a large number of Russians adhered
              to that religion and it wouldn’t have been prudent of him
              to upset them. Of course they were repressed, but so was
              everyone else, religious or not.

              As for Mao, he was Buddhist/Confucian/Taoist/whatever,
              as these terms can overlap. I haven’t heard about him
              killing buddhists (who constitute at least a half of
              Chinese people), not wholesale anyway.

              Killing religious people DOES NOT mean killing in
              the name of atheism. Period. I’m an atheist and I would
              love to be a dictator, preferable in some Caribbean
              banana republic, but I wouldn’t go about killing
              Catholics.

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            • You’re projecting what you would do on what others
              have done. You don’t have an argument, you have only your
              own opinion.
              Furthermore, if you “haven’t heard about [Mao] killing
              buddhists…not wholesale, anyway”, you’ve got quite a lot
              of reading & fact-checking to catch up on.
              Lastly, reading comprehension: Killing religious people for
              being religious at all
              is killing in the name of athiesm.
              (which has been done, on a wide scale and as state policy, in both
              China and the Soviet Union –more fact-checking for you.)
              You’re trying to morph it into ‘killing people for their
              religion’, which even the religious can do.
              See the difference?

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            • And where the living fuck did you come up with “As for Mao,
              he was Buddhist/Confucian/Taoist/whatever”…?

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            • So your point is that Stalin killed religious people
              because of his atheism? This is ridiculous. He
              might’ve been an atheist (at least openly, just like
              Mao) or not, but I atheism is in no way
              grounds for murder. He killed religious people
              because he feared organized opposition
              from among these ranks, just as from among
              academics and so on. Not because “you’re
              religious, so I’ll kill you, just like that!

              Stalin was too practical to engage in such
              childishness.

              I’ll repeat – atheism is not grounds for murder,
              unlike religion. Religious writings provide
              ample direct or interpretative reasons.
              Darwin’s or Dawkins’s writings do not.
              If you kill in the name of atheism, then you
              really kill in the name of your own maniacal
              urges.

              And I’m not trying to protect Stalin in any
              way here. He’s the worst shit to ever walk
              the earth. As for Mao, his speeches and
              statements show the possibility that he
              really was religious. I read some analysis
              about this once. No, I don’t remember just
              where and thus cannot link and you
              wouldn’t probably agree with this anyway.

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            • While I never mention Stalin per se, you continue to harp on him and the various reasons he had for slaughtering people. I mean…yeah, no shit he
              had lots of reasons. Most power-mad lunatics do. But one of
              them reasons he disappeared vast numbers of people and
              shipped them off to gulags was because they were openly
              religious. Same goes for a lot of Stalin successors, under-
              lings and the Soviet body politic as a whole. It was policy,
              long after Stalin kicked the bucket as well.

              “I’ll repeat – atheism is not grounds for murder,
              unlike religion. Religious writings provide
              ample direct or interpretative reasons.
              Darwin’s or Dawkins’s writings do not.
              If you kill in the name of atheism, then you
              really kill in the name of your own maniacal
              urges.”

              Do you not believe hatred for religion –all religion– could ever
              rise to the level of a maniacal, homicidal urge?

              I would, however, like to see that source about religious
              sentiments in Mao’s writings. Whether I agree or not, it sounds
              like it’d at least be an interesting read.

              Oh, and just a sidebar: Hitler used Darwin’s writings to justify
              killing those he felt genetically inferior, and many other atheist
              philosophers (Bertrand Russell, for instance) openly endorsed
              eugenics, so yeah, there actually IS something in such writings
              used for over a century to justify murder: “survival of the fittest”.

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            • In a hurry to make an appointment; forgive crap English…

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            • See? This is where we disagree about Stalin.
              I don’t think he was mad per se. Paranoid,
              sure, but every ruler with a party full of
              schemers behind him is. Other than that,
              he was quite rational. If he killed openly
              religious people, it was because he feared
              their influence, not because he hated them.

              And while yes, hatred for all religions could
              turn into homicidal urge, so could hatred
              towards any other thing. But killing
              others because your religion says so is,
              in my opinion, a completely unique form
              of homicidal mindset. One doesn’t have
              to be clinically insane to have such thoughts,
              religion alone suffices. This is why I refuse
              to let anyone bring out atheism as a
              particular reason for hatred – it’s just one
              of many possibilities – while religion is special.

              I don’t really remember the title or author
              of the Mao article, since it’s been a while
              since I read it.

              And you can’t blame Darwin for Hitler,
              nor can you equate his works with
              religious works. Darwin’s work was of
              science and observation; religious books
              are meant to guide and command people.
              If someone takes a sentence from
              “On the Origin of Species” and decides
              to kill in its name, then, well, blame his madness
              and not Darwin.

              And a sidebar from myself: I am a racist;
              I believe some people are genetically inferior
              and I support eugenics to some extent.
              I just don’t support murder to achieve these goals.

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    3. No matter where you go all monuments looks like penises.

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    4. what heights we reach, for love and ignorance

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    5. People are what they are. For some religion inhibits their baser impulses, for others it is an excuse for it.

      If there were no religion bad people would do bad things, good people good things, and stupid people stupid things.

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