This Is Art

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If you want it to be.
…and if I don’t?

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    1. Now that you said it is, it is not.

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    2. I’ve heard of making a statement with your art… but this is stupid.

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    3. if you don’t, there is an ace hotel in seattle, portland, palm springs, new york and online. get in touch.

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    4. here’s how to make a firebomb to voice your disapproval

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    5. This represents the contemporary attitude towards art that many people actually have. “If I call myself an artist, I’m an artist.”

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      • That is exactly the problem. By definition, art is something most people can’t do, so if anyone can do it, it’s not art by definition. The image above is certainly something anyone can do, so it cannot be art by definition, whether you want it to be art or not.

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        • Just like taking naked pictures in black and white.

          It ain’t art.

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        • The definition of “art” is not that simple. You could broadly define it as the arrangement, or construction, of something in such a way as to affect the senses in a specific or unique way, OR to have a skill in one thing or another.

          That definition unfortunately leaves itself open to many interpretations. Beauty is generally considered the realm of the eye of the beholder, and this sorta means you don’t necessarily have to have any skill in order to produce “art”. IE it is not something that “most people can’t do”.

          Art, in the context in which I think you are speaking, is a construct created by contemporary artists, based on the features and composition of historical works that are known to elicit specific emotional responses.

          However to restrict it to this alone would not allow new techniques and ideologies to be recognized, hence our dilemma. We necessarily have to keep the definition broad, otherwise we might lose legitimate new contemporary works that would otherwise not be considered “Art”.

          The rest is left to individual interpretation.

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          • Anyone can APPRECIATE art, but it takes an artist to CREATE art. Look at music – ANYONE can appreciate a fine tune, but most folks would be lucky to sound like a cat being ground into sausage trying to play/sing that same tune themselves.

            Art requires an artist, and most people never apply themselves enough to be proficient, much less professional, much less artistic.

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            • This is generally true in theory, however in practice, I find that what constitutes “art” lies as much in the audience it is intended for, and how they interpret it, as the artist itself.

              Lets take, for example, rap music. If you were to ask, say the classical music crowd, whether Rap music is “art”, you are likely to get many different answers, depending on who you ask. And even within the Rap music crowd, you will have many differing opinions. Even supposedly “unskilled” rap musicians will have followers who deem their work “art”.

              So the question then becomes, is there some universal definition that we can fall back on to decide whether something is “art”? And how do we define a “skilled” artist? I have never found any black and white answers, but I remember reading about an experiment someone performed at a prestigious art gallery, where they mixed in a munch of random 6 (or something like that) year olds paintings along with a bunch of well known, contemporary artists’ work.

              Quite surprisingly, a large number of the so called art “connoisseurs” regarded the six year olds work on par with the professional artists work. That, to me, suggests many things, the most interesting ones (to me anyway) being that the rules regarding what constitutes art are not universal, and also that skill is not necessarily a determining factor in making art.

              One could possibly argue that the six year old in question was a prodigy, but even so, without any training/artistic background, or experience, there should still have been a significant gap in the perceived quality of the work, compared to a seasoned artists work. So at the end of the day, I think that not only is art a highly subjective endeavor, but the idea of artistic skill is equally subjective.

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            • So in the end, anything can be called art, even if it isn’t.

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            • Well, to paraphrase another saying, “One mans garbage is another mans art.”

              A lot of the things that many contemporary artists call “art” doesn’t seem all that artistic to me. I recently watched a youtube vid about a guy who collects New York city trash, organizes and repackages it, and sells it to people in other states and abroad, for a rather sizeable markup.

              Apparently there is an “art” to doing this, and he is quite “skilled” in this “Art”. But based on the amount of money he’s made doing this, people apparently do consider this art. Me, not so much. But then again I’m not into artsy garbage. Who knows.

              So unless a person can quantify what specific aspect of thier art requires the prerequisite “skill”, it is hard for a person not familiar with that particular the art form to judge the skill level of the artist.

              So personally, I prefer to avoid the subjective pitfall of trying to formally label anything “Art” or “Not Art” and will simply say I like what I like, don’t like what I don’t like, and could care less about the rest.

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            • Art does cause discussions about meaning, perhaps this pic was more Art than I thought it was.

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            • This? I don’t know. Personally, I think not. But this discussion reminds me of the business card scene from American Psycho:

              Was it just me, or was Paul Allens business card just absolutely mind blowing? Now THAT was art.
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