Phineas Gage

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I’ve known this dude’s story for years, but had no idea that photographs of him had been recently uncovered:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage


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    sherlockbonez
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    Tom Cruise?

    Error401
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    BOOM! Head shot.

    Dude respawned though.

    sherlockbonez
    Member

    Someone needs to spawn camp.

    Troik
    Member

    One can only wonder what went through his head.

    mld
    Member

    ummm…. the steel bar?

    RazirFyre
    Member

    This man is amazing.

    Jericho
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    Jericho

    “Mr. G. got up and vomited; the effort of vomiting pressed out about half a teacupful of the brain, which fell upon the floor.”

    Okay…

    deuce
    Member

    I bet it’s someone’s sexual fetish.

    Evilcritter
    Member

    Yeah, that part freaked me out. He puked, and a chunk of brain fell out of his head. I can’t really think of anything more horrific.

    mld
    Member

    Whoo hoo famous Vermonter..

    JamesTuskGeorge
    Member

    This guy is a relative of mine. I only mention it because I want to leech any fame or fortune that may arise from being connected in some way with a famous image.

    No, I don’t feel good about this, but what the hell.

    fracked again
    Member

    What a wonderful demonstration that there is no such thing as a soul separate from the body, or at all.

    RSIxidor
    Member

    How?

    Evilcritter
    Member

    I suspect he is referring to the personality change, which demonstrates that character has an organic basis, not a spiritual one.

    RSIxidor
    Member

    That does not prove anything. It only suggests.

    I have always thought if there is a soul, that the mentally challenged are normal in their spiritual form. They just have shitty CPUs.

    fracked again
    Member

    Exactly. Alter the brain, alter the person. The brain as a spiritual interface requires far too many unfounded assumptions.

    Evilcritter
    Member

    I like how you think, and I like your adorable rat avatar.

    fracked again
    Member

    Daww, rats are some of the sweetest little critters if hand raised. I used to work with them.

    Evilcritter
    Member

    I used to keep them as pets, Sweet little things. I found an abandoned one a few weeks ago, brought her to a rat rescue. I would have loved to have kept her, but she had some medical issues and I’m broke as frak.

    fracked again
    Member

    I’ll transfer your soul to my rod. 😀

    Phyreblade
    Member

    That inference is quite a jump given the facts of this case. There is not enough evidence in this, or any similar cases, to make any kind of presumption about the presence/absence of souls or spirits, etc.

    At best, all we can say is that certain parts of a persons brain may have a significant effects on a persons perception of their environment and demeanor, but even then, it by no means proves that a persons character is purely the sum total their higher brain functions.

    Evilcritter
    Member

    Religious types don’t give a fig for evidence, no matter how many cases are presented. They prefer to cling to their wishful thinking, and bizarre, primitive beliefs in blatent denial of reality. If the soul existed, injuries to this sack of meat that it inhabits should be irrelevant.
    It’s as offensive as believing that people with mental disorders are more in touch with a higher reality. No, their brains don’t work within acceptable parameters and as a result they cannot function within their culture.
    How about you present me with actual evidence of a soul, for a change.

    Phyreblade
    Member

    I hate to tell you this, but the burden of proving the existence or non-existence of a God, Gods, spirits, souls, etc, is for the scientific community, not the religious one. A faith, by definition, is something that is accepted without proof. So these “religious types” as you call them, do not actually have the burden of needing evidence of their beliefs. That you will simply have to live with. But this is not to say that religious folk are stupid, inherently irrational, incapable of logical thought, or care little for evidence. History is littered with many highly scientific minds… Read more »

    Evilcritter
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    Sorry, but I have no respect for religious thought. It is willful ignorance and it bugs the shit out of me. The concepts of souls and gods are constructs of the human mind, and are byproducts of our hierarchical social structure. Believing in a soul is just wishful thinking coupled with human arrogance. Tiresome. And scientists have no problems with updating their theories. That’s what science is about. Faith and science are ultimately irreconcilable, so I’m going to go with the one that actually exists, and affects my life. Just because the brain is not completely understood (and it is… Read more »

    Phyreblade
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    I wish it were true that scientists had no problems updating their theories when faced with contradictory evidence. But unfortunately, we have a nasty habit of becoming so entrenched in what we believe to be “proven science” that anything that does not fit into that neat little paradigm often faces significant scientific resistance before it becomes accepted. No matter how good the scientific method may be, it is only as good as the humans testing the hypothesis, and sadly, humans are inherently very flawed. There will always be intangibles that, as scientists, we must recognize that we do not know… Read more »

    Tiggle Bitties
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    The fact that the other hypotheses say they need no proof is pretty offensive. The fact that human effort has been put into attempts to verify and disprove hypotheses is what should be respected, not the fact that you had the guts to suggest one in the first place. Crazy people have all sorts of “hypotheses” and they can tote them like fact, much as religious people do. It infuriates me that you can even transfer the burden of proof across to a community that knows that what it may believe does not in their world view exist. Let me… Read more »

    Phyreblade
    Member

    While I appreciate your frustration, you are missing the point of my post, and possibly how the scientific process works. When I talk about respect, I am not referring to people, or irrational acts. I am referring to applying a scientific approach to any hypotheses that you can neither prove nor disprove. A hypothesis does not require proof in order to be proffered. The process of verifying or denying that hypothesis is the whole purpose of science. That IS the scientific method. This is why science bears the burden of proof. We start with unknowns, and calculated guesses, and attempt… Read more »

    Evilcritter
    Member

    I don’t think IRM is missing the point actually (even though he came dangerously close to enacting Godwin’s law there). Sure, the scientific process may start with a hypothesis, but it usually something rational. Therefore, the alien thieves hypothesis would not be tested until other, more likely, ideas had been explored and discarded. If the farmer’s story were linked to strange lights, other reports, physical evidence, then yes, all that would be considered. But religion doesn’t care about reason, and facts, and reality. What offends me is that someone would choose to stop thinking and instead just say “god did… Read more »

    Phyreblade
    Member

    Here’s the thing. You both seem to be assuming that the moment a person embraces religion, they stop thinking. There is a fundamental flaw with that line of reasoning, since the ability to think is not dependent on a persons decision to embrace or reject any system of faith or religious beliefs. It is entirely possible to have a critical thinker embrace a faith, simply because they recognize that science does not have all the answers they are looking for. As IRM correctly pointed out, many scientists who follow a religion do so for emotional, moral, or humanistic reasons, not… Read more »

    storminator
    Member

    i’ve known about him for ages- this is the first time i’ve seen anything other than his skull before! awesome post.

    nyoki
    Member

    One of the learning channels did a whole hour on the effects of that crowbar on his brain and personality. It really was interesting. He became extraordinarily violent after the incident.

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