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    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    Just try to imagine Christ at a Tea Party rally, protesting tax dollars spent on the ill and the needy, and then signing up to join the Army the next day. The evangelicals have no idea which way is north. They don’t even have a coherent set of values left. They are just following orders.

    jawajedi
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    jawajedi

    Ya… If you ever bothered to actually read the bill.. and your perfectly happy with granting the government the right to instate a national id card program, direct access to your finances, charge you upwards of $750 in fines if you don’t purchase health care… to name a few…. I’m not even a republican or conservative… yet its disturbing how many people including the current congress supported something they never read. I thought the liberal left was all about burning your id cards, freedom from the government, yet for some reason all you read and see on the news is… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    I’m not a fan of the Health Care Bill in the form that it passed, but here the the CBO report:
    www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/103xx/doc10310/06-15-KennedyLetter.shtml
    $1 trillion over ten years, less than $100 billion a year. That’s a lot, but not nearly “the largest deficit spending spree in history”. Hell, its barely a fraction of the cost of the wars in the middle east.

    the_duck
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    It does sound fantastic on paper, but the problem is the CBO can be manipulated because they are a neutral agency and are only allowed to score a bill based on the assumptions given to them on face value from those who wrote it. The major problems with the health care bill come from what is defined as “revenue”. These major components stand out: 1. $72.0 Billion from Federally backed disability insurance program (known as CLASS) where the premium paid into the program is counted as revenue even though it goes towards benefits that must be paid out to elderly… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    So where did you copy and paste that from? Because I KNOW that you didn’t just type that off the top of your head. Big numbers are meaningless without sources.

    the_duck
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    I’m an Economist & can pull a good deal of info off the top of my head…but for you, here are most of my sources: * $72 Billion for CLASS Act (Source: Philadelphia Inquirer): www.philly.com/inquirer/currents/86738692.html * $53 Billion from Social Security Taxes (Source: Wall Street Journal): online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703580904575132010839581020.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines * Medicare “Doctor’s Fix” Delay (source: American Medical News): www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2010/04/05/gvl20405.htm * $19.4 Billion Saving Ending Subsidies to Student Loan Program (source: CBO Report, Table 5, Title 2, Subtitle A – Education [page 23]): cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11355/hr4872.pdf * $500 billion in savings from reducing waste, fraud & abuse (source: Department of Health & Human Services, Richard… Read more »

    nyoki
    Member

    A public option would have been good, but I favor a single payer system. We’ve already got the set up in place.

    Oriahna
    Member

    yeah… I guess you’re right

    plotting to murder a group of police officers all in the name of
    ‘the tea party’ is totally what people should do if they don’t like a bill.
    Join the Tea Party, become an All American Terrorist

    DMYTRIW WDS
    Member

    These Christina militia weren’t associated with teabaggers. They’ve been planning and been watched by the feds way before Obama considered running for office. Teabaggers are cowards and hypocrites, the hutaree people are gun toting crazies that don’t even care about politics.

    tiki god
    Admin

    sounds like you haven’t read it either. it does not provide for RealID, nor does it charge upwards of $750 in fines. It provides AT MOST 2% fine, and will normally be somewhere in the neighborhood of $100. Even then, it’s just tacked onto your taxes, just like medicare and social security, and it’s not like you’re not getting something out of this. Either you have health care, and nothing new happens to you, or you don’t have health care, and you now have an option of not having $40,000 bills when/if you get bit by a snake. also, this… Read more »

    jawajedi
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    jawajedi

    well 1.5 – 2.0% of a working family making 50k can be between 750 to 1000 if not currently ensured, or elect not to insure. For many of the people around me that work in the machine shops with little or no coverage. They are about to get reamed.

    Cy85
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    Eh, the Real ID stuff was coming sooner or later anyways. That’s been looming since 2003. National security isn’t an issue that’s going away, so I kind of expected that.

    There’s already a shitload of things you and I pay for the privilege to do (or not do, such as NOT be insured as this bill outlines).

    suicydking
    Member

    Obama is a centerist-corporatist. How people get off calling him a socialist is beyond me. Our political window is a little too far to the right, I guess.

    Anyway, I would have loved to have seen the public option pass. Unfortunately, Sara Palin’s speeches about Obama killing your grandmother and other stupid shit knocked that out of the bill. Now we got this… and it’s kinda ‘meh’.

    tiki god
    Admin

    it’s coming, and quickly, the medicare buy in amendment is still alive and kicking: www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/10/grayson-offers-medicare-b_n_492831.html

    nyoki
    Member

    Grayson is one of my two current political bestest people evar, along w/ Wiener.

    deuce
    Member

    What’s really pathetic is that these people are basically afraid of stuff that’s not in the bill… but they’ve been told it IS in the bill, and they believe everything they’re told as long as it’s being told by Fox or Rush. And when someone presents them contrary evidence, no matter how well sourced, they just get angrier and more convinced of their existing beliefs.

    Useful idiots.

    madhouses visites
    Member

    Is this fail because the bill passed? Or am I missing something?

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
    Member

    Its “fail” because they disagree with them.

    *rolls eyes*

    Some day the tykes on here will learn that your political allegiance is moot. No matter who you vote for you will always be unhappy with the results.

    Even Jesus Obama can’t seem to make you happy.

    Learn the hard way and enjoy the pats you give yourself on the back but eventually you’ll find out you’d have been better off staying ;immature’ and enjoying your life.

    Oriahna
    Member

    yay me!

    I love being young, immature, and uninvolved politically cept for what I read on here

    nyoki
    Member

    I’ve wondered if Kennedy had not been assassinated, would he still have been so popular?



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