Science -vs- Elephants and Turtles

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Turtles all the way down. Well, except for the elephant.


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    natedog
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    THIS IS WHAT ATHEISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

    Dragunov
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    Dragunov

    THIS IS WHAT THEISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    I think I’ve lightened up on religion a bit in last few years, partly because of discussions on this board. But this pick sums it: Religion is a bunch of nice stories and maybe those stories make people feel better, but science is how we get shit done.

    TheLotusEater725
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    I find truth in this statement.

    kratsina
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    rip off of Discworld

    Luke Magnifico
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    o lawd

    Luke Magnifico
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    WHAT FUCKER DOWNVOTED ME

    I’LL RIP OFF YOUR BALLS, ASSWEASEL

    dogsurfer
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    I agree, but, what of morality? Without some conforming standard of good/evil or right/wrong, you end up with corruption, self-interest, behavior of “what can I get away with”, and posters like that CaseMods guy.

    Shanghai_Factor
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    @dogsurfer:

    In response to your statement “Without some conforming standard of good/evil or right/wrong, you end up with corruption, self-interest….” I give you this:

    books.google.com/books?id=yq1xDpicghkC&lpg=PP1&dq=god%20delusion&pg=PA223#v=onepage&q=&f=false

    Please start on page 223 where the paragraph begins “Typical of Hauser’s moral dilemmas…” and please read through page 226 until the large bolded passage “IF THERE IS NO GOD, WHY BE GOOD?”

    fracked again
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    Please don’t link casemods with a lack of religion. Our standard of morality comes, for the large part, from our society. We understand that owning slaves is wrong, but 150 years ago, this belief was not as common in the world, and religious arguments were made both for and against slavery. To liberal christians and muslims, their religions are religions of love and peace, but fundamentalists of any religion are willing to go to the ends allowed by their society to show hate and commit violence. The only reason that fundies in the US don’t execute gays in football stadiums… Read more »

    WistfulD
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    That has no relevance. The idea that there can be no morality without religion is patently false. In fact, it is paradoxical to believe that religion can define morality. Please look up the logical argument known as “Plato’s Fork.” Not only CAN morality exist outside of a religious framework, it is NECESSARY for it to be fully functional with no regard to the truth of the religious framework for it to be a reasonable moral system.

    dogsurfer
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    All valid rebuttals. I agree morality can be self-determined, learned from family, friends, and society. But not if you consider Nazis, barbarians, cultures who stone people to death for infractions, and closer to home, Salem witch trials and the KKK. Within their framework, their behavior is moral. Perhaps it is the role of religion to transcend governments and society to lay a definitive foundation of right & wrong. Including the super-natural with consequences is needed for some people for clout. Is religion obsolete? Consider the 2000 year old parable. A man get’s attacked by robbers and is left dying in… Read more »

    fracked again
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    But that definitive foundation is widely variable between societies, and as such, it fails.

    And that parable is just a story. The story has value, but the religion doesn’t. Aesop’s Fables are just as valuable, but the Greek pantheon just as bunk.

    dogsurfer
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    I can’t justify the myths that come with beliefs. But without a society independent morality, how do you address address corporate, governmental, or personal corruption? From their perspective, they behave right, by altering, or circumventing the laws. One unpaid downloaded song carries as $250K fine & 5 years prison for 1st time offenders. Special interests have extended copyrights to life of the author + 70 years. Millions of people do not observe that infringement. By inference, the laws do not represent the will of the people. By law, you owe a royalty for singing “Happy Birthday to you” (ref Snopes).… Read more »

    100110110110010
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    100110110110010

    This is so true.
    If I didnt believe in God, I would *IMMEDIATELY*
    steal from my neighbor, rape the closest female,
    and kill anyone I was alone with.
    I mean, what would stopping me?

    Flickerdart
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    Laziness, mostly.

    mikoyangurevich15
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    Science accomplishes,religion impedes.It`s that simple.

    natedog
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    most of the greatest scientists also believed in, or were inspired by, some kind of cosmic religious feeling

    fracked again
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    So?



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