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31 Responses to Turn In Your Knife Before Someone Turns It On You

  1. goddam that’s a bad way to hold a knife

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  2. Goddam that’s a bad way to run a country

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  3. Hasn’t airport security eliminated this problem yet?

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  4. It`s not the knives,it`s the Chavs.

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  5. Are knives a huge problem? Guns kill at long range. Guns kill many at a time. Knives are close in, not really good for mass murder. So why knives?

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    • True, but once they banned handguns, Britain’s equivalent of my American buddies who own firearms, “to protect my home and family!” (your mileage may very on how much of that is really the inflated self esteem of pretending that you are badass) all went out and got tactical combat knives with semi-assist spring loading or whatever is legal there, and think they are going to protect themselves from the thieves who are also so hamstrung. The problem is, knife fights ARE (as you mentioned) close in, and also quick, confusing, and difficult to predict (A guy draws his gun and demands your money when he’s ten feat from you, and you have no chance to rush him and take the gun from him. A guy with a knife pretends he’s just your average slightly seedy guy passing you on the sidewalk, and then quickly, oh no, we has a knife at your throat or something. Knife fights are messy. They are havoc to the semi precision of handgun exchanges. Over-eager former handgun wielding Brits with their nominal knife fighting experience are significantly more likely to have their knife used against them then they were to have had their handgun taken and used upon them. Take it from personal experience (when I was 19, I was mugged and dumb enough to think that 8 years of martial arts training meant that I could take this guy. A knife wound to the upper groin proved just how wrong I was), People who think they know what they are doing in a life or death situation make really terrible decisions. I’m sure that this is what this piece of public service anouncement was trying to target.

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  6. It’s unfortunate that Britain has run out of weapons to ban, yet still has pretty heinous crime rates. I can’t wait til they start banning cars because they’re used to run people over.

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  7. Basically if you get caught with a gun your quite literally getting a 3 year sentence, not exaggerating. A knife however you probably wont even get a sentence – so you carry a knife not a gun. Then you get the fact people assume a stab/slash is a lot safer than a gun shot, so people are more willing to “pull the trigger” with a knife.

    So anyone who expects a fight a week will have a knife, we started to realise we have to start treating knives nearly as harshly as guns to get people to stop carrying them.

    Whether any of it works is totally beyond me and it really doesnt affect me so I don’t really care, obviously the safer my friends and family are the better but *shrug* in terms of gay posters and radio ads with slang I doubt it will have much of an affect, giving some crosseyed mong 9 months in prison for getting caught flashing a knife at someone on CCTV however gets my thumbs up.

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  8. Yet another reason to never EVER go to the UK. I never leave home without my knife. I am also very happy to own an array of firearms.

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    • and I’m sure you’re happy to pretend that you are badass.

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    • Dude, what. I can’t even tell if you’re being sarcastic or not. Unless you live somewhere in a jungle your actual problem is called paranoia.

      This whole knife business may be retarded but there are loads of people who survive in the UK just fine without carrying knives when they leave their houses. Or gravy spoons. Or bazookas.

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      • Loads of people? What good odds! I have a good chance of not getting knifed today! We are all better off not trying to protect ourselves!

        Yes, I am a (legal) gun carrying American. I don’t own an arsenal, and I’m not crazy or badass. I am just serious about protecting my family.

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        • How about you don’t blame me for what other people said. I don’t have anything against people being allowed to own weapons. So when was the last time you survived only because you were carrying a knife.

          In England people tend to get hurt because of this kind of stuff mostly because they are in gangs, because they deliberately put themselves in dangerous situations. Just because some countries have stricter laws that you don’t agree with doesn’t mean you should tell people not to go there. That’s essentially what I was referring to.

          You’re not crazy or badass but you come across as a douche so there.

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          • Don’t get so defensive, I wasn’t trying to hurt your feelings.

            I agree that some people are stupid and put themselves in bad situations, which is the exact reason normal people should learn to protect themselves.

            I disagree with England’s anti firearm policy, but I’ve at least visited. I found it to be cold and damp, but quite beautiful and I would love to go back someday when I have time.

            “An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.”

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          • You didn’t, I just don’t like it when people make assumptions like that.

            Personally I don’t intend on ever owning any weapons, the only protection I have is my education and it worked fine so far. The only people I have heard of who got into trouble were always people who were troubled in the first place, if anything I would like to focus on creating a more educated and positive society.

            I know that the “the more guns the more crime” argument is flawed, there are enough prime examples such as Switzerland that prove it wrong. However there are also countries like Japan where they have extremely strict gun laws and extremely low crime rates. I think judging a country by its gun laws is just unnecessary, it all comes down to what kind of society are we talking about. The ideal situation to me would be when people stop worrying about making gun ownership illegal and whatnot but instead work on the people they are so afraid of.

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          • Ideals are great, ideal even, but not practical. Human nature is a sick and twisted thing that (in some cases) can’t be controlled without fear of consequences. The potential of getting shot by the person you’re trying to mug is a huge deterrent.

            Japan has an artificially low reported crime rate. My girlfriend (born and raised in Tokyo) has clued me in to what is actually going on there. There are people who go on killing sprees, rampant sexual deviancy, the yakuza drug trafficking and killing, etc. People who are caught often don’t live long enough to get tried.

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          • Human nature is a sick and twisted thing? I would say it’s curious that you come across these kind of people mostly where there is poverty and a lack of education, don’t you think.

            Japan has those problems as well, but again this is in areas where there is a lot of poverty and the Yakuza are only dangerous for the people who deliberately get involved with them. There are many countries who have low crime rates despite having strict gun laws, there’s no use in pointing these things out that are only true for a fraction of Japan, my point still stands. The lack of guns is not what provokes or reduces crime, it’s the people and the quality of their lives. How often do you hear of healthy educated men who go around killing people? It’s a concept that seems rather odd to me.

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          • I’m not saying that a healthy educated person would necessarily want to go on a killing spree. On second thought, how do you explain Ted Bundy? Educated, reasonably good looking, healthy (not mentally). Unless we can create a Utopian society where everyone is on board and level headed, I firmly believe that we’ll still have crime (and I don’t believe in Utopia).

            Do you think that no member of Yakuza has ever mugged an “innocent” person?

            Poverty is a factor in crime. I think that oppressive governments who legislate and tax their citizens to death are part of the problem. We are going through some very scary times where our government is trying to mandate extremely expensive programs, like health reform, in the name of “social responsibility”. The government also recently rewarded major banks for shady lending practices with billions of tax payer dollars. The government is literally going to bankrupt the country, increasing jobless rates and increasing crime. They are also trying to take away our rights to defend ourselves agains the very problem they are creating. (Please review the fall of Rome, and you’ll see exactly where the US is headed.)

            Sorry about the political tangent.

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          • I didn’t know who Ted Bundy is so I had to read up and his childhood sounds anything but normal. Nobody is immune to mental illnesses but what Ted Bundy did is just not a common thing. And I obviously meant people who are physically and mentally healthy.

            It doesn’t have to be a utopian society, I’m not saying it’s possible that there is no crime but all those people who waste so much time debating whether guns should be required or not never seem to show much interest in bettering the society they live in. They just want to have their weapons to defend themselves and that’s it. Or they just want to deny other people to have weapons and that’s it. I think this is very ignorant.

            As for the rest you said, I don’t agree. A health reform was very much needed, if it works for the majority of Europe why shouldn’t it work for the US. Besides the people wanted it. After 8 years of the Bush administration I think it was time to at least try a different approach. America is the most powerful country and I mean that in many ways. The economy might be messed up at the moment but this is a problem that has been building up over a longer period. This problem didn’t appear over night and it won’t disappear over night. You just can’t compare this to the fall of Rome, different times, different factors – different conclusions.

            You seem pretty pessimistic about a lot of things though. What’s your motivation, do you really believe everything is only going to get worse from now on and if so why don’t you do something about it?

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          • I don’t know if you’ll even notice this, it’s been a couple of days. I’ve been a bit busy.
            Merry Christmas!

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            The Swiss have one of the lowest crime rates anywhere, and they’re all armed. The only society where you can be reasonably assured your life and freedom is one in which you can readily defend yourself.

            The fact that there are people out there like Ted Bundy, /and/ the influences in his childhood, is a strong argument for personal protection. I can make the argument that many who commit crimes are mentally ill. You must not give these people a reason to take advantage of you by being unable to defend yourself.

            Also, you can find direct parallels to the corruption and the pandering in America’s senate to the Roman senate. These things directly attributed to the fall of the Roman Empire. I can provide proof of this if you’d like.

            I am pessimistic about the future of the US. The level of greed, personal irresponsibility, and corruption is extremely troublesome. I do try to do something about it by taking part in government by voting, communicating with my representatives, and supporting the people I believe in with my time and money.

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          • Merry Christmas to you too.

            About Switzerland, Switzerland hasn’t engaged in any wars like most of the rest of the world, it’s a democratic country with a very liberal government, same sex marriage is legal etc. etc.
            Do you understand what I am getting at? It’s the quality of life that makes the difference, not how many guns you are allowed to own.

            If you really want to get down to it why aren’t you a little more honest and also name countries like: Chad, Sudan, Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Sierra Leone, Liberia, El Salvador, Honduras, Colombia, Peru and so on. Guns are legal there too and oh my what perfect picture of public safety they are.

            I don’t think you really get my point yet though, so here it is once more. Do I agree that owning guns should be legal in whatever country because I support the rights of people to defend themselves? Yes. Do I think that guarantees their safety without considering any other major factors? NO. See examples above. This is why subjects like this ALWAYS go hand in hand with what kind of society are we talking about.

            If you think a gun is all you need so you and your family can be safe you are a fool.

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          • “A health reform was very much needed, if it works for the majority of Europe why shouldn’t it work for the US. Besides the people wanted it. After 8 years of the Bush administration I think it was time to at least try a different approach.”

            If I wanted to have Europe’s health care system, I’d move to Europe (or Canada, eh). It’s not Bush’s system anyway, it started long before he became President. I didn’t say it didn’t need fixing; it does need fixing, but the problem is tort and greed, not the lack of universal healthcare.

            Who cares if the Swiss are liberal? I don’t see why that is important to your point. Are you saying the more liberal a country is, the better it’s people will act? You are correct about guns alone not solving the problem. It would be foolish to think that it would. Education, community, and personal responsibility are the factors that are most likely to improve the quality of life. It doesn’t matter if you’re liberal, conservative, or somewhere in the middle. I understand that you’re not against guns, but you’re missing my point that guns are necessary to keep the government’s power in check and /help/ insure personal protection.

            So, the countries that you mentioned do not restrict their citizens from legally owning guns. What does that matter in an environment such as these? The people are controlled by oppressive regimes. You think that the “average Joe” has rights? What needs to happen is that the people do heavily arm themselves and take back their county.

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          • “Who cares if the Swiss are liberal?”

            Doesn’t it strike you as odd that Switzerland which is very liberal is doing well even if guns are legal where as those other countries that are anything but liberal are not doing well even if guns are legal there as well.

            “If I wanted to have Europe’s health care system, I’d move to Europe”

            Then why don’t you move to Switzerland if you like their gun laws.

            “but you’re missing my point that guns are necessary to keep the government’s power in check”

            Ah so now it’s to keep the government in check, before it was just for personal protection against psychos. How exactly do you think does that work, how do you keep your government in check by being heavily armed, when was the last time a man or group of men made a difference by owning guns because they wanted to keep the government in check. And most importantly, those countries I mentioned where guns are legal but it’s still not safe for them and as you said, they are controlled by oppressive regimes, why is it that THEY can’t keep their government in check even though they own guns?

            Yes I think that Switzerland being liberal makes a big difference, show me an example where a country with a conservative government does equally well while guns are legal.

            I’m sorry but your argument just doesn’t convince me. What you’re implying is that owning a gun allows you to threaten people you disagree with, no matter if they are mentally ill or your government. In my opinion that’s not how you solve problems, a threat for a threat leaves the whole world terrified.

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          • 日本語を話せますか? 私は勉強しています。

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          • Wonderful. I’m studying it also but I can’t write it just yet! I’m teaching myself actually and I thought I would start with the pronunciation and spelling with Latin letters and once I master it I’ll get to the Japanese characters. I find it pretty easy, Japanese grammar is nothing compared to English/ German grammar.

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          • Ich sprache auch ein bisschen Deutsch. Ist es Ihre erste Sprache?

            I am trying to learn Kanji, but there’s just so many, and the fact that they have multiple pronunciations doesn’t help (and I still can only speak a very limited amount).
            Are you using something like Rosetta Stone? What works for you?

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          • Wow, ok das ist sehr beeindruckend. Deutsch ist nicht meine Muttersprache. Romanian is actually my first language. I’m mixed so I grew up speaking several languages which is why I’m interested in languages like Japanese which I have no connection with.

            Indeed I use Pimsleur, it’s a pretty flawless system I can only recommend it. Though it’s recommended to only listen to the lessons, repeat things when you are told to and that’s it. I don’t do that, I take notes so I can convert everything I learned into Kanji more easily, like I mentioned before. The stuff they teach you is pretty conventional, that’s not enough for me, so I also go on English-Japanese forums on the Internet to get an idea of how a Japanese person would actually say certain things. It’s usually a little different from textbook Japanese for obvious reasons. Another thing that is amazingly fun is to watch Japanese films with subtitles. I know someone who learned Japanese only by watching Japanese films and listening to Japanese music.

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