richard dawkins on why he\’s against religion

richard dawkins on why he's against religion


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    TheLotusEater725
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    I guess atheism means existence is meaningless then.

    DexX
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    Is that even remotely related to the image you have commented on? The point Dawkins is making is a very good one: religion fills gaps in our knowledge with rubbish, while science urges us to recognise gaps and find the truth. Religion says “I don’t know… God did it!” Science says, “I don’t know, but I want to find out.” As for existence being meaningless; of course it is, at least in an objective sense. We are collections of cells, vast colonies working together to survive and propagate. In that sense, human existence is about avoiding death as long as… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
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    I have a really big reply laid out for you but it is 6 am and my sleeping pills are in full force. But before i postmy reply later i am going to say one thing. Though i largely disagree with and am somewhat irritated by you, thank you for at least trying to talk to me like a regular human. I promise you will not be dissapointed.

    fracked again
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    Dex, prepare for disappointment.

    TheLotusEater725
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    First things first, you are talking to a former atheist here. The only reason i believe in a god is because of an inexplicable experience i had. I’ll spare you the story since i do not expect you to believe and because no matter what you may never believe it. But the questions you ask are shockingly respectful as well as being some of my favorite things to ponder. Please don’t view this as an attempt to convert you. If it is one thing i admire about atheism it is the constant asking of questions. Yes it is related because… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
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    Well that is the whole point tiki. It is for YOU to decide if it means anything. If there is a god then chances are he can be understanding and forgiving for you not believing in him. That is what i believe. There are millions of people in the world who think i do not exist or do not know of me.

    nyoki
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    I think he was saying the opposite. Lotus believes in god because he choose to, and it’s very individual god. We all believe what seems reasonable to us. I don’t think it’s possible to have thoroughly thought through every possible thought and question; so we believe certain things. Belief is a shortcut. Understanding the difference between what we think and what we believe is what’s important. Acting on belief is a dangerous thing.

    uberubermensch
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    I personally think this post right here is the best logic I have ever read in a post on this subject.

    nyoki
    Member

    I wonder if god questions existence.

    TheLotusEater725
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    I would say he does.

    fracked again
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    Well, lotus, whatever helps you get through the night… “Or is it the result of some grand comsic energy ( or god as a religious person would call it) manipulating us from beyond our observable realms? I do not think there is ever certainty.” Wow. That is some serious woo there. Could you even begin to define energy? When you use a word with a scientific definition, you really need to be certain as to the meaning of the word. “If you actually understood religion beyond the whole “god did it” box you would realize that an educated religious person… Read more »

    nyoki
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    Are most scientists atheists? Anyone have a stat on that?

    Dan VK
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    Dan VK

    You may find www.cornellevolutionproject.org/ to be helpful, it was put together by Greg Graffin of Bad Religion fame.

    TheLotusEater725
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    Fracked could you please attempt to come up with something other than ad hominem and taking what i said out of context

    fracked again
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    Didn’t we already do this, lotus? Sheesh. You fail hard and often.

    TheLotusEater725
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    OH WOW FRACKED YOU ARE SO MUCH GODDAMN SMARTER THAN ME, THERE IS NO GOD, YOU ARE RIGHT!

    there are you happy? that is the response you want from me correct?

    nyoki
    Member

    Is there a point to all your…pointing?

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    Are you talking to me or Fracked?

    nyoki
    Member

    Oops, I meant to reply to Fracked’s post(s).

    nyoki
    Member

    Wait…I did, Stop fucking w/ me lotus, or I shall have to immolate you and your god.

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    Sorry must be my religion rubbing off on you and making you stupid.

    deleted_user
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    I don’t like religion because it causes people to think they are better than other people and there should be a better way to just have morals and values than having religion.

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    But doesn’t any school of thought inherently cause elitism? I mean some of what you say is true, it is very true but i think that isn’t so much religion as it is people using religion as an excuse to act the way they act. It would be like me saying i am morally superior to you because i listen to heavy metal music instead of rap. It’s not heavy metal that is making me smug and superior, it is the fact that you are of a different “persuasion” (for lack of a better term) than i am when it… Read more »

    MonkeyHitman
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    “I mean whenever i am with my fellow jews/christians and we start talking about atheism one of the first things i bring up is that their lack of faith has nothing to do with morals. If faith really made a person “moral” then we wouldn’t have priests raping children now would we?”

    Lol i like how that sounded

    fracked again
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    Exactly. Faith and morals are completely disconnected. I know this isn’t what you said, but when one little kid hits another, do you say, “Jesus wouldn’t like that,” or “How would you like it if someone hit you?”

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    I say both.

    lemon floor wax
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    lemon floor wax

    I…I actually agree with something CM said.

    Paul_Is_Drunk
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    That really cuts to the point, doesn’t it?

    “Where do we come from?” – “Religious answer.”
    “Why are we here?” – “Religious answer.”
    “Why are the dinosaurs gone?” – “Religious answer.”

    (The following only apply before the Renaissance… and are hilariously wrong…)

    “What is lightning?” – “Religious answer.”
    “What causes disease?” – “Religious answer”
    “Is the Earth flat?” – “Religious answer.”
    “Does the Earth revolve around the sun?” – “Religious answer.”

    DexX
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    Precisely! The people of Judah thought leprosy was caused by your father’s sins being punished by god, and that muscular tremors and seizures were caused by demonic possession.

    Scientific discovery occurs when someone refuses to accept “God did it” as an answer and sets out to discover the truth.

    If I went to a doctor with a case of leprosy, I’d be pretty dissatisfied if he said there was no treatment except praying to god for your father’s sins to be forgiven.

    fracked again
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    I wish those only applied after the Renaissance. There are still religious groups that push disease as punishment and geocentrism in the US.

    Queensly
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    As an atheist myself, one of the most frequent arguments I have is with other atheists over religion. The main part being when they mix up faith and religion, or assume they are the same thing. You can believe in something and never go to church/temple/Mosque/Ikea, and vice versa.

    I think that belief is one of the best things a person can have, as long as they believe for there own reasons, rather than because it’s what their parents believe.

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    Thank you yum yum. I have the same exact arguments with religious people as well. to me people should believe in god because they earnestly believe for their own reasons. Not because a church or scientist told them to.

    asymon
    Member

    Dear God, all this “I’m an atheist, so I’m much smarter than you” stuff again.

    Dawkins is big douche, deal with it. And yes, American creationist also are, but PLEASE, don’t judge all religious people on them.

    fracked again
    Member

    Too late! 😀 Also, have you read Dawkins past a handful of quotes? Also, how is what he said incorrect?

    nyoki
    Member

    Have never read Dawkins, but it’s my impression that most people, everywhere, have questioned whether or not God exists, then made their decision. Some people keep going from one religion to another, trying to find a good fit; others make their decision and stick w/ it. I’ve met no one who hasn’t questioned their religious (or lack of) upbringing. I like a good argument, but have no taste for denigrating what another feels very strongly about. To what end? Even if I were t win the argument (which never happens), what then? How many people do you (plural) know that… Read more »

    MonkeyHitman
    Member

    Richard Dawkins = God (jesus father)

    It would be cool if it were true..

    DexX
    Member

    What’s the problem with it? The problem is when some idiot parents let a child die of diabetes because they’d rather pray over him than take him to a godless doctor. The problem is when people deny others basic human rights because they think god hates queers / blacks / muslims / women / anyone they don’t like. The problem is when irrational faith is regarded with higher esteem than rationality, logic, and scientific process, leading to idiots demanding that children be taught that “God made it” is real science. The problem is when intelligence is seen as a vice… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    So what you are saying more or less is that you are an anti-theist. I mean so far all you have done is demonstrated bigotry. I’ve already explained to you that not all christians think like that. Why do you keep ignoring that? “The problem is when people deny others basic human rights because they think god hates queers / blacks / muslims / women / anyone they don’t like.” I take it you have never heard of eugenics. “The problem is when some idiot parents let a child die of diabetes because they’d rather pray over him than take… Read more »

    Phyreblade
    Member

    Your first point is well taken, however it seems to place your values above those of the people in question. I think the value of a persons life is up to their discretion, not ours. The medieval Japanese valued honor above life, and would commit suicide if dishonored. Some still do. I do not understand it, I think it is a waste of life, however I respect their values, and if they feel they cannot live on account of that, I do not feel that I have any right to judge them for it. People have denied others basic human… Read more »

    DexX
    Member

    One last quick note…

    Why is it that when a religious person evangelises and tells non-believers (or different-believers) that they are wrong, hell-bound, sinful, and so on, then they are just expressing their faith, and the strength of their convictions is seen as a virtuous thing…

    …but when an atheist publicly expresses logical reasons for not believing in magic invisible sky people, they are called smug, arrogant elitists?

    Hypocritical much?

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    Dude that is the dumbest thing you have said so far. Take a look at my initial statement, look at how many thumbs down it got. Again, try to come up with something other than a blanket assumption.

    boxzor
    Member

    I do dislike most religion, but it’s generally the religions extremists which cause the most hatred and violence, the average christian/muslim wouldn’t blow themselves up to make a religious statement.

    boxzor
    Member

    let people come to terms with their own god in their own way, force feeding religion even if you have good intentions just breeds hatred.

    Deleted_User
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