you cannot kill a dream or an ambition

you cannot kill a dream or an ambition


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    Macol
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    this.

    natedog
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    butthurt fundamentalist atheist is butthurt

    vincent.ex2
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    Funny, I’m currently watching a movie about how a guy’s trying to kill that universe’s version of Santa…

    chupathingy
    Member

    And which part of this is not true?

    Alec Dalek
    Member

    You can kill a fragrance. Just use lost of Ozium.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    As an atheist, I think this is fundamentally flawed. Just because there is no God, does not mean there is not an afterlife. And even if there is a God, that does not mean there is an afterlife. Those are two separate and distinct issues; convoluting the two shows some real philosophical shallowness.

    AndrewTheWookie
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    While i agree with you on that point, he’s not so much combing those two issues, as simply stating that he doesn’t believe in either one.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    He’s not simply stating anything. He’s saying that people create the illusion of God because they are afraid of death, which is a very narrow-minded Christian point of view.
    Plus, whoever made this image spelled his name wrong. It’s Michel Onfray.

    nyoki
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    Like the author, I think many (if not most) do equate the two distinct ideas as a causation.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    If you look at the world now, dominated by Christian and Muslim beliefs, you might be right. But he is explicitly saying that the ONLY reason there is belief that god exist is because we’re afraid of death. That’s stupid and it ignores thousands of years of religious development. Historically, the concept of gods pre-dates concrete views of an afterlife. Even early Judaism had very little concept of an afterlife. It was pretty easy for early people to explain phenomenon like thunder and rain in terms of some powerful sky man. Its a small step from there to develop some… Read more »

    nyoki
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    Agreed. For many (including Jews), they believe that God must be followed, regardless of the effect of doing so. They still don’t have a strong idea of an afterlife. They are there to follow his rules, nothing more. Of course it gets more complicated than that, always does, but it’s the most basic tenet of nearly every religion and is the origin of many. Some say religion is the pre-scientific attempt at explaining the natural world, but I think it’s more about power; power over other people.

    elzarcothepale
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    Harold Crick: What is wrong with you? Hey, I don’t want to eat nothing but pancakes, I want to live! I mean, who in their right mind, in a choice between pancakes and living, chooses pancakes?

    Dr. Jules Hilbert: Harold, if you pause to think, you’d realize that that answer is inextricably contingent upon the type of life being led… and, of course, the quality of the pancakes.

    This sums up all I’ve ever needed to know about the afterlife, and philosophy in general.

    Puulaahi
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    Who cares about the afterlife. Life is all about the present. All about the journey, not the destination.

    nyoki
    Member

    Epicurus would prolly agree.

    sylvanish
    Member

    The view at the top is not of worth?
    Why one over the other?

    Enjoy the journey and delight in the destination. But what is a journey without a destination?

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    You can kill and ambitious dreamer. @Puu Are you sure? Because most religions are about the afterlife being dictated by the path(s) taken in your current incarnation. What if you’re wrong? Then you spent .5% of your existence drinking and getting paid and the rest you fucked up. That’d suck. That’s the pain in the ass. Every ethereal being lacks hubris as a rule because when you start asking questions and there are no answers you start questioning the consequences you’ve been lead to believe would result from your actions. So instead asking questions to a divine being is itself… Read more »

    chupathingy
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    Rocks do not stop existing. They may be broken down or changed, but their components will always exist.

    If Puu is wrong he spent some of his existence having fun, while if kokayne is wrong he spent all of that existence hoping for a better one.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    Rocks DO stop existing. Do you thikn the same particles that made up rocks during the prehistoric periods are still around today? Nope.

    I’m not siding either way. I’m just pointing out the flaw in Puu’s logic. It’s more complicated than can be decided upon in any one lifetime let alone in the internet. Your mind gets made up after you’re done.

    nyoki
    Member

    Or not, depending on whether one is still capable of making ones mind up after your ‘done’.

    Dreth
    Member

    Am I the only one to see the whole concept of souls, spirits, afterlife and all that shit as absurd?

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
    Member

    Its just as absurd to assume its wrong as it is that its right. There is no way of proving either one.

    Dreth
    Member

    Nah, that would be stupid. I can come up with some idiotic idea without base or reason, like let’s say our farts are a way of communicating with space beings.

    Would the fact that no one can prove it wrong or right (since there is nothing to investigate at all) make it plausible to even consider it?

    nyoki
    Member

    It is absurd to think think it’s right. It’s a monumental waste of limited time and brain-resources. Pascal was making a point w/ his wager and most people get the intent wrong. Life is complicated enough w/out trying to figure out if any religion might have ‘got it right’. It also keeps most people from using their brains in a constructive way. How many more people would question the ‘how’ of things if they don’t already think they know the ‘why’?

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
    Member

    yes

    until its proven wrong it just is.

    it can be proven that farts do not communicate with space beings.

    inability to prove something and logic flaws may seem stupid when crunched into a few sentences but they’re still true.

    Dreth
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    The mere existence of space beings can’t be proven 100% let alone the fact nothing we do/produce gets through to them. No, it cannot be proven, it does not make it plausible, it is a ridiculous idea and it is discarded by people with working brains. Grasping on to your existence that you need reassurance from thousands of people around you to tell you keep living after death so this current life seems less depressing and no matter what, there’s a second chance waiting for you seems a bit too fuckin’ convenient for humans. Sure I can’t prove it, but… Read more »

    sylvanish
    Member

    I find it curious to hear people who denounce the belief of an afterlife as a fear coping mechanism or an anti-depressant. I think that speaks volumes more about the person saying it, than the people they are speaking about.

    What about all those who hope for an afterlife or reincarnation, so that this awesome kick-ass adventure party won’t have to stop?

    Dreth
    Member

    That’s a nice way to put it, and I sorta agree with you.

    But if I take it as a positive thing, then I’ll have to say “you’re enjoying it too much, and can’t bear the thought of letting go” which basically is the same thing as the anti-depressant theory. Not wanting to accept it’ll end at some point.

    blackdog33
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    blackdog33

    “God is an idol, man’s own image. Human reverence for God is the fatuous awe of the ape with a mirror.”
    Philip Wylie



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