All your delaying does is prove that you indeed have no point to make and are the real troll on here.

Thanks for piping up, idiot.

Yes, nuclear has a lot of “waste” to deal with but or Nuclear friends in France have been dealing with that issue for over 3 decades with recycling plants. Our friends to the North (canadia) have been building what they call heavy water plants or fast fission reactors which can make use of the Pu 239 and U 238 isotopes that are either produced or already in the fuel meat of conventional nuclear power plants. The recycled fuel can be reused. What we considered “spent fuel” really isn’t. It’s just so far down the cahin that we can not create enough reactivity in the core to sustain a critical reactor. But there is plenty of U 235 left that can be recycled, processed and used in new fuel. The byproducts and natural U 235 can be used in heavy water reactors. I forget the waste reduction in this process but it is quite significant. A recycling system with several new nuclear plants can help bridge the gap because I really truely belive that scientists are close to a sustained fussion reaction. By close I mean within the next 100 years.

The grid is a pretty much a disaster as it stands. A lot of waste is involved in just transmission. Power plants get paid for the energy that hits the grid not that is transmitted. Although High voltage power lines cut this down significantly a lot of power is wasted on the user end through worn, faulty, and/or outdated equipment.

I read a lot into the idea of “clean coal” and carbon capture. There are a lot of awesome ideas for algea farms related to coal plants emmissions. The algea can be turned into bio diesel and other products used in medical and other bio based sciences. Clean coal just means that you won’t die if you live near one. It still pumps out tons of CO2 per hour. I forget which university is working on the algea idea but if they get some incentives and help with funding it could be a realistic solution for the short-term.

The fuels we are using expensive?? That depends what kind of fuel you are talking about. For example Gas turbine plants cost roughly $60 per MW/h Coal is closer to $14-30 MW/h and nuclear is around $22-28 MW/h Gas is freggin expensive but coal and nuclear are far from it. Coal jsut has sulfer dioxides, NOx, CO, and CO2 to worry about.

I don’t mind discussing things with people who can have a discussion about this but I am not jumping on the band wagon that DieA has a clue. Because she doesn’t. Very good at twisting words and coming up with alternate meanings. Way to go DieA, I do hope you become a lawyer soon! I’m not being sarcastic.

Or were you referring to you and your fellow asshat as the purveyors of said dickcheese mr ‘magnus calls us names so he’s an immature shitface’ who doesn’t even see the idiocy of that stance even separate from the idiocy of his attempt at any other stance here?

How am I wrong here? How is this climate ANYTHING other than the exact opposite of the red scare?

No answer?

No surprise.

Oh yeah, we are in control now!

The only people that seem to be calling Obama a messiah of any kind are the republicans, acting as if he can’t fix everything in his first six months that he is a failure. Oprah might have called him “the one” but shes dumb as a box of rocks. That makes it republicans and Oprah… Hmmmm.

What a load of anti intellectual dickcheese.

a) you can’t in your own words give your understanding of communism because you have none.

b) you’re another pussy ass loser who thinks because someone who is smarter than him doesn’t agree with him then he must agree with the people you the intellectually stunted horses ass have been brainwashed into scapegoating for all the problems that probably don’t even affect you.

c) if you were any further from funny you’d be out in one of the many countries other than American you’ve never set foot in.

d) I’m Canadian you stupid fuck.

e) you’re a fucking idiot.

So fuckoff. For you to get as educated as me (since you’d like to start priding yourself on such things) you’d need to go back to school for about another 6 years.

Want to compare bank books as well?

No matter what you type your life still sucks and I kick ass. Suck it.

I don’t want to come off as respectful and if you can’t take what I have to say use your two little eyes and your hand eye coordination skills and click over and read something else.

No I wasn’t so pissed off when bush was president. He has a Democratic run house and senate towrds the end making him unable to change and fuck up even more shit. This asshole has free reign for another fucking year and a half. And you are right, we can’t change anything. The more these assholes do the more rights that get taken away, almost to the point if you disagree with the government you are considered a domestic terrorist. I guess I am a domestic terrorist then.

Never mind. You clearly don’t want to discuss anything. You needed to go on a juvenile rant about how unfair life is for you because people won’t do what you say they should.

Fuck it. Time to nail Obama to a cross and place pitchers of water around his feet. The coming of the age of aquarius is near. Not only does half the united states think this guy is the countries saviour, some people seem to catapault him to jesus christo status.

Who? Who thinks that?

In general I think nuclear power is a good way to go. I live in WV and everyone here is pro-coal. We’ve got 3 distinct problems w/ our fuel use.
1) The fuels we’re currently using are expensive and 2) We depend on other countries for a lot of it and 3) it’s the opposite of “green.
I know it would be a cost intensive process to set up enough of our own nuclear power plants to make a significant difference, but I think it would be worth it. That suffices for points 1 and 2. Green? Once it’s built and running, is there any nuclear by-product that needs to be dealt w/? Coal could be made to be cleaner, but I don’t know if it can be clean enough soon enough. Cost wise, the infrastructure is already there and we have enough coal to last centuries. All the other green ways to produce fuel come nowhere close to providing enough to power the grid, though in certain areas different ones could be used to help.
Then, none of this even deals w/ the fact that our current grid is falling apart and is barely adequate for current fuel needs.

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Oh right, you’re such a patriot. Bush was so much better than Obama. he just happened to cause the deaths of how many people? And the American people had a hard time when Bush was president, nothing has changed. But I’ll just go ahead and behave as childish as you and call you a right wing fucktard.

“You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn’t it? I mean, that is fantastic that you’re doing that.”
— Bush to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005

No I wasn’t so pissed off when bush was president. He has a Democratic run house and senate towrds the end making him unable to change and fuck up even more shit. This asshole has free reign for another fucking year and a half. And you are right, we can’t change anything. The more these assholes do the more rights that get taken away, almost to the point if you disagree with the government you are considered a domestic terrorist. I guess I am a domestic terrorist then.

I guess you didnt read that part.

“with recent developments in solar, wind, bacteria-as-fuel power-and including hydroelectric and geothermal where applicable-it IS possible to run a grid ”

I worked for yet another power company, Calpine, who uses the gysers in California as their poster boy for “clean, green energy” in the form of geothermal. With it being the largest geothermal plant in north america it can barely put a GW on the grid. You claim these new developments can power the grid? Where are you getting your info?? Do you even understand the modern electrical grid? It’s not the garage born science project of turning a hand crank to illuminate a light bulb here. The current US grid needs large baseload plants with what they call peakers to power the grid. That means the large (there is no such thing as clean coal) coal steam electric generating plants and nuclear are the only current way to bridge the gap. And your boy Obama spent trillions on bailing out (or buying out) companies and that money could have been used to improve and start the transition towards a smarter grid. You completely mis-understood what I meant by me working in this industry. I pretty much read about it every day I am at work and what the company is doing about it. I know that they are going to make millions of dollars off of this cap and trade bullshit at the expense of the public is what I am saying.

And what are you talking about. Yeah there are people who think Obama is some kind of Jesus but all you need to do is take a look at the comments on any Obama picture on this site and you will see that this is clearly not the case with most people who are worth taking seriously.

Also, what people mean by there were two evils to choose from, is that that’s all they got in the end because none of the other candidates had a fair chance. There were only the celebrity politicians left and there was no real choice so get over yourself already.

You don’t come off as fair, respectful or anything, you’re being defensive and you insult people before they even had a chance to say anything to you.
So tell us something we don’t know. What are you going to do, Obama is president and you can’t do anything about that. And I have a feeling you weren’t so pissed off when Bush was still president.

“being an employee of one of the countries largest nuclear power generation utility I know what this shit will do.”

Sounds like a little home team bias. And yes, with recent developments in solar, wind, bacteria-as-fuel power-and including hydroelectric and geothermal where applicable-it IS possible to run a grid off of “green” energy. All that’s needed is the cash to fund the infrastructure.

And that is different than when your Lord and Savior George W. Bush was President… how? Let me bring this down to your level so you’ll understand, since normal conversation is apparently “too edumacated” for you:

If your tongue was any further in the ass of Gee-Dub when he was President, you could have tasted the pretzel he was choking on.

Most bring up the point that there was two evils to choose from which is half true. Mccain is not a wise choice but neither is your superman. I don’t know about you but there was someone else on my ticket, but most forgot about him in favor of the second coming.