Loved the conversation in the last one.
Here we go again!
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April 20, 2009 at 7:03 pm
AND LET THE FLAMING….COMMENCE!
April 20, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Nothing to see here.
Move all, there is nothing here.
April 20, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Tried to sign up for the mailing llist, just for the hell of, but my mail got bounced. Seems is spam filter is a little overzealous.
April 20, 2009 at 7:13 pm
[waiting for storm]
April 20, 2009 at 7:27 pm
@Lamb: @numb7rs:
You two are under arrest for stupidity.
April 20, 2009 at 7:42 pm
I refuse to apologize for being more free than the rest of the world
April 20, 2009 at 7:43 pm
@numb7rs: Are you talking about at the actual website?
I know one of the “Year Zero Alternate Reality Game” sites is iamtryingtobelieve.com. Its interesting, and I was trying to find like a hint to get to another site (most of these sites dont hint at further ones, you have to find them via NIN shirts or things hidden in the year zero album) but I emailed the message and I thought the response was quaint.
April 20, 2009 at 7:44 pm
@hatchmr: you miss the point. We arnt, and the freedom keeps eroding away.
April 20, 2009 at 8:02 pm
@numb7rs: I don’t see the connection between what I said and what numb7rs did… What I said was agreeing with what Sticky said.
And if stupidity were a crime, I would have been arrested a long time ago.
April 20, 2009 at 8:03 pm
@nobody knows: I don’t see the connection between what I said and what numb7rs did… What I said was agreeing with what Sticky said.
And if stupidity were a crime, I would have been arrested a long time ago.
told you
April 20, 2009 at 8:04 pm
I’ll use my voice, alright.
Fuck you.
April 20, 2009 at 8:07 pm
I’m sorry but can someone please explain that website for me? I liked what i saw until i watched the video on there featuring an actor giving a stupid talk, a NIN concert that got broken up by more actors playing the part of supposed fbi agents. then i see talk about some sort of video game and proposed tv show on hbo? is this all just fake and supposed to get ppl excited for a stupid video game or tv show? i dont understand.
April 20, 2009 at 8:11 pm
And the U.S. is one of the safest mother fucking places in the world. Not to mention all the spending on defense that we give to other nations.
I fucking. Hate. NIN.
April 20, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Or, alternatively;
I’ll use my voice alright.
Hurray for capitalism! I embrace the security the state affords me, and wholly support their campaign of surveillance!
April 20, 2009 at 8:15 pm
@njch412: Are you fucking serious? The U.S. has spent the last 50 years or so making enemies of every volatile country with any destructive power.
April 20, 2009 at 8:16 pm
There is no safe place. Freedom does not equal safety.
April 20, 2009 at 8:19 pm
@Annarchy: Ireland’s pretty safe. We don’t have any enemies and we’re too small for anyone to bother attacking us. Might as well wage war on Malta.
And we’re pretty free.
April 20, 2009 at 8:40 pm
A: Our company can offer you the best price for the job and reliable service.
B: How can I be sure of that?
A: Well, C across town will vouch for our reliability.
B: And why should I trust C?
A: Well, I can assure you that C is reliable and can be trusted.
April 20, 2009 at 8:47 pm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_indices_of_freedom
Only 14 countries are completly free
April 20, 2009 at 8:49 pm
@dieAntagonista:
…And you using the “ABC” metaphor made me think of the Pythagorean theorem for some reason.
April 20, 2009 at 8:54 pm
@Hoolison: Woo! Go Zimbabwe!
April 20, 2009 at 9:01 pm
@Sticky:
Pythagoras is one of my top three favourite mathematicians. He has a magnificent name though, it starts with P, so that has probably a lot to do with it. And the ABC metaphor always makes me think of the theorem as well.
April 20, 2009 at 9:05 pm
@dieAntagonista:
I fucking love the Pythagorean theorem. Probably because it’s easy. I also like quadratic equations.
April 20, 2009 at 9:06 pm
@dieAntagonista:
Also, you should totally get online since I can stay up to 2 or 3 am tonight.
April 20, 2009 at 9:11 pm
@Annarchy: I think they may be mutually exclusive.
April 20, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Gay as ever.
April 20, 2009 at 10:16 pm
“Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” –Benjamin Franklin
April 20, 2009 at 10:31 pm
@nyokki: In terms of absolute, yes. It’s impossible to be totally free and totally safe at the same time. So we trade a little of one for a little of the other. I’m willing to give up the freedom to go around stabbing people in the face free of consequences in return for the safety of not being stabbed in the face myself. I’m not 100% safe, sure, but I didn’t 100% relinquish my face-stabby freedom, so it balances out.
@Marrock: It’s essential liberty for temporary safety. lern2quote imo. And don’t tell me it’s not an important distinction. If I’m going downtown and the police tell me I can’t because terrorists are running around shooting people, I’m willing to temporarily relinquish my freedom to go where I want. That’s perfectly reasonable. Franklin was talking about if we were told that due to the downtown incident, all citizens were required to obtain government authorisation for their trip any time they wanted to leave their house. Because fuck that shit.
April 20, 2009 at 10:36 pm
@Marrock:
Don’t forget the “and will lose both.”
April 20, 2009 at 10:50 pm
When your country is the most powerful military and political force in the world you make A LOT of enemies and enemies who pretend they are your friends.
April 20, 2009 at 10:52 pm
The guns and the bombs, the rockets and the warships, are all symbols of human failure.”
- Lyndon B. Johnson
April 20, 2009 at 10:56 pm
@AgZed: I admire how articulately you can construct your arguments, but I feel as if you are simultaneously arguing for and against your point.
Ill start with your hypothetical towards marrock. Now given, if he misquoted that is a grave mistake, but you contradicted yourself in your grand concept. You say that his quote is ill placed because he forgot “essential” and “temporary”. I dont see how those words change what he was expressing. You go on to describe a hypothetical… terrorist… situation.
This topic really draws contemporary commentary. Currently, there is a HUGE push for interstate visas. An ex coworker of mine is originally from India. If she travels to Yuma for a conference, she has to have her passport on her to prove she belongs here. To add to that, legislation is gaining steam that would create interstate visas for people like her. From there, I’m going to go on the limb that interstate visas for American citizens would be one act of “terra” away.
You pose your misquotes as things that deflower his quote, but you describe a danger we were in 6 months ago. I will be the first to say THANK GOT A DEMOCRAT IS IN! THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER! but an important thing is that for things to get better, we still have to talk about them. With the chance of ideology in the executive branch, past dangers dont just wither and fade away. We need to address them and do something about them. A good way to make sure that happens is by showing our representatives that we are concerned about it. MCS? probobly not the best place, but its the widest form of media I can post my 2 cents in.
As far as what you said to nyokki, I will go one forward to say… duh. Thats what she was saying, im sure she appreciates your clarification.
As a very good history instructor said to my class once “which is more important to you, freedom or liberty. In absolutes, you cant have both”
Personally, I think the freedom to safety ratio is fucked right now.
@Sticky: Amen, thank you!
@ehrgeiz: You are? Well that is your right, I donate to the Human Rights Campaign every month.
@dieAntagonista: Twas never a big fan. But then again, I got my edumucation in Arizona. We spent 2 months sophomore year on trig. Algebra was all they really thought we needed.
April 20, 2009 at 10:58 pm
@thelotuseater725: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
@Puulaahi: I like the comment train, I have never heard most of these.
April 20, 2009 at 11:05 pm
@Puulaahi:
The bigger dick foreign policy works like this: “What? They have bigger dicks? BOMB THEM.” And of course the bombs and the rockets and the bullets are all shaped like dicks.
–George Carlin
April 20, 2009 at 11:19 pm
@LukeV1-5: This might be true now, but very recently Ireland was not exactly what I would call safe from its own citizens. And if you’re not free to walk down the street safely, what’s the point?
@nyokki: I believe they are. You can be free, but you sacrifice safety. And, of course, to be safe, you must sacrifice freedom. That’s how government works. (watching the Freedom Day episode of Futurama right now, by the way) Which is why I don’t like or condone a group getting together and deciding what safety and freedom mean for me.
April 21, 2009 at 3:05 am
@Sticky: bomb the brown people
April 21, 2009 at 6:34 am
@Annarchy: What are you talking about? The Northern Troubles?
That’s the UK.
April 21, 2009 at 6:35 am
And even then, I think your knowledge of the period is skewed.
April 21, 2009 at 6:49 am
I like the Open Source Resistance website. One phrase always comes to mind: Pick up that can.
April 21, 2009 at 12:52 pm
@LukeV1-5: You’re right, my knowledge is a bit skewed, because I didn’t want to visit while the crap was actively hitting the fan. But, now that all that is done (hoorah!), how free are you if you can’t light a cigarette in a pub? Not to say that things are much better where I am, because I’ve heard of people getting arrested for smoking at bus stops in Arizona.
April 21, 2009 at 2:40 pm
@Annarchy: You’re not allowed smoke in places of work, because of the dangers of second hand smoke.
That’s not exactly an impingement on your freedom. If you’re smoking in a pub, you’re pretty much forcing everyone else to breathe the fumes.
April 21, 2009 at 4:37 pm
@LukeV1-5: The you divide the establishment. Whats next, if youre poor you cant have a kid because then youre forcing people to pay for their education?
If I have to pay taxes for other peoples rights, people should have to put up with my rights. The difference is I can live all alone working from home and never looking at another person, and im still paying into welfare and education.
If you dont like my smoking, all you have to do is walk 10 ft away. If youre REALLY paranoid about it, then stay the fuck home and do your drinking, invite some buddies over.
April 21, 2009 at 4:38 pm
@LukeV1-5: also, in america this holds particular weight because our nation initially flourished because of the income of tobacco.
Its so horrible, but it BUILT OUR NATION. I know, the solution right now is to kill the industry, right?
April 21, 2009 at 5:43 pm
I had a student that went to Trinity College at Univ. of Dublin and he said that more than a few pubs had built 3 walls and a ceiling structures for patrons to smoke (apparently if it didn’t have 4 walls, it wasn’t a building). The eve had heaters along the walls. He said that everyone hung out there and almost no one stayed in pub proper.
April 21, 2009 at 5:44 pm
@nyokki: These ‘structures’ were usually attached to the pub itself.
April 21, 2009 at 6:14 pm
@nyokki: I like that. When I was working for the state, the thing I hated the worst was how they treated smokers. We had a raised area that was all concrete and hard plastic benches. In arizona, that is fine in the dead of winter, but if you are outside that month and a half, it is INSUFFERABLY hot and you cant use the seating or you would get 1st to 2nd degree burns.
I dont have a problem with giving me another acceptable area, I see your point. I do have a problem with being tortured (I would go that far considering Arizona is in the desert). Some shade, a good ol fashion smoking lounge, one measly room. There ya go.
By the way, all of that was the proverbial you, not addressed to nyokki.
April 21, 2009 at 9:22 pm
@LukeV1-5: While I completely agree that we smokers do not have any rights, and should not have any rights (I am not interested in poisoning anyone but myself, honestly, with my icky habit), I would like to say that I feel as if the laws that are being passed are meant to protect the very small minority. For example: if you don’t know what goes on in a pub (adult activities like smoking, drinking, fighting, kissing, singing bad songs, etc.), you must be a moron. Yet, legislation is being written and passed to protect exactly those people. How many people do you think need to be watched 24/7 by cameras? A very small minority, I think. Yet, we are all under surveillance because of that small number of people who are stupid enough to think that they can get away with breaking the law.
This is deeply rooted in the fact that I am forced to view a sign that appears in every stall in every bathroom on all four floors of the building reminding us to not flush paper towels because one man who no longer works there once flushed paper towels and caused the toilet to back up and overflow. Everyone is being punished because he’s a moron. How does that make sense?