What do they hate us for?

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Oh yeah…our freedom

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    Sticky
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    Outlandish enough to be funny enough to laugh at, and (up til a few months ago) true enough to be depressed about. Let’s hope Obama-rama can revert the police state Bush almost made this country into.

    Sticky
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    @Sticky:
    OH SNAP, I SUPPORT OBAMA. I’M A TOTAL SHEEP AND CAN EXPECT FLAMES FROM LEGIONS OF PEOPLE ANY SECOND NAO!

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    Ya let’s hope Obama can impose enough socialist policy to combat a police state.

    deeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    Puulaahi
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    Gotta love the brainwashed Republican. Blondie thanks for the banine stereotypical statement.

    dieAntagonista
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    @Blondie: Dude what. Socialist policy? You sure as hell wouldn’t like Europe in that case. We’re one big dirty pile of socialists you know.

    But not having to pay off college debt years after you finished studying, not having to pay outrageous sums of money every time you go to the doctor etc. kinda sucks, you’re right.

    Did I mention that my president is an agnostic and that he legalised gay marriage in the entire country.

    I can appreciate the republican way too, but a little “socialism” will do lovely America good.

    wookie_x
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    “Ya let’s hope Obama can impose enough socialist policy to combat a police state.

    WTF? Right! ‘Cause the last Republican didn’t do ANYTHING to encourage a police state (except maybe rape the bill of rights).

    What was it that President Bush said when people kept bringing up the Constitution when he was pushing for the Patriot Act? Oh yeah! “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    @dieAntagonista: Americans educational system won’t be fixed by imposing more government control over people’s lives. I’m in Canada and all I see of socialism in our socialist democracy is a bundle of heavily abused social programs and an invasive government that is pushing everyone with an advanced degree into the USA. My paperwork is already filed to move there. We also have legalized gay marriage and I could give a shit because I’m not gay but at least 100’s of millions of dollars of everyones (gay or not) tax money was spent to get us to this glorious day. Americans… Read more »

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    @wookie_x:

    One is not by default a preference just because there is fault in the other.

    I think people would be wise to understand that left does not fix right and knowing that left sucks does not carry with it an implicit preference for the right.

    They both suck.

    But the sucking right now is ignored because people are still just as blind as they’ve ever been.

    wookie_x
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    @Blondie: Way to backpedal away from the “police state” comments! Well done!

    Staplegun
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    @wookie_x: I feel I must point out that Blondie wasn’t the first person to mention a police state in this thread…that was Sticky.

    Puulaahi
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    @Blondie: Well excuuuuuuuuse me. Okay then, “I’m better then you cus I am a Conservative Canadian attitude.” You are as jaded as an East Coast hockey fan. I never insulted you. I simply called your statement “generic”, as generic as a party line during an election. You call me a hippy and then tell me I’d kill you cus I know better then you. Nice logic you got going there. You have such a bullshit attitude. Rednecks in Kentucky would love you. Move there. And you are clueless about our healthcare system. You get fucked with insurance and you get… Read more »

    kendobunny
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    15:26 PDT SAN FRANCISCO — The Obama administration is again invoking government secrecy in defending the Bush administration’s wiretapping program, this time against a lawsuit by AT&T customers who claim federal agents illegally intercepted their phone calls and gained access to their records.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    @Puulaahi: You called me a brainwashed republican. Now you’re saying you simply called a statement generic? Do you not know how to use a scroll bar? It’s like an inch and a half up there. @wookie_x: I’m not back peddling from anything. And listen to Staplegun. I didn’t bring it up I just pointed out that you’re not out of the woods. You’re going further into them. I’m pointing out that both your options suck. Notice how people are crying out at me simply because I don’t think the current political party in charge is the greatest thing since shaved… Read more »

    dieAntagonista
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    @Blondie: I wasn’t talking about the cartoon. But rather about your false interpretation of socialism. I have said this before on here, so I’m just going to make copypasta because my condescending rants own. If Obama is a socialist, then so is McCain. If your definition of socialist is broad enough to include one, it has to be broad enough to include the other. Not only that, but you yourself currently reside in a socialist nation. You’ve got public fire, public police, public postal system etc. What is socialism? Socialism is when all of the productions and industry of a… Read more »

    wookie_x
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    @Blondie: I never claimed not to be pompous. I’m also arrogant and self centered. I’m not erratic, though. I’d appreciate if you would be more specific with your observations. I’m also a great cook and a fantastic conversationalist when the spirit moves me.

    Puulaahi
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    @Blondie: I called you BOTH genius. Canadians apparently need the obvious explained to them.

    People are not crying at you. We have a difference of opinion. It’s called having a discussion or debating. For someone attempting to sound so knowledgeable, you are blind to anything right in front of you.

    Puulaahi
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    @Blondie: And compared to the last guy. Personally, I think Obama is going to be a much better president. He sets up a timetable for Iraq, closes Guantanamo and now he is attempting to bring a close to all nuclear warfare. Much better at diplomacy as well. Reaching a hand across, instead of turning his back if other countries don’t agree with his cabinets way, unlike the last pres. Plus he has been working his ass off on all fronts. He also believes in community service. I like the man. Sure, he has some of the same major problems as… Read more »

    Paul_Is_Drunk
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    Well, typical political shitstorm.

    Isn’t Blondie mAgnUS BUTTfersoon with a sex change? He’s got the same stupid link in his name making fun of Caio, who hasn’t been on this board in forever. Usually I ignore the troll, so I have no idea if the UID# is the same.

    Sticky
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    @Puulaahi:
    I’m not going to lie, I think the dominant two-party system of politics in America is bullshit. It’s too black and white. Why is it so hard to find moderates who are smack dab in the middle? Oh, right, we only see things in red or blue. Not in shades of purple.

    Puulaahi
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    @Sticky: I am with you there. I am not even registered to a party. Not even as an Independent. I like to see things from every perspective possible. Even those I disagree with.

    There is so much bullshit thrown at people from every direction that the world is most definitely a shade of gray or purple.

    wookie_x
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    @Sticky: It’s easy to find the moderates in the USA. Just look at all the candidates in an election. None of them want to look extreme (and thus lose voters) so they all stick to what will appeal to the most voters. They’re trying to capture the largest portion of the bell curve. I’d love to see an election where the candidates will step up and say what they REALLY believe. Unfortunately that possibility is becoming more and more remote. Why were there only two candidates in the presidential debates this last time around? Don’t any of the other candidates… Read more »

    Puulaahi
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    @wookie_x: That’s the other problem. Too much money involved and politics involved in the running up to presidency. As lame as reality TV. Although do all of them DESERVE the national stage? Certainly not.

    Even though they all try to capture large parts of the populations. some of their extreme beliefs are quite obvious if you really pay attention.

    Sticky
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    @wookie_x: I wonder if they had a phone bank with AYTE SIX SEVEN FIVE THREE OH NIIIYEEEINE. But I digress, finding a political candidate that’s right for me seems impossible. I enjoy both sides of the political spectrum, although I admittedly lean more to the liberal side. I support pro-choice, I want rights for gays (a necessary subset of “everyone”), I want gun rights (as opposed to gun control), I want a little (but not too much) economic regulation and a few restraints added here and there. The Bush administration was the closest to fascism this country has ever got.… Read more »

    Puulaahi
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    @nyokki: Speaks the truth if your nationality is the enemy at the moment and you are living in America. Of if the FBI, CIA or other not listed Government group takes interest in you and your personal life.

    GorillaMunch
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    It’s a 1 party system, you’re far from free, only what you’ve been bred to believe

    Brushaway
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    You have to have been dropped on the head alot as a baby and then also recently, to believe that “the terrorists hate your freedom”. nobody hates freedom. nobody hates “the american way of life” in the way that line, also, is interpreted by the average guy.

    they hate that your government, and powers from your country, has interfered with their countrys freedoms, usually in every thinkable way.

    HoChunk
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    Don’t have time to plow through the commentary before I catch the train, but in case it hasn’t been said already: Toles is the shit.

    RSIxidor
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    @Brushaway:
    I thought this was satire based on the words of the previous administration. Yeah, no, that’s what it is. Not actually an attack on what terrorists believe, but on the ideals of the previous administration.

    suicydking
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    @Puulaahi: Ahem. Not only am I an East Coast hockey fan, but I live in Buffalo. That hurt, dude.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    Continuing with the same stupid behavior and proving that without a doubt not a single person in here knows what socialism actually is (which is pretty sad DieA cause you just boasted about how great Austria is and being from there and all). You’re all whining and bitching why? Cause someone pointed out..observed…that your pariah Obama is FULL OF SHIT and just was bad for your country and the last guy most of you loved at the start of her 2 terms. Quit being so fucking pathetic. “What’s that even supposed to mean. You mean you have to be gay… Read more »

    MonkeyHitman
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    cannot make it shorter??? a summary? kthxbai

    Puulaahi
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    @suicydking: Just sick of the East Coast Canadian bias on VS. Sorry dude. Go Sharks! Go Sabres!

    Blondie needs to learn how to have a discussion/debate. This is unbearable. Some Canadians are as backwards as rednecks in America, goddamn.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    @Puulaahi:

    Ya right.

    The usual gloriously closed mind of Americas left strikes again. Open your eyes for the first time and realize you’re the real sheep and worse than any redneck you’ll ever come across.

    You are in fact the backwards one. Try accepting that and you’ll be WAY better off.

    Puulaahi
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    @Blondie: You are so self righteous and full of blanket statements, this is hilarious. A teenager argues better than you do. You bore me.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    You haven’t made a single point.

    A teenager argues better? Are you more used to arguing with teenagers? Because this seems to all be WAY over your wee little head.

    Explain how pointing out your idiocy makes me self righteous? But go google the term first now huh kiddo?

    Puulaahi
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    @Blondie: Now you are just being a troll. But you knew that.

    wookie_x
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    @Blondi: Merriam-Websters dictionary defines socialism as “any of various social systems based on shared or government ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.” Wordnetweb.princeton.edu defines socialism as “a political theory advocating state ownership of industry.” Also, socialist economy as “an economic system based on state ownership of capital”. DieAntagonista defined socialism “when all of the productions and industry of a country are owned by the people.” This easily falls within the Merriam Webster definition. You claim that “not a single person in here knows what socialism actually is”. You have yet to even attempt to… Read more »

    suicydking
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    First of all, @Puulaahi: No sweat, dude. It’s just been a rough year for us Sabres fans, that’s all. Now, on to the discussion. I’m still waiting for someone throwing the whole ‘socialism’ thing around since Obama was elected to actually use that term in a way that has a single goddamn thing to do with it’s actual definition. I’ve been arguing with one friend in particular who feels that govt. subsidized health care is socialism. Ironically, he sites Alex Jones & co., who feel that China is the model we need to look at for how to handle the… Read more »

    wookie_x
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    @Blondie: Oh, and one other thing. “…that your pariah Obama is FULL OF SHIT…”

    You might want to look up the definition of the word pariah. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    @wookie_x: Oops. good catch. I meant messiah of course. Thanks. Per the other stuff: Canada is a recognized socialist democracy. I’m quite sure I know what socialism is having spent most of my life here. So yes you can google the term and try to push the definition around so it doesn’t fit the new American agenda but its plain to see that the Obama answer is to use your fears to justify infusing more state control over the people. Socialism is never applied 100% pure. Elements of it are. Those elements are more of a sanctioned police state than… Read more »

    wookie_x
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    @Blondie …the Obama answer is to use your fears to justify infusing more state control over the people.

    “Those elements are more of a sanctioned police state than anything George Bush ever did.”

    Please forgive me. I’m just another stupid American redneck. Could you give some SPECIFIC examples, instead of just sweeping generalizations? Thanks.

    Puulaahi
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    @wookie_x: Blondie only know how to speak in sweeping generalizations, because Blondie knows all and everyone(especially Americans) are fucking stupid and Canadians know everything. Blondie is even going to move to America to show Americans how fucking stupid they are.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    @Puulaahi: I can answer for myself, thanks. But how expected and typical of you. lol Nobody asked you but you really want everyone to know what you think. A-typical of a leftist uninformed supervoter. I’ll lob one to you now… @wookie_x: “The city of Chicago has gun laws, so does Washington, DC,” Obama said. “The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can’t initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang bangers and random shootings on the street isn’t borne out by our Constitution.” That’s a direct quote. What it means is he’s citing misuse by individuals as a way to take… Read more »

    wookie_x
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    @Blondie: Well golly there, what that says to me is that he’s going to let the local lawmakes decide what kind of gun control they want, as dictated by their specific problems. Yeah, I can see how that would be terrifying to someone who lives in Canada, especially with Canadian gun laws.

    wookie_x
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    Local lawmakers, that is.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    Forcing the local lawmakers is the point.

    Thanks for purposefully missing it.

    Sticky
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    @Puulaahi:
    @wookie_x:
    C’mon guys, stop feeding the troll. Maybe he’ll go away.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    Ya I’M the troll.

    lol

    I pointed out the stupidity of the cartoon.

    Whining storm of pussy tears ensued as expected.

    They be the trolls.

    As are you since you trolled yourself at the start of this thread.

    Sticky
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    Well damn. It appears that I forgot the ¶ to denote sarcasm. Dearie me.

    wookie_x
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    Perhaps I am missing the point. Allowing local lawmakers (and thus local populations) to determine the kind of control (or lack thereof) is what I perceive to be the OPPOSITE of police state tactics. But I guess that’s how they do things in the Magical Northern Land Of Canada.

    wookie_x
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    I should more accurately say “That’s what they call Police State in the Magical Northern Land Of Canada.”

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    Allowing? Since when are they not allowed? lol Common sense isn’t your thing? Forcing them to change their laws in accordance with a federal ideal is a police state. That’s kinda the biggest part of it. It delegates the responsibility to a municipal level while allowing them the same control as if they were over your shoulder themselves. In the magical land of Canada we think about things first. You go ahead and keep your line of thinking though. Remember that when you suddenly can’t do near as much as you used to be able to its because you live… Read more »

    wookie_x
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    @Blondie: So far I’m not seeing anyone forcing anyone to do anything. I’m seeing the president telling the local law makers that they can make their own gun control laws. To say this is FORCING, then you’ve got a strange idea of force. That would be like you coming to my house for dinner, then me FORCING you to decide whether or not you want apple pie for dessert. Like going on a road trip and me FORCING you to decide whether you wanted to take the interstate or stick to local roads. OH MY GOODNESS, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS… Read more »

    SumoSnipe
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    SumoSnipe

    @wookie_x: Well get in the kitchen and make me some PIE!

    SumoSnipe
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    SumoSnipe

    And for everyone yelling for or against Obama, did anyone else notice the date on this toon? It is almost 3 years old. Before he was a twinkle in the media eye.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    @wookie_x: When someone like the president points out something as blatantly obvious and granted as ‘local law makers can pass the laws they want to locally’ and then ‘I don’t see why all these other local law makers can’t pass the same laws I’m used to in an effort to combat all the rampant crime that’s everywhere and after your children’ its a clear sign of testing the waters before making a advisement and urging people to do what he thinks is right. Same as every other liberal type world wide. They want everyone to be as open minded and… Read more »

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    @SumoSnipe:

    Blame Sticky.

    wookie_x
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    @Blondie: Tell you what, kitten, when the Canadian gun laws become as liberal and open as the American gun laws, then you can talk to me about “police state”. On another note, if you REALLY want to criticize Obama, why not start with the comment kendobunny made instead of choosing a hypocritical standpoint? Or are you really so full of yourself that you don’t read anything anyone else posts? If you want to talk about Obama and police state, why not pick a VALID point? Just an observation (that you’ll likely ignore).

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    Um…the idiocy of that last statement astounds and saddens me.

    I didn’t know I was arguing with a complete tard.

    So because Canada already has had certain rights you take for granted taken away I should not criticize those looking to do the same to you.

    Really?

    I made a valid point. The problem is I didn’t write it out phonetically in crayon so it went right past you.

    Hypocritical? Nope. Not in the slightest.

    Up with people.

    wookie_x
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    @Blondie: Kitten, you disappoint me. Unable to summon anything that resembles an argument, you resort to name calling. I actually expected more from you, though I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. Well, it’s been fun. Believe what you want to believe. Believe that your superior Canadian logic has firmly trounced the stupid American redneck. Believe whatever helps you sleep better at night. In the end, though, you and I both know that instead of coming up with a valid counterpoint, you resorted to name calling.

    SumoSnipe
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    SumoSnipe

    I’m still waiting on my pie. I chose pie WHERE THE HELL IS MY PIE?

    wookie_x
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    @SumoSnipe: There is pie. Pie in the kitchen. Apple Pie. You like apple pie. I could say you have the choice to NOT have apple pie, but that might be construed as a police state tactic.

    RSIxidor
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    RSIxidor
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    S A T I R E

    SumoSnipe
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    SumoSnipe

    @RSIxidor: Mushroom MUSHROOM!



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