Pay a computer to pray for you

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I came across this crazy site:
www.informationageprayer.com/
apparently, you can pay a computer to pray for you…


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    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    Of course.

    Because the action is more important than the intent. Omnipotent beings are so easily fooled.

    Gouki4u
    Member

    Wow. Someone found a way to make prayer less effective.

    storminator
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    will the computer go to HELL and burn in eternal hellfire INSTEAD of me?? ROFLMFAO

    damn, christians are brain-washed brain-dead dumb-asses…

    aarpie
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    Not all of us. Some of us are even willing to admit that evolution has its merits. But yeah… this is just sad. People just don’t get it.

    the3g_ipwn
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    @storminator:
    Why must some people constantly question the Faith of others? Personally, I’m somewhat undecided, but I am opposed to the idea that religious faith is inherently bad to others. What is wrong with living under the belief that you actions will carry consequences and rewards beyond the material posessions of the world? Unwavering belief that each individual must answer to a higher, other-worldly authority, has been the bedrock on which every single civilization has laid it’s foundation. Where would we be without religion?

    Neg
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    @the3g_ipwn:

    In a much better world?

    Tychoerikson
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    Your basis for that being what exactly?

    the3g_ipwn
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    @Neg: More likely extinct. At the very most, ignorant and uncivilized. I know you would argue that, without religion, there would be no wars or conflict. I agree. Because there would be no society. We would still be aimlessly wandering the plains, struggling for survival. What if the Greeks, and Romans had never evolved a society of rules to govern themselves? Laws based on the foundation of pleasing the Gods, that there are great rewards and consequenses to our every action. Even the Ancient Egyptians and Asian Civilizations believed in higher powers. They congregated to great leaders that they believed… Read more »

    Neg
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    @the3g_ipwn: – I would have to believe in hell to imagine it 🙂 -Religion came after society. -I would not argue that there would be no wars or conflict, that would be ignorant. “Whithout the influence of religion, there would never have been Great Pyrimids, Colleseums, and Parthenons. No roads, or sanitation systems.” ^^^Seriously?!?! Yes they might have been influenced by religion but what importance do the great pyramids, coliseums or religious temples such as the Parthenon serve? The coliseums served to kill people that did a lot of good. Not only that but all of those were built by… Read more »

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    @the3g_ipwn: We’d probably still bury or burn dead bodies for health reasons. The only way I could see us living without religion would be if there was an answer to ‘why are we here’ in which case we would still have civilization or some form of unity while we worked towards that goal. But we don’t so we just make shit up. I used to think religion was kind of bad because of the nutters but I don’t think religion makes them nutters. They’d be annoying and stupid no matter what how they spent their days. Religious devotion just gives… Read more »

    Neg
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    @Blondie: I completely agree.
    Also I found an answer to the ‘why are we here’ question while I was on shrooms one time, hence why I live without religion…

    nyoki
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    I don’t understand the assumption that society came after religion. I think it was likely the other way around. The rules were for behaving in a society w/ other men, not for pleasing this or that god. Once a society hit a given level, religion seems to always come into play. Generally religion is more about controlling other people and little to do w/ any original precepts of god(s).

    the3g_ipwn
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    What? Nomadic gatherer/hunters praying and giving offerings to the rain and sun gods? Sacrificing animals to appease the dragon that eats the Sun and Moon? None of this ring a bell?

    the3g_ipwn
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    I don’t mean organizes religion per say, but as long as there have been people, there has been the belief that there is something more powerful at work. I would imagine that the first guy to make a fire was seen as a god.

    Religion is based on the belief in god. Actual existance not required.

    the3g_ipwn
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    Why is it so hard for you to believe? Is my physical existence any more improbable than your own? What about all that hoo-ha with the devil awhile ago from that movie? Nobody had any problem believing that the devil took over and existed in a little girl. All she had to do was wet the rug, throw up some pea soup and everybody believed. The devil you could believe, but not God? I work in my own way. I don’t, I don’t get inside little children; they got enough to do just being themselves. Also I’m not about to… Read more »

    Luke Magnifico
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    the3g_ipwn Do you believe that Rome was the basis of society as we know it today? Let’s presume yes. How and why was Rome founded? Rome was founded around the 8th century, if you could say founded. Latin tribes, that is, tribes that were settled in the Latin territory of the Alban hills.In all likelihood, the Latins were an offshoot of the Celtic people. After moving southwards from Alban to better hunting grounds on the river Tiber, the first village of the group which would become what we know as Rome was built on the Palatine hill. As villages grew… Read more »

    the3g_ipwn
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    @LukeV1-5: Now, yes, it is said that he inherited his throne straight from Horus, but this is just legend.

    Do you ever ask your self why it is a legend? Maybe because alot of people believe it but it can’t be proven. I mean, there’s not much Godly DNA to compare to is there?

    the3g_ipwn
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    @LukeV1-5: Look we all know that god played a huge role in laws of civilization. From the first civilization to our own. Why you would dispute this is beyond me.

    pi_neutrino
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    pi_neutrino

    @the3g_ipwn: What makes you think that societies without religion are more likely to fall apart? “I know you would argue that, without religion, there would be no wars or conflict. I agree. Because there would be no society. We would still be aimlessly wandering the plains, struggling for survival.” Wrong. Studies have been done on societies across the world in a variety of different religious and societal states, and it turns out the exact opposite is true – the less religious a society is, the more prosperous it is. Link: moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html Money quote: “The least theistic secular developed democracies such… Read more »

    Luke Magnifico
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    @the3g_ipwn: Because they wanted to glorify him. His character is similar to Aeneas. Just as Aeneas had his own counsel with the Roman gods, Menes had his. It puts them on a higher plane.

    I also quite disagree with this statement

    People back nin the day were capable of logical thought, you know.

    nyoki
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    @the3g_ipwn:

    Religion is based on the belief in god. Actual existance not required.

    Look we all know that god played a huge role in laws of civilization. From the first civilization to our own. Why you would dispute this is beyond me.

    You’re having problems w/ inconsistency and non-contradiction again.

    nyoki
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    Societies that become religious will decline once that religion falls apart. People will fight against perceived immorality on their part. Make homosexuality illegal and all of a sudden you’ve created a whole new group of criminals. Make someone a criminal and s/he will begin to act like one in other ways as well. So religious people will say things like, “People have become immoral and the decline of civilization always follow. Look at Rome and Sodom & Gomorrah!”. Perhaps if there is no religious made criminality then there are fewer people who feel and act like criminals. Religious people like… Read more »

    Tychoerikson
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    “Religious people like to think they’ve got the moral high ground. They don’t…and never did.” I’m not exactly thrilled with your generalization there. I’m religious and I don’t think I’m morally superior to anyone. We’re all sinners in our own right. I try to be a good person, but it is at times a fairly difficult course of action. Which is why most religious extremists don’t even seem to bother and screw things up for those of us who just want to live a nice quiet life with the God of our choice. The religious folk that people like to… Read more »

    nyoki
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    @Tychoerikson:

    We’re all sinners in our own right. I try to be a good person,

    By what standards do you try to be a good person? Why do you think that one should be a good person? I’m not a sinner and I’d prefer you not consider me one.

    Luke Magnifico
    Member

    @Tychoerikson: See, that’s the thing. “We’re all sinners in our own right” This is a part of Christian doctrine. It’s one of the main parts of the belief structure. But I don’t want to be called a sinner. A sinner is inherently bad. Sinners, in fact, commit sins. Why does the church get to judge me like that, when I don’t even believe in it? That’s like going out into the streets and shouting “ALL WOMEN ARE WHORES AND ALL MEN ARE PERVERTS, BUT IT’S OK FOR ME TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I INCLUDE MYSELF”. It’s not OK. Fuck the… Read more »

    Tychoerikson
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    I don’t try to avoid sin to make God happy. I avoid it to make life better for myself and those around me, which is likely the reason most people do good things. Because it’s pleasant for all involved. Converting to Christianity didn’t really change my actions as a person or my motivations for them. Sin is a handy catch-all phrase for the stuff people do that they shouldn’t. Yes, it means more than that to certain people, but it’s a pretty extensive list in my faith (although shorter than the Don’t Do This list that it was based on).… Read more »

    nyoki
    Member

    @Tychoerikson: Can you use any more qualifiers? By the time you were done typing you’d made moot any and every point you made in your previous post.
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    Congrats on over 10,000 members. That was quick.

    nyoki
    Member

    That was @tiki.

    Phyreblade
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    wow… Computers can do that nowadays?!? what like pay-per-prayer? LOL I do not believe religion is directly related to civilization or that any belief system requires consensus in order to exist. I do not consider it a chicken/egg question. I think they exist in parallel. I think religion is inherently neither good nor bad, but both. Good people will be good and bad people will still be bad in the regardless of the presence of of religion. Early Roman hierarchy was based on a religious pretext. Ceasar was literally, “God” to the Romans. The Egyptians even more so. Those civilizations… Read more »

    nyoki
    Member

    @Phyreblade: …civilizations were *based* on religious beliefs. It goes, and the society always follows suit… But must society go? I think that the reason society’s fall is predicated on the fall of religion is because once you’ve declared that so many things are immoral and illegal (e.g. adultery, homosexuality, promiscuity, non-believers, certain speech) that a majority of the people are technically criminals, you really are in a downward spiral of immorality. For many, there’s little moral distinction between misdemeanors and felonies. Can anyone of us say that they lead a crime free life? Can any religious person here say that… Read more »

    Luke Magnifico
    Member

    @Phyreblade: Caesar was not a god to the Romans. None of the emperors were, not even Augustus. It was an honorary term meaning “quite a good emperor, really”. No one believed he was up in the pantheon of the Gods, sipping ambrosia and tossing lightning. I mean, Octavian had to get it ratified by the Senate. If that’s divine selection, I’m the “golden boy” referred to in Virgil’s Eclogues, LOL! @Tychoerikson: So you don’t like being put in boxes, eh? Well, how about the box, “People don’t do bad things because doing bad things is a sin”? That’s a pretty… Read more »

    Phyreblade
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    @LukeV1-5: I disagree. Roman gods were not viewed as the “God, siting in the heavens, throwing lightening bolts from the sky” kind of gods you describe. That way of thinking is from another belief system. The Roman gods were earthly gods, men of great and divinely imbued power. And that belief system is just as much a religion as those who believed in heaven bound deities. The fact that they had to go through the senate does not diminish their Godhood. Heck, even Zeus was bound by rules, in Christianity humans are given free will, and control of their own… Read more »

    Luke Magnifico
    Member

    @Phyreblade: I disagree. I was describing godhood in terms everyone could understand. Roman gods were based on elements of nature, aspects of daily Roman objects, example, the Penates and the Lares. And yes, in many representations we have, they manifest as men or women, because that’s the way things are done. But they also manifest in other ways. In the Aeneid, Jupiter manifests as an Earthquake and a voice heard in the mind. It’s said that Juturna communicated with a certain member of the Flavian dynasty through the patterns she made on the surface of a spring. The furies are… Read more »

    Phyreblade
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    @LukeV1-5: Your argument is deeply flawed. “Gods” can be defined as anything. And that definition depends entirely upon the belief system in question. There is simply no such thing as a “universally recognized” description of God/Gods. Some belief systems have men who are gods. Others have animals. Other have elements. Others are spirits of the air. There are a gazillion different types of God, and they are is all specific to the beleif system within which they exist. And most importantly wrt your argument, there are many Gods that are non-universal forces. It is a mistake to assume that every… Read more »

    nyoki
    Member

    @Phyreblade: It’s 3.30am, so this will be brief. I almost completely agree. Any major gov’t system that breaks seriously threatens all of gov’t and it’s people. Today’s financial crisis is an example of this. When it’s gov’t-religion, tied together as one entity (so to speak), the breakdown and failure (once started) is nearly impossible to prevent, because it specifically deals w/ moral and virtues and ties it gov’t and justice (legality).



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