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March 4, 2009 at 4:03 pm
“God found dead in space.”
That actually explains a hell of a lot.
March 4, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Well, the last one is a composite (with really poorly done laser beam in panels four and five). Still, this does highlight the varied power level they give Cyclops’s powers. Of course different writers are also pretty varied in his tactical skill, leadership ability, likability, and interchangeable girlfriends.
Of course, Wolverine and Batman are kind of the same.
March 4, 2009 at 4:18 pm
cyclops is a big dick
March 4, 2009 at 4:25 pm
About time we had some Cyclops love.
My favorite of this bunch is the redout-followed-by-crater page from Whedon’s Astonishing X-Men run. That and the the conclusion of issue #23 are among my favorite Cyke moments ever.
March 4, 2009 at 4:39 pm
He’s still pretty lame, though.
March 4, 2009 at 4:41 pm
worst power EVAR…………
March 4, 2009 at 4:44 pm
I like him.
March 4, 2009 at 4:44 pm
@WistfulD: Think on this…
Cyclops’s aim is perfect. Literally, his line of sight is his aim. There is no way he can miss. With his ‘eyebeam’ he can level a mountain. So, if he sees you, you’re dead. Well, that doesn’t make for very good stories. So they have to nerf him somehow, and that generally means someone getting the drop on him. It sucks, but it’s the nature of the story.
They’ve also dropped his ‘master of geometry,’ which basically means he can bank his beam like a pool shot with 99% accuracy.
@Silverwolf: Astonishing did a good job of bringing him back to ‘the X-Man.’ Morrison did a good job of that on his New X-Men run, too. Even Warren Ellis is doing a great job of him in his run of Astonishing, whenever it comes out.
If you want the definitive Cyclops though, you need to check out Claremont’s original run. Ignore his new stuff, unless you got a mad hard-on for him.
@ColombianMonkey: That’s why he gets every hot babe that crosses his path. Big dick. That, and they’re all psychic, so they must know he’s the kind of guy to go all kama sutra compared to Wolverine’s pump ’til you drop.
March 4, 2009 at 4:50 pm
There’s no doubt Cyclops would win a straight up fight, having such a powerful ranged weapon. The problem is that Wolverine has been trained in stealth assassin techniques by the finest in the business. If he REALLY wanted Scott dead, he’d sneak up on him. Cyclops would NEVER see it coming before he was already dead. For example, as you’ll read in nearly any story on ninjas, the most feared ninja technique is the “kill him in his sleep” jutsu.
March 4, 2009 at 4:52 pm
@NoOneInParticular: I second that.
GO WOLVERINE
March 4, 2009 at 4:57 pm
@dieAntagonista: nuh uh your fate is sealed, you cannot change. once for cyclops your sticked with him.
March 4, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Is the second one some sort of Marvel/DC crossover?
I’m not familiar with it…
March 4, 2009 at 5:01 pm
@Paul_Is_Drunk: Yeah, Claremont’s old work is solid gold, but after reading New Excalibur and New Exiles I kinda lost my boner for him… er, I mean, uh… Hey! Look! A shiny ruby quartz visor!
Not a big fan of Morrison’s run. No particular reason, but it just didn’t sit well with me, despite it being responsible for Emma becoming a central character.
Naturally, Ellis is doing a good job on Astonishing. The two Ghost Boxes issues were amazing. His short story featuring Scott as the last surviving X-Man… simply wonderful.
March 4, 2009 at 5:03 pm
@ColombianMonkey: Well I still like him. But Wolverine is better.
Wolverinewolverinewolverine. He is the guy with the beard. He’s mine.
March 4, 2009 at 5:18 pm
@Paul_Is_Drunk:
Well, sometimes he can level a mountain, and sometimes it’s just a strong blast ray that will take a tough, unarmored brawler like Wolverine and simply throw him back thirty feet.
@NoOneInParticular: Again, that depends on what version of Wolverine we are dealing with. Sometimes Logan is a master survivalist/master commando/master samurai/have we mentioned the unbreakable katana he has despite his primary cool power are the unbreakable blades that shoot from his hands?… other times Wolvie is kind of a semi-feral berserker who might charge straight in screaming and could be coaxed into making serious strategic errors. Again it depends on writers.
@ColombianMonkey: @Kishi:
He’s certainly looked that way often in recent years. Up until the first death of Jean Grey, however, he was both a pretty bad ass character and pretty sympathetic. Logan, likewise, has always been badass (although not nearly as much as recently).
Back when X-men #1 came out, adding all the non-American members to the original 5-man band, Scott was a skilled superhero, with a cool power (back then it was used mostly for surgical strikes or ricocheting off things for tactical reasons than they were for straight blasting). Wolverine was a bruiser like Colossus (One early plot arc involved the short lived character Thunderbird, who was strong, fast and durable, but not better than either of the two of them at any one thing), but was a beer drinking, cigar smoking, rather unlikable guy who mostly got along with misfit Nightcrawler.
Through out the years, the fans have clearly loved Wolverine, while the writers have done everything in their power to make Scott less and less likable. I’m not sure why.
March 4, 2009 at 5:38 pm
@WistfulD:
Small correction: GIANT X-Men #1
X-Men was around issue #97 in the mid-70′s.
I also like to think of Cyclops like Superman with this “world of cardboard” speech. Cyclops could just blast and utterly destroy everyone he met, but he’s not insane. He’s constantly keeping his powers in check, and he’s afraid of losing control. It’s actually a big part of his character.
March 4, 2009 at 5:45 pm
hmmmkay
March 4, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Why most non-comic fans hate Cyclops:
www.myconfinedspace.com/2008/10/08/x-men-3-script/
Including taking THE X-Men story, the Dark Phoenix Saga, and making it Logan & Jean instead of the epic Scott & Jean story it originally was.
March 4, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Finally, some non-Wolverine X-Men-related post that praises someone else!
The last frames of the first picture are pure gold.
March 4, 2009 at 6:00 pm
@Paul_Is_Drunk:
Ahahaha. I don’t think I’m a comic fan like most of you, but I definitely don’t hate Cyclops. But that explanation does seem… plausible.
March 4, 2009 at 6:04 pm
@WistfulD: I once went through a period where I read a lot of older X-Men comics- this was maybe five or ten years ago- and at the end of it, I came to the realization that the whole Summers family annoyed the hell out of me.
Though I will say that I regained some respect for Cyclops during the Whedon run on Astonishing X-Men.
March 4, 2009 at 6:32 pm
@Kishi: Interesting. I saw him as a squad leader trying valiently to keep his team acting professional, but being hamstrung that the overall leader (Xavier) was such a charismatic and effectual leader that everyone looked to him for leadership an didn’t need cyke. Thus we had situations where Wolverine or Thunderbird (or Storm or Banshee or Colossus) would go off like a loose cannon and Cyclops would have to be the heavy and yell out something like, “come back here!”, or “stick to the plan!” and since we all know that going off like a loose cannon never screws things up or gets someone killed (notable exception Thunderbird), Cyclops was always looking like the fool. I don’t know. I always had sympathy for him up until he abandoned his wife and child (Madelon Prior era) to form X-factor with Beast and Angel. That’s when I realized that the writers had fallen out of love with him and were shoving him out the door.
Except then they kept him around…making him more and more of the buttmonkey of the series.
March 4, 2009 at 6:42 pm
@WistfulD: Exactly. Cyclops is the hall-monitor of the X-Men.
March 4, 2009 at 7:03 pm
@bejamus:
Here’s the card set from the comics it was really gimmicky, with fans voting on the fights, but entertaining enough.
@WistfulD:
wolverine once threw him down a pit, and then dropped a rock on him or some shit, then went back to the x-men and boned jean grey. Anyways, Here’s a cover of cyclops vs wolverine, yay!
March 4, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Cyclops has ALWAYS been the straight-man of the group. Straight-men don’t get good parts. And before anyone makes a gay joke, read this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_act
Anywho, I like Cyclops just fine. He’s a great leader. He just isn’t going to get the great parts that bad guys and characters like Wolverine do. I also just feel that unless he can goad Wolverine into a head-on attack, he’s dog meat. No offense, but his only ability beyond thinking is a straight force beam that shoots from his eyes. Logan has been training for decades longer than Scott’s been alive in every form of combat the writers could think of.
Oh, and Wistful, the super sword is actually stronger than Adamantium, and it’s much longer than his claws. Two and a half feet of unbreakable sword > six inch almost unbreakable claws in a straight fight. If they wanted to make Wolverine ridiculously overpowered, they could have him shoot force beams from his eyes as well.
March 4, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Well, I guess I’ll have to post the rest of it then.
Including one of the times Cyclops took on the entire team solo, and the time he told Abigail Brand, “I swear to you I’ll cut your head off and hide the fucking body if that’s what it takes…”
March 4, 2009 at 7:30 pm
I’m sooooooo indifferent to him
March 4, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Comics writers today think they’re being clever or edgy by turning powerful leader-types into dickish morons—e.g., Frank Miller’s hate boner for Superman. You find a Frank Miller fan, 2 to 1 odds they think Batman could beat Supes in a fight. Ditto the writers of X-Men, treating Wolverine like hot shit, when anyone with a bit of history knows that Cyclops is the man.
…And should never have married Jean Grey.
…And should never have dated Emma Frost after marrying Jean Grey.
March 4, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Gambit is the coolest X-Men character. Discussion over.
March 4, 2009 at 9:38 pm
@rattybad:
fuck you, batman has always been able to take on superman. superman is a fucking tard compared to batman.
BATMAN IS GOD.
March 4, 2009 at 11:04 pm
JEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 5, 2009 at 12:39 am
OH come on, is Cyclops the new Hulk now?
March 5, 2009 at 4:26 am
@NoOneInParticular: Wistful was given to Scott by Wolverine because hes the most upstanding uncorruptable man to be found who could actually keep Logan down long enough to use it. For those why dont know and care, Wistful is a magical demon possessed sword that is capable of permanently killing Wolverine. It also is Wolverine’s “Black Flash” when ever he is completely destroyed he has to fight the demon in his mind and defeat it or be dead for all time.
As for why Scott, because the general consensus is that Professor X mind crushed that boy so hard that his brothers with have a brain hemorrhage if he tries to do something evil.
March 5, 2009 at 8:17 am
@rundinj: Um, sure, why not? wtf?
March 5, 2009 at 10:13 am
I have the X-Factor issue which has that Walt Simonson panel of Cyke blasting someone into flying bones –but I totally forget who it was he was blasting.
March 5, 2009 at 3:14 pm
@tiki god: You know that the link you posted actually shows Batman getting owned by Supes, right? So what is it? Batman’s God because he gets his brains splattered?
I’m a Batman fan, but no way he could EVER take on Superman.