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TOKAMAK

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Inside view of a swiss TOKAMAK



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    Luke Magnifico

    My favourite physics engine.

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    hvymetal86

    Looks like a test fusion reactor…

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    RSIxidor

    For those, like me, who had no clue: Wiki: Tokamak Pretty cool.

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    HoChunk

    Looks like the ugly brother of a TARDIS.

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    Annarchy

    HoChunk:
    Compared to the TARDIS, most things are ugly.

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    GorillaMunch

    pfff. cold fusion beats this hands down.

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    ieattime20

    Ohhhh, Tokamak. Please hurry up and become a feasible system of providing energy so that we may not have fossil fuels any more.

    Miniature sun reactor FTW! Yay nuclear byproduct of WATER/HELIUM!

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    #makecasemdsgreatagain

    Mine better

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    NoOneInParticular

    If they put even 0.0001% the money into fusion reactor designs like the Farnsworth Fusor that they put into these monstrosities, we’d already have fusion power.

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    The Matrix: Rebooted

    NoOneInParticular: Spending money on a project does not change the laws of physics. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of Farnsworth Fusors built (at least 0.0001% of the money spend on TOKAMAK has been spent on them), but none have gotten to Q=1. Without getting too technical, there is good reason to believe that inertial-electrostatic confinement will never break even.

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    Annarchy

    But we already have solar power that’s available. Why are we re-inventing the wheel again?

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    AgZed

    Annarchy: Because we’re scientists, and that’s how we roll.

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    RSIxidor

    Annarchy:
    AgZed:
    SRSLY

    Why create something that could be dangerous when we have awesomeness readily available?

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    The Matrix: Rebooted

    AgZed: Here.Here.
    Annarchy: RSIxidor: Science is about figuring out how the universe works. Solar power might be a better solution for energy production, but let’s study other things to just to see if they can work.

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    Nimbo

    Why build one? Cause the sun is like 149,597,870,691 meters away from us right now. A tokamak can be in my backyard, generatin’ my energies.

    Besides the fallout from a tokamak accident would really be quite small in comparison to other, heavy nuclear energy generation.

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    QuantumStorm


    Any link you might have to the technical details of why such a system will not break even? And also what about ITER?

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    NoOneInParticular

    reboot: After hundreds of [b]BILLIONS[/b] of dollars, Tokamaks haven’t reached unity gain either. There hasn’t been even ten million spent on Farnsworth Fusors. Also, magnetic deflection of charges around the acceleration grid shows great promise at finally breaking unity gain. And while there have been thousands of Farnsworth Fusors built, the vast majority are built by amateur researchers in their garage. It’s funny that something built for less than $500 in a garage shows more promise than a $10B Tokamak. 😀

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    The Matrix: Rebooted

    QuantumStorm: Honestly, I can’t find one that would accessible without a university account. Try looking of some of Nevins’ work at LANL. He’s done some calculations that show IEC can’t get better than about Q=.1-.3.
    NoOneInParticular: You have know idea what you’re talking about.
    I’m really getting tired of arguing with clueless people who can’t even bother to google enough to get their figures in the right ballpark, but somehow think they’re smarter than all the scientists in the world.

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    AgZed

    RSIxidor: The spirit of inquiry is never satisfied with “good enough” or “that’ll do”. Human curiosity will always compel us forward, to make it (whatever “it” is), bigger/smaller, faster, cheaper. Better. Human progress has no limits, no line that we can draw and say “From here, we go no further.” So to your question of “Why?”, I give you the same answer that men & women of science have been giving since the first time the question was asked: Because we can.

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    NoOneInParticular

    reboot: I’m tired of arguing with brainwashed retards who don’t know what THEY’RE yammering about. I’ve got a degree in physics. I’ve forgotten more about both then you’ll EVER know. Quite a few of those scientists (those not bought by the billions handed out to hot plasma fusion projects) agree with me, and are becoming more vocal by the year as things like Tokamaks continue to fail to produce tangible results despite billions of dollars. Pull your head out of your ass and do some more research yourself. You’re clearly deluded, or bought and paid for. Your choice. 😛

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    Annarchy

    RSIxidor:
    AgZed:
    So, just like mountain climbing: because we can. Hm. I suppose I am in the minority when I say that just because you can do something does not mean you should do it. Hadron collider, anyone?

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    HoChunk

    Annarchy: Why shouldn’t we use the Hadron Collider?

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    Annarchy

    HoChunk:
    Oh, where to start? First reason: the guys running it have no idea what it will really do once it’s up and running. I am not comforted by the thought that some numbnut scientist will end the universe (and I know the odds are tiny that will happen) just to see what his shiny new toy does. It will be used to mostly prove and disprove theories, which is asinine in my opinion. At an expected cost of €3.2–6.4 billion, couldn’t they have used their giant brains to come up with a better way to spend that ungodly amount of money?

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    ~

    you are deeply stupid and i am glad you are not here anymore

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    RSIxidor

    Why are we still talking about this? the answer is clearly Dog shit

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    Annarchy

    RSIxidor:
    Truer words have never been seen on this site before.

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