Science = moon. Religion = buildings.

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Just saw this today and thought it was hilariously true.


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    VilaWolf
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    So true. I just wish you could do things like that here in the states. Land of the free my hat!

    Goldfinger
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    So Religion = Yay?
    I mean: What the FUCK do I want on the moon? There’s nothing up there! In buildings on the other hand…

    erock11
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    @VilaWolf:
    Too true. Everybody’s just too afraid of offending everybody else. And let’s not forget how too many people are just so “sue-happy”. Bastards!

    Teutonic Logic
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    Teutonic Logic

    This BS, yeah its an ongoing campgain by atheist in London, their is a counter movement by Pro-religion already ongoing buses. Good to see that both these groups have the money to spend on such a retardly wasteful endeavor. Not like that money could be better served you know going to charity.

    Elepski
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    FTW!

    Alec Dalek
    Member

    @Teutonic Logic: Christers have spent billions of dollars on advertising similar to this over the last 100 years. Atheists? Just what they spent on that bus campaign. But it’s the Christers that have the mandate to support charity, not atheists!

    @VilaWolf:
    This campaign has spread to the US. I believe these ads are running in Washington, at the very least. The time has passed when Christers can intimidate us!

    W
    Member

    Who cares what people believe or don’t believe? Except muslims. Fuck them and allah.

    Teutonic Logic
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    Teutonic Logic

    @AlecDalek Let me get this straight your saying christians have spent billons of dollars advertising on buses over the last 100 years? You would think that would be pretty ubitious, but I have never in my life seen a single Christian advertisment on a bus. A few adverts on television encouraging people to go to a particular, but how is that intimidation? Is coca cola intimidating you to buy their product? As for the charity, I’m saying human beings should have the decency to help their fellow human beings not waste money on something so polarizing and stupid. What does… Read more »

    fatkidsay
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    Apollo 11 astronauts: All Christians.

    Corman
    Member

    @Teutonic Logic: “I have never in my life seen a single Christian advertisment on a bus”

    Clever wording. Maybe not on a bus, but on billboards, I’m sure you have. Not to mention TV commercials cost many times more than small bus adverts.

    Teutonic Logic
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    Teutonic Logic

    but this isnt a war between atheist and believers. People can believe whatever they want, atheism isnt a religion it isnt about converting people. So what is the goal of this advertisment campgain? As I asserted its pure provacation, its goal is to get a rise out people. What is noble about that? In this economic time wouldnt it be better to spend that money on something more meanful like relief for the homeless or the hungry. Charity shouldnt just be a mandate for religion, it should be a mandate of human beings.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    @Teutonic Logic: “What does this effort accomplish?”
    It made me laugh. That is sufficient justification. In fact, more money should be spent specifically for my entertainment. Others may incidentally benefit, but only those who don’t have a stick up their ass.

    Ando
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    Pro Tip:
    This is shooped.

    Original Atheist ad said:
    “There is probably no god. Now stop worrying and enjoy life”

    Godfag rebuttal said:
    “There definitely is a god. Now join the christian party and enjoy life”

    This image is from the atheist bus ad generator:
    ruletheweb.co.uk/b3ta/bus/

    Teutonic Logic
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    Teutonic Logic

    @ando

    Does it really matter what was actually said, bus advertisments shouldnt be the forum to discuss religion. For or agaisnt. The pro-religious groups are just as bad for wasting their money. They shouldnt respond to the adverts just ignore them, and go on with your life.

    Howie Feltersnatch
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    It’s funny ’cause it’s true.

    natedog
    Member

    fanatacism flies you into buildings

    fix’d

    Troik
    Member

    @Teutonic Logic:

    Atheism isn’t about converting people, that is true, but that doesn’t mean that religion can “work the flock” and atheists should just lie down and roll over…I like it that Atheism has a voice.

    CathyLong
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    1: Subways here in NY have religious adverts all over them. Almost every church has purchased ad space in those cars. So, yes, chuches do advertise in large cities. Just like any other business looking for new clients.

    2: Religious fanaticism can lead to idiotic and deadly things. History proves that again and again.

    3: Scientific fanatacism can lead one to be an arrogant asshole. But it can also lead to new ideas.

    End of the day, I’ll take snobbery over oppression and death.

    Teutonic Logic
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    Teutonic Logic

    @starkiller yeah but athiesm is an idea (an idea that defines itself for what it is not), it is nothing more. Athiesm isnt a way of life, and what is its voice going to say? besides I would guess that most church adverts are not aimed at athiests their goal is to poach church members from other churchs. (the nobility of this is obviously dubios) Athiests arent going to be converting people who are religious by bus advertisements. So to get back to my point, what is the intention of this advert? I would say it is provocation, getting in… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    @Teutonic Logic: What? My previous justification wasn’t enough? How about this: the purpose isn’t just to convert “unbelievers” but to embolden “believers”. Ads like this let people know that even though they are a minority, they are not alone. This, in turn, makes them more willing to speak and act on their point-of-view. For someone who self-identifies with Germanic thinking, your grasp of practical propaganda is weak.

    Teutonic Logic
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    Teutonic Logic

    do you really think athiest think they are alone in this world? In the UK they appear to be the majority, and in the western world we live in a thourghly secularized state in general. What further goals are on the Athiest agenda? getting rid of “under god” (I’m a believer and even i think this is stupid), seperating church and state further (I think that churchs in the US have become to political), ending tax exemption for churchs and charity organizations?

    Ando
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    @Teutonic Logic:
    I was just clarifying.
    My only beef is that the ASA allowed an unsubstatiated claim in an advert.

    Kishi
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    @Timmay72: Apparently the atheists putting signs on buses care what people believe, too.

    Seriously, people, this whole thing is just dumb. Just live your life and let people live theirs. Arguing over religion is such a pointless waste of time, and atheists who engage in it prove they’re just the same sort of proselytizing dumbfucks as Christians.

    Troik
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    I would think that the purpose of this campaign, as partially every other campaign, is to raise awareness for one. But I agree with you it’s also about provocation. I myself respect religious people and know a lot of people who believe in some form of higher power, which is great and I’m sure fells kinda nice, but Religion also invokes idiocy in some people if taken too literally, I think that’s another target of this campain. To show an alternate way of thinking. So in closing I would say that it’s important to note that not believing in god… Read more »

    natedog
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    www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/02/16/Atheism_bus_advertising_stalls_in_Italy/UPI-60601234834600/

    “GENOA, Italy, Feb. 16 (UPI) — Atheists’ first rolling advertisement in Italy got off to an ignominious start Monday when the bus touting their doubt in God, perhaps inexplicably, conked out.”

    WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

    Kishi
    Member

    Oh, and science sure ass hell hasn’t gotten me, personally, on the moon. So I’m still waiting.

    Puulaahi
    Member

    @natedog: Homeless on the street somewhere asking for money and food, whilst proclaiming he is the lord.

    MacheteJak
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    @CathyLong: Scientific Fanaticism can lead to bad things too. Just because it’s not a form (as Christianity is) doesn’t mean it can’t do bad things. Atomic Bomb for instance.

    My opinion is that this tells HALF the story. Christianity can do good. Science can as well.
    Christianity can do bad. Science can as well.
    And I will not waste one single second quantifying both so I can see who’s “Caring Penis” is bigger. I will not bash any belief that truly helps people, regardless of it’s fanatic fans.

    MacheteJak
    Member

    @Kishi: I agree. Religious debates are Idiotic. You’re slinging mud to decide who gets to wash the car.
    IT ISN’T HELPING.

    Troik
    Member

    @MacheteJak:
    It wasn’t science that dropped the first a-bomb, science isn’t good or bad, it just explains stuff. Political fanaticism dropped that bomb.

    MacheteJak
    Member

    Plane (Science) drops Bomb (Science) for reason (whatever it is).

    No Science, just people yelling.

    Then Again: What are they yelling about?

    *Flings mud at the Car* MY TURN TO WASH IT!

    CathyLong
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    @MacheteJak: I’m not going to bother arguing this further here because you could write volumes on the subject. But the atom bomb was never designed to do ANYTHING but kill people and was openly advertised as a weapon. Telling a large mass of people that if they don’t kill/objectify/oppress a certain group of non believers then they will be denied salvation is also promoting violence. Religion’s just more secretive about its agenda. Take almost any faith, read what it teaches and then read what they TELL you it teaches. You will find, in most cases, that all is not as… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    The atomic bomb has almost certainly saved millions of lives. First by eliminating the need to invade Japan and later on by acting as a deterrent to WWIII.

    Puulaahi
    Member

    @reboot: The atomic bomb also killed thousands of civilians and left a large radioactive site. Which people are still sick from to this day. Also the threat of Global Thermonuclear War which hangs over the worlds head to this day too. USA has enough to bomb the entire world three times over.

    Religion, Science, Politics and Greed are all to blame for Humanity failing at an epic scale.

    Teutonic Logic
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    Teutonic Logic

    everyone always talks about how many people religious fanatics kill. In the 20th century specificaly athiests ideologies (communism, fascism) killed oh about 40 million in china, 3 million in Cambodia, 20 million in Easter Europe and this is not counting those lost in fighting in ww2. So just keep in mind that athiests can go on a tear and pile up the bodies just as high as religious fanactics.

    TheLotusEater725
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    @Teutonic Logic:

    Dude, stop making sense. Everyone knows that the world would be all unicorns and cotton candy if we all stopped believing in god. Also atheists are completely rational and logical people who never resort to cheap advertisement campaigns or rudimentary insults to advance their agenda. Oh and remember atheists have NO AGENDA AT ALL. Nope, they just want people to be able to think for themselves…by buying billboard ads insisting that people stop believing in God, and belittling those who do not agree with them.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    @thelotuseater725: As soon as Christians quit passing laws like Prop 8 or trying to redefine science in schools, then you can get snarky about an atheist agenda. This little campaign is harmless compared to damage being done in the name of religion today. Not 30 years ago or 60 year ago, Teutonic Logic, TODAY: religion still continues to be a force for ignorance, suffering and oppression.

    Teutonic Logic
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    Teutonic Logic

    @thelotuseater725

    nice, that should probably wrap this thread up.

    Teutonic Logic
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    Teutonic Logic

    @reboot First off I know you know this but I should bring it up, it really doesnt make sense to lump all 1.5 billion Christians into one group. For instance I strongly favor science being an intergral part of education, I do believe in evolution. Why because I’m not pentacostal or evanglistic. Moderate Christians are engaged in a quarrel for the direction of their individual churchs and sects. However, provactional attacks make it more difficult. And when you lump all Christians together and remorseless at us, we natural band together and pushing things to a more moderate stance becomes difficult… Read more »

    RSIxidor
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    Everyone has an agenda. I don’t really have any arguments beyond that. But they do.

    Puulaahi
    Member

    Can’t we all just get along?

    twosticks
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    Just chiming in to point out a small hangup; the US is a Democratic Republic, not a straight up true democracy. Elected officials do the majority of voting on issues, so that the public’s time isn’t consumed voting. A nice side effect is that this makes sure that majority rule doesn’t turn into mob rule and completely flush the rights of the minority down the toilet. As in the example you gave.

    Silverwolf
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    @Teutonic Logic: I agree. Saying all people who have religious people (be they Christians or otherwise) are illogical, science-denying, homophobic fanatics is an appalling display of bigotry in itself. I have personal religious beliefs culled from various faiths and doctrines, but when a religious concept contradicts science, fact, logic, common sense or compassion, I simply discard it. Ergo, I believe in evolution, and I fully support personal freedoms, including gay marriage rights.

    Oh, and I’d much rather fly to the moon than into a building. See? I got common sense, me.

    Awesome1
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    the real truth is that neither science nor religion will do either for almost everyone.

    dhg4983
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    @ twosticks I would go farther and say this is a straight republic, I will stand by my statment regarding prop 8 because I believe that it is a case of direct democracy (as most referendums are). The rights of the minority vs. those of the majority has always been an intregral part of American politics. However if you look back through American History, the minority group has not been given protection until they forced the majority to recognize their position. The movement for civil rights by African-Americans and the feminist movements are both notable examples that continue on. However… Read more »

    Drunkin
    Member

    African-Also, Africa. of or from Africa; belonging to the black peoples of Africa, also; a native or inhabitant of Africa.

    American-a citizen of the United States of America. a native or inhabitant of the Western Hemisphere. an Indian of North or South America.

    African-American-a black American of African descent.

    European- of or pertaining to Europe or its inhabitants. a person of European descent.

    European-american- Not fucking found?!?! WTF?!

    I always mark other now.

    Puulaahi
    Member

    @Drunkin: Well Europe is a continent made up of many nations. You have to be more precise: Belgian/ Italian/ German… American. We’re all human in the end though. So much more then our nationality.

    Drunkin
    Member

    @Puulaahi: I understand. But what about africa? not to be a sarcastic prick, but isn’t africa full of many nations just like europe? And in order for me to be more precise I would have a pretty long ass title to add. However, I agree with you about humanity. But I hate political correctness.

    But hey I’ll give it a try:
    French-(scotch-irish)-british-swedish-german-native-american.

    nope too fucking long.

    Puulaahi
    Member

    @Drunkin: Works for Africa too. Naturally a citizen of Africa will call themselves more than simply an African Citizen. That’s generalizing. Have to narrow it down. Kind of a large continent that’s not united.

    And that does work. Usually people pick and choose one or two though.

    Personally, I am neither for or against political correctness. But when people come off as racist and ignorant. I’m for it.

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @reboot: Y’know reboot,-forgive me if i am being scornful or condescending here- How can a man of your knowledge be so bigoted when it comes to these issues. What factual evidence do you have that supports this belief that all Christians and all religious people are Bigoted idiots who deny science, and furthermore where are you getting this supposed “factual” data from? I’m not talking about citing the Witch hunts, Crusades or the Inquisition or other historical. the thought process and philosophy behind those actions has long been considered obsolete. Any modern following that embraces the theology and practice of… Read more »

    Drunkin
    Member

    @Puulaahi: right but I was refering to the whole african-american vs european-american subject. Not the same as saying “I am an american” or “I am african.” Of course one could naturally say “I am kenyan.” I understand and agree with that part. I guess the point I am trying to get to is throwing all this african/mexican/japanese/(you get the point)-american is fucking retarded. Last I checked, you are born here, or are a citzen one should be labeled an American? Or is my logic so compeltely fucked I should clean my gun while its loaded and happen to look down… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @Puulaahi:

    Puulaahi
    Can’t we all just get along?

    Only if we can cuddle afterwards.

    Just This Guy, You Know?
    Member

    Again, this underscores why I am more of a Deist than anything else. Kinda hard to reject science when a core “article of faith” is that the more we understand the world and universe around us, the more we come to understand the nature of its creator. Further muddying of the waters comes about when people use words like “belief” to describe their opinion on Evolution. The Theory of Evolution is exactly that: a Theory in the truest scientific sense. It is not an article of Faith, or bit of scientific dogma for me to believe in unquestioningly. It is… Read more »

    Just This Guy, You Know?
    Member

    Holy crap, how did I leave out these two?

    From a letter to Miles King:
    “Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to our god alone. I enquire after no man’s and trouble none with mine; nor is it given to us in this life to know whether yours or mine, our friend’s or our foe’s, are exactly the right. ”

    And my favorite of all, from a letter to Peter Carr:
    “Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.”

    Puulaahi
    Member

    @Drunkin: Well some people are proud of their family heritage. Nothing wrong with that.

    Drunkin
    Member

    @Puulaahi: and so am I. But appearantly in some parts of this nation thats a crime if your skin is of a lighter tone than light brown. Doesn’t make sense to me.

    Ando
    Member

    @thelotuseater725:
    The original Atheist ad wasn’t cheap, insulting, insistant or belittling.

    PrometheusUnbound
    Member
    PrometheusUnbound

    @CathyLong: What the fuck is “scientific fanaticism”?



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