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    Just This Guy, You Know?

    Bah. Good riddance, I say.

    Alec Dalek

    Yeah, that show sucked so bad, it completely swallowed the penis.

    frogurtx

    Loved this show. Enterprise swallowed numerous penii though.

    Stolid

    Umm… I thought a bitch (since ships are referred to in the female pronoun) swallowing penis was good…

    nyoki

    frogurtx: I was beginning to think I was the only one to love this show.

    Why does everyone think it sucked balls?

    Dral

    Because the whole show was built on the premise that a female Starship Captain went and got her ship lost in an uncharted part of space. Then manaaged to harass every other sentient species for directions back.

    Just This Guy, You Know?

    @nyokki: Because it was Lost in Space. And that’s being charitable. The premise was flawed from the beginning. You know they’re never going to get back, or the series would be over. What’s the point in tuning in every week just to watch them fark it up and not make it home again?

    Now if they had equipped a Defiant class ship with the Federation’s equivalent of the Dirty Dozen, then told them “We’re sending you here. It will take you approximately 30 years to make it back. Chart everything you can between here and there, and if you make it back early– if you make it back at all, we will pardon you for whatever you did to end up in this crew,” it would have been badass. That way at least the viewer would know they were in it for the long haul, and the central conceit would have been “How will they survive,” not “how will they not make it home this week.” They could have even used Ensign Ro, which would have been pretty awesome.

    Just This Guy, You Know?

    Record Store Tough Guy: So that’s how you do a real reply. Duh. :-/

    Liam4Now

    frogurtx: Next time you hear the opening theme to the show (just before they show Mulgrew’s credits) I swear it sounds like someone should be singing:

    “..the Voyager,
    the Voyager,
    Voyager… is Lost!!”

    Try it:

    tiki god

    nyokki:
    I happened to like it very much, especially the later episodes dealing with AI rights and their eventual voyage home.

    TGGeko

    I liked it. Robert Picardo is awesome.

    It’s the same reason that people kept watching Gilligan’s Island. We know that they wont get off, so why do we keep watching?

    Survival was also a major part of the series.

    Just This Guy, You Know?

    TGGeko: That’s the thing. It’s a great premise for a sitcom, because at least then the reason they don’t get home is at least funny. They had already done Lost in Space in the 60s, and to me, Voyager didn’t seem to add anything to the Space Family Robinson theme. I gave it a chance, I really did, but I just never could get into it the way I did DS9. I think the weekly promo spots soured me too, because the ones I saw always seemed to play on the “This week they make it home… or do they?” No. No they won’t.

    I dunno. Maybe if DS9 hadn’t been made of so much Win I’d like Voyager better, but those two shows don’t even feel like part of the same franchise sometimes.

    storminator

    nelix pissed me off.

    Puulaahi

    Borg rule! They are like: Conform or die motherfucker!

    Azar

    This a shot from the game still being made.

    Phyreblade

    Record Store Tough Guy:
    I actually liked this series. And you also forget that for all intents and purposes, the plot of the original might have just as well been the same. Inordinate amounts of time spent in space encountering new species. I’m a fan of all of them, but I think Voyager had a much more fully developed (and more interesting) back story.

    The *only* real difference between them was their locale. And the fact that they couldn’t go home whenever they wanted. But in the grand scheme of things these are trivial points. How often did you ever see the original enterprise crew go home?

    If anything, I would consider DS9 the redheaded stepchild of the bunch, because save for the Dominion war arc, it was literally just another soap opera. That happened to be in space…

    nyoki

    Most hour long shows are or become soap operas for people who work during the day. The Sopranos, Lost, Prison Break and Sons of Anarchy are fairly explicit soap operas (for guys). The original plot line rarely lasts a season. After that it’s up to the writers to develop arcs and keep us interested (and not forgetting who their audience is). I thought Voyager did that well.

    reptilecobra13

    I’ve liked every series but Enterprise, which I tried but couldn’t get interested in after the first few episodes.

    Puulaahi

    nyokki: BLASPHAMY! Soap Operas are for women only! How dare you.

    nyoki

    Puulaahi: Call it what you want…’tis still a soap. :<)

    SumoSnipe

    nyokki: Hey! You forgot wrasslin’!
    But yeah. first few seasons were kinda blah. Did pick up steam towards the end there.
    Enterprise>TNG. But DS9 was the best of the new stuff.

    sylvanish

    I’ve liked all the Star Trek series, except the old animated show and the original series since that was before my time (but sometimes fun to watch on mushrooms) Voyager had some great moments, and some neat shit, but it was my least favorite. But that show Record Store Tough Guy: describes sounds fuckin awesome!

    TNG > DS9 > Enterprise > Voyager

    nyoki

    I equally like TNG and Voyager. For a while DS9 was my fave. It was grittier than the rest. I’ve seen the original so often that I no longer watch them. I liked most of Enterprise, except the whole time travel arc. All the different series had one thing in common. It took them a couple of seasons to find their groove. They all seemed kind of cheesy at first, but in the end, it’s about the interactions and relationships between the many main characters.

    Luke Magnifico

    sylvanish: Correct.

    /thread.

    mld

    like all other spin off series, too early and too often with the time travel, temporal prime directive garbage.
    It’s a sign of a weak Sci fi script that the writer has to use time travel to write his way out of a hole.
    Lame trek was lame.
    next..

    Phyreblade

    nyokki: I suppose you’re right, they are all soaps in one way or another, however I never really watched them for their sudsy qualities… I liked the ideas, the technology, the unusual hypothetical, moral and ethical dilemmas brought about by advanced technological capabilities, etc.

    I guess that was one of the reasons DS9 isn’t one of my favorites. Yes, it was more gritty, and the Defiant was (imho) perhaps the best ship of all in the the entire ST franchise (Barring the Ill destined Pegasus) but it was really more about the drama, and the character arcs, than it was Sci-fi…

    If I wanted drama, I’d have cared a lot more about who Shot J.R. Ewing… 😛

    RSIxidor

    VOYAGER GOT BORKED

    GET IT IT

    ITS WORDK PLAY

    Luke Magnifico

    RSI

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