Judaism vs Zionism

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Why do American tax payers have to finance a war against innocent people.
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    TheLotusEater725
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    Technically it is not a war.

    Puulaahi
    Member

    I don’t belong to either of those groups. Sweet!
    At this point I am convinces the government has giant machines that incinerate our tax dollars. Billions of dollars always seems to dissapear so easily.

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    Plus the whole zionist movement is bullshit. I support israel but the whole “zionist conspiracy” things is a load of shit peddled by Neo-Nazis and paranoid muslims.

    Elepski
    Member

    FUCKING RELIGION!

    JamesTuskGeorge
    Member

    Judaism, fuck yeah!

    Screw Israel, they’ve long since lost any right to being a state, there need to be regime change now.

    TheLotusEater725
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    Also, none of what has been going on right now lately would have happened if Hamas wouldn’t have opened fire after israel opened the gaza strip. I mean here you had israel starting to co-operate and be a little nicer, and what do they do? They fucking shoot missiles into civillian homes. I’m not saying israel is innocent, israel has done their fair share of shitty things as well but they have not attacked unprovoked. remember those rubber bullets they were using against civillians? Yeah they had steel cores and were killing and paralyzing people)

    Moe
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    @Puulaahi: Simultaneously- These giant printing machines print more money for tax payers to spend…like 750 billion + more.
    …@thelotuseater725: Hitler printed money to buy weapons from britts to use on britts.

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @dieAntagonista:

    Well i’m not too surprised myself, there are a few people at my synagogue who don’t like Israel. Mostly because of the way it was formed. And quite frankly i do agree with these people you posted ( albeit to a certain extent)

    Puulaahi
    Member

    According to the stupid ass Military Channel, Isreal is leading the way in weopons technology. So they can take care of themselves. Not to mention the arms they likely buy from the ol US of A. In Humas defense, they seem to be the only ones fighting to defend the Palestinians. Everyone to blame.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    I want to open a strip club called The Gaza Strip.

    Plus the way it goes be: Israel was picked as the Jewish holy land and the hardcore dradle spinners want them out because the real messiah won’t come if they’re in the wrong place or some such shit.

    Crazy stupid pricks. America should take the whole region over and make each of them go sit in the corner.

    Puulaahi
    Member

    Yeah we can build a giant military base there and have our aircraft fly figure eights over said Muslim dictatoships for fun. Plus build tons of Mcdonalds around the said area to spread freedom fries.

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @dieAntagonista: hnn.us/articles/751.html I think this article might interest you. It’sa brief history lesson on israel and covers things like american jews being opposed to israel and to a lesser extent zionism.

    Goldfinger
    Member

    Blah. They should have kept Palestine british. ‘though I fear that wouldn’t have changed anything, either – it would have been Arabs against Brits by now. Fuckin’ territorial demands. Haven’t we learnt what that Lebensraum bullshit leads to?

    #makecasemdsgreatagain
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    Hail Hitler.

    JamesTuskGeorge
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    @thelotuseater725: And Hamas wouldn’t be firing rockets if Israel hadn’t herded them onto a reservation to live as slaves on meager handouts until they die out.

    Puulaahi
    Member

    Joint leadership
    No fucking walls
    And a split synagogue/mosque on the holyest of holy spot.
    Give each sides weopons to China to upset the whole world.

    PROBLEM SOLVED

    The redistribution of land is bit of a problem though.

    Puulaahi
    Member

    @dieAntagonista: “following only some of their teachings, and completely ignoring others strikes me as absurd.” Same goes for any religion.

    TheLotusEater725
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    @JamesTuskGeorge:

    And the palestinian’s would be just fine if they had accepted the UN’s offer of becoming Israeli citizens. The jews and “palestinians”were living together just fine before the formation of israel.

    Moe
    Member

    @JamesTuskGeorge: In America we call them Mormans… didn’t work out though..

    Moe
    Member

    In that “Sliders” show way back- the one where what IF Hitler had won the world- the show portrayed it dark and evil- but i beleive it would have been quite different- cuz Hitler would have killed all religions excpt his own… One world order. Hail Hitler.@nobody knows: a wise pupil.

    JamesTuskGeorge
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    @thelotuseater725: “Citizens”, under an apartheid government. Yeah, that worked really well in South Africa. Curse those Palestinians for rejecting an offer to be second class humans in their own land.

    bloth
    Member

    Most intelligent conversation I’ve seen here yet! kutgw

    #makecasemdsgreatagain
    Member

    @Flappycunt:
    I am a black jew.

    Moe
    Member

    @nobody knows: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gRh5rd3Lss

    Conformity is SO COOL! I want to look like a jew too. One last time- Religion is AWSOME.

    TheLotusEater725
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    @dieAntagonista: honestly i don’t know what to think. The Torah is a very complex book seemingly filled with contradiction and redundancy. The whole point of the form of Judaism i align myself with is to weed out all the “bullshit” ( for lack of a better term) without being blasphemous to god. It’s fairly easy to do once you realize that though the torah may be inspired or the direct words of god it was penned by humans. Humans who are capable of cherry picking and “editing” the information that they see as appropriate. And then there is the question… Read more »

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
    Member

    Whoever blows me first gets the land.

    GO

    JamesTuskGeorge
    Member

    @thelotuseater725: I think I love you. Are you petite and willing to have my children?

    #makecasemdsgreatagain
    Member

    @mAgnUS BUTTfoorson:
    does shoting you count?

    TheLotusEater725
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    @JamesTuskGeorge: Here are a couple of quotes from wikipedia “Israel is not an apartheid state — rather the opposite, it is easily the most democratic and politically egalitarian state in the Middle East, in which Arabs Israelis enjoy far more freedom, better social services, etc. than in all the Arab states surrounding it. Indeed, Arab representatives in the Knesset, who continuously call for dismantling the Jewish state, support the Hezbollah, etc., enjoy more freedom than many Western democracies give their internal Oppositions. (The U.S. would prosecute and jail Congressmen calling for the overthrow of the U.S. Govt. or the demise… Read more »

    JamesTuskGeorge
    Member

    I suggest you don’t spout wikipedia as a credible site, or propaganda as reasearch, but I doubt you’ll stop.

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @dieAntagonista: Well it depends really, There is a lot of debate about whether or not israel should be a nation. I can’t provide any references so i take no offense if you do not believe me. But, from what i recall from a conversation from a rabbi oh so many years ago was that there wasn’t any solid biblical evidence for either the existence or non existence of israel. In other words the words are too vague to concretely say ” yes it says clearly that israel is to be an actual nation for the jews” Or to reversely say… Read more »

    Moe
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    @dieAntagonista: Good advice- considering I’m the one who’s contributing “shamanistic ways with amanita muscaria invoked red and white Santa Claus” to wikipedia.

    #makecasemdsgreatagain
    Member

    @Flappycunt:
    Santa is a nazi,he gave shit.
    Shit FTW?
    What coal to fucking expensive?

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @JamesTuskGeorge:

    And i suggest you pull your head out of your ass and actually present ANY evidence. At least i can back myself up, and when i can’t i flat out say so. But hey i am sure your atheist/muslim/whatever the fuck you believe, is just as objectionable as any evidence i have. Fuck off, the adults are talking.

    flex
    Member

    The people of Palestine would be far better off if they accepted the offer of becoming Israeli citizens. However, how would you (as an American citizen) react if 6 million Russians/Africans/Arabs arrived overnight and set up camp somewhere between New York and Los Angeles? My guess is you wouldn’t be too happy. Israelis have a valid claim to (some of) the land, as do the Palestinians. However, the Palestinians have been chillin’ on the [Gaza] Strip for a long, long time and are understandably loathe to relinquish land they have lived on for millennia. WWII was horrific, and the stomach-turning… Read more »

    JamesTuskGeorge
    Member

    @dieAntagonista: The wikipedia quote comes from Benny Morris, a Jewish Zionist who thinks that Ben Gurion’s failing was in only achieving a partial eradication of Palestinians. He is not, by any means, a balanced and credible source. Second quote comes from a great man, but one who had first hand experience of life under apartheid in South Africa and for whom no other situation will ever be as tragic as he will only ever read of it, not experience it. If he were living in Gaza now he might well say it was as bad as SA 2 decades ago,… Read more »

    JamesTuskGeorge
    Member

    @thelotuseater725: Bring on the personal insults, I accept them as your intellectual surrender.

    #makecasemdsgreatagain
    Member

    @JamesTuskGeorge:
    V sI A assBumD”

    flex
    Member

    Guise, we really need to stop arguing over this. If you have family affected by this, my only advice is to get them somewhere where their life isn’t threatened. This doesn’t constitute surrender or anything like that. If they have the money to leave, GTFO immediately and start over. It’s not a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of intellect. Why live in a war zone when no-one’s forcing you to?

    Moe
    Member

    @flex: smart- but ur on mcs- and i wouldn’t mind if a bunch of russians/arabs/… wait …Africans? um.. missed that one didn’t you.

    #makecasemdsgreatagain
    Member

    @Flappycunt:
    Dude WTF I am russian arab whit a hint of black.

    Moe
    Member

    so im fucking this guy in the ass, he reaches back and grabs my nutsack! i’m like,”this dudes the biggest fag i’ve ever met!”

    @nobody knows: No SHIT? ME TOO! We’re BROTHERS!!!Eagle River?

    rattybad
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    @flex (and whomever’s posts I’ve skipped): While it makes sense to us to say “GFTO of the war zone” *because that would make sense*, it’s not an issue of sense but of pride, tradition, long-standing grudges and principles. I have a friend (hopefully have, not had…depending on where he is right now) who is Palestinian, with a wife and about 10 kids, and I asked him why he didn’t just move, or live peacefully with the Israelis. His answer was simply that Palestine is his home. I argued that “home is where you hang your hat,” used America as an… Read more »

    #makecasemdsgreatagain
    Member

    @Flappycunt:
    Holy shit.
    Theres no fucking way.
    You got fucking die.
    There can only be one.

    the3g_ipwn
    Member

    @rattybad: That makes him a fucking moron. Nothing else.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
    Member

    @nobody knows:

    Shoting me?

    Way to typo, typo.

    You typo like a typo with a severe case of typo A typo.

    This thread is long and interesting. But without an ending why persist?

    Somehow I think the whole situation could be fixed with titties. Nobody is mad looking at titties.

    #makecasemdsgreatagain
    Member

    @mAgnUS BUTTfoorson:
    what about Tiki?
    He’s you know……..a dicksucker.

    tiki god
    Admin

    @nobody knows:
    don’t you dare bring me into this insanity

    #makecasemdsgreatagain
    Member

    @tiki god:
    Dude just did.
    You made a comment.
    Your going down with the rest of us.

    rattybad
    Member

    @the3g_ipwn

    Didn’t say it was logical; in fact I said it wasn’t. But I didn’t notice a mass exodus out of New York City after 9/11, either. Not quite the same thing, I know, but on some level people will put up with a lot of shit to stay put. That might be illogical, even moronic, but my friend over there was anything but either of those; he’s a Ph.D. and a professor there, just very adamant that he shouldn’t have to leave his home. I’d call it principled, too.

    bytehead
    Member

    What’s this got to do about the Matrix?

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @dieAntagonista: Hmm i concede your point there. I have been flipping through the old testament with my dad and so far on our end we haven’t really seen anything that suggests israel is not supposed to be a nation, at least biblically speaking. But the points nkuk.org/ bring up certainly are interesting and are most likely with merit. It’s a very interesting idea, and i must admit i am inclined to agree with them. The only issue i have with it is that this is: They are assuming that jesus wasn’t the messiah. Now for my own kooky reasons i… Read more »

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
    Member

    @bytehead:

    You win.
    You win The Gaza Strip.

    Billy Manic
    Member

    This strikes me as odd. Jews are known for their wittiness, yet they’re carrying incredibly descriptive protest signs without a single witty saying! I call shenanigans on this shit.

    nyoki
    Member

    Just so I can get email and not have to read 20 posts at once.

    Thank you. Carry on.

    nyoki
    Member
    JamesTuskGeorge
    Member

    You want evidence for the accusation of Israel being an apartheid state? There are huge walls right through the middle partioning off the bulk of Arab habitation from Jewish. It has been ruled illegal under international law by the International Court of Justice [1] who term it a “racial segregation wall” that’s some pretty strong evidence, enforced racial segregation is apatheid. Hell, you can even see the walls on google earth. The checkpoints, the road blocks, the lack of freedom of movement for Arabs, the lack of right to work in the army for those born Arab, this is racial… Read more »

    gardenpep
    Member
    gardenpep

    Apartheid is a term. The fact is that there is severe bullying going on in Israel. Plus the fact that the wall doesn’t really follow the exact borders that were once set, but sometimes goes a few miles into Palestine territory to include a well into Israeli territory. That being said, Israel has done much good for the watersupplies of the Palestine population, like building more effective wells and stuff. A downside to this is that Israel has most of the control over the watersupplying in those areas. So… yeah there are always 2 sides. Like the fact that a… Read more »

    KommissarKvC
    Member

    @mAgnUS BUTTfoorson:
    america telling israel what to do would be like a ventriloquist dummy putting its hand into the back of the ventriloquist and making him do things

    nyoki
    Member

    @JamesTuskGeorge: Are these the same kind of walls that we built in Iraq? Are we still trying to build a big wall along our Mexican border? Unless you’re China, walls don’t help.

    JamesTuskGeorge
    Member

    @nyokki: A big wall is a big wall, but yeah, they’re very similar, expect that the Israeli one is higher and better built (with US tax money).

    However, all is not totaly grim, a huge wall is a great cavass for graffiti, and there is some quality art there.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
    Member

    @KommissarKvC:

    Oh ya. I forgot about the jewish lobbiest lynch mob walking around Washington.



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