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		<title>By: Destro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Destro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ieattime: thanks for taking the time to respond, I have a better understanding of what&#039;s got everyone up in arms, the media has such a liberal bias that it makes me nervous to trust what they say, not that right-wing sources are any less biased but it seems to me they are currently the underdog. Bush and co. might be crooked conservative politicians, But that doesn&#039;t make REASONABLE conservative values illegitimate, I&#039;ve said elsewhere that I&#039;m all for social responsibility but there must be a balance between ideals and practicality (I&#039;m not implying you&#039;ve stated differently these are simply my thoughts).
I guess my main fear is that the actions of one set of criminals might sweep a righteously indignant america into the arms of rival corrupt politicians who play on our hopes and dreams of something different.
But it would be seriously disheartening to think that there is no-one left with the strength of character to put the needs of our nation before their career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ieattime: thanks for taking the time to respond, I have a better understanding of what&#8217;s got everyone up in arms, the media has such a liberal bias that it makes me nervous to trust what they say, not that right-wing sources are any less biased but it seems to me they are currently the underdog. Bush and co. might be crooked conservative politicians, But that doesn&#8217;t make REASONABLE conservative values illegitimate, I&#8217;ve said elsewhere that I&#8217;m all for social responsibility but there must be a balance between ideals and practicality (I&#8217;m not implying you&#8217;ve stated differently these are simply my thoughts).<br />
I guess my main fear is that the actions of one set of criminals might sweep a righteously indignant america into the arms of rival corrupt politicians who play on our hopes and dreams of something different.<br />
But it would be seriously disheartening to think that there is no-one left with the strength of character to put the needs of our nation before their career.</p>
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		<title>By: garbledxmission</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr.Evil, you really are an unmitigated ass.  And quit trying to misquote me or make false claims.  It makes you look sloppy and trying to twist the facts to justify your obviously biased mindset.
&quot;The Bill of Rights has been gutted? How are you able to post your comments online when Free Speech no longer exists? YouÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re so brave to speak truth to power.&quot;
It has been.  Read the so called Patriot Act if you don&#039;t think personal freedoms and rights to privacy have been curtailed in the US.  I can post online, but I can also guarentee you that someone is monitoring our online activity through the ISP.  Bravery has nothing to do with it.  If I was making comments or spreading sedition I&#039;m sure at the very least I&#039;d be coming under investigation by H.S.  Quit making facetious comments that don&#039;t actually mean a damn thing.  Your angst is showing.  
&quot; The Geneva Conventions allows for the execution of illegal combatants, but I guess non-American citizens operating outside of the territory of the US should be granted Constitutional rights.&quot;
I never said a thing about execution of combatants.  I mentioned illegal torture which is FORBIDDEN by the Geneva Convention.  I also mentioned indefinite imprisoning of individuals without trial.  Two things that the current administration openly supports.  And while non-Americans operating outside of US territory should not be granted Constitutional rights, they are subject to the Geneva Convention.  Plus, the instant the US uses terrorist type tactics, they become no better than those they would fight.  Talk about gaining the world at the cost of one&#039;s soul...But hey, you keep trying to put words in my mouth and look like an ass while doing it.  
&quot;I feel so guilty about all those poor German and Japanese soldeirs we killed and detained without reading them their Miranda Rights.&quot;
I could start about mixing metaphors but it&#039;d probably go right over your narrow little mind.  I will mention all the German and Japanese US citizens that were detained and put in camps where they were mistreated with no due process when there was little to no threat from them, that Miranda Rights have nothing to do with military combatants regardless of when they were created and that many soldiers from the Axis Powers were put on trial/military tribunals and who gives a crap about soldiers killed in combat? In case you forgot, the US DID apologize to Japan for dropping two atomic weapons on civilian targets.  Also you can&#039;t spell but where would that leave you?  Oh yeah, with no legs to stand on.  
Did I &quot;get back&quot; to you well enough?  I blew apart all your arguments including the ones where you tried to misrepresent me and did it without any bias.  All I stated above is fact and on record.  Not that I expect to change your narrow little mind.  You&#039;ve got your cozy little world full of fear, ignorance, paranoia and blind faith.  Keep regurgitating the party propaganda and have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr.Evil, you really are an unmitigated ass.  And quit trying to misquote me or make false claims.  It makes you look sloppy and trying to twist the facts to justify your obviously biased mindset.<br />
&#8220;The Bill of Rights has been gutted? How are you able to post your comments online when Free Speech no longer exists? YouÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re so brave to speak truth to power.&#8221;<br />
It has been.  Read the so called Patriot Act if you don&#8217;t think personal freedoms and rights to privacy have been curtailed in the US.  I can post online, but I can also guarentee you that someone is monitoring our online activity through the ISP.  Bravery has nothing to do with it.  If I was making comments or spreading sedition I&#8217;m sure at the very least I&#8217;d be coming under investigation by H.S.  Quit making facetious comments that don&#8217;t actually mean a damn thing.  Your angst is showing.<br />
&#8221; The Geneva Conventions allows for the execution of illegal combatants, but I guess non-American citizens operating outside of the territory of the US should be granted Constitutional rights.&#8221;<br />
I never said a thing about execution of combatants.  I mentioned illegal torture which is FORBIDDEN by the Geneva Convention.  I also mentioned indefinite imprisoning of individuals without trial.  Two things that the current administration openly supports.  And while non-Americans operating outside of US territory should not be granted Constitutional rights, they are subject to the Geneva Convention.  Plus, the instant the US uses terrorist type tactics, they become no better than those they would fight.  Talk about gaining the world at the cost of one&#8217;s soul&#8230;But hey, you keep trying to put words in my mouth and look like an ass while doing it.<br />
&#8220;I feel so guilty about all those poor German and Japanese soldeirs we killed and detained without reading them their Miranda Rights.&#8221;<br />
I could start about mixing metaphors but it&#8217;d probably go right over your narrow little mind.  I will mention all the German and Japanese US citizens that were detained and put in camps where they were mistreated with no due process when there was little to no threat from them, that Miranda Rights have nothing to do with military combatants regardless of when they were created and that many soldiers from the Axis Powers were put on trial/military tribunals and who gives a crap about soldiers killed in combat? In case you forgot, the US DID apologize to Japan for dropping two atomic weapons on civilian targets.  Also you can&#8217;t spell but where would that leave you?  Oh yeah, with no legs to stand on.<br />
Did I &#8220;get back&#8221; to you well enough?  I blew apart all your arguments including the ones where you tried to misrepresent me and did it without any bias.  All I stated above is fact and on record.  Not that I expect to change your narrow little mind.  You&#8217;ve got your cozy little world full of fear, ignorance, paranoia and blind faith.  Keep regurgitating the party propaganda and have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: ieattime20</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-165560&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Destro&lt;/a&gt;: Mortgage crap wasn&#039;t born of only a Democratic watch, but Barney Frank certainly contributed. As well as poor economic policy under both party&#039;s watch.

Nothing is done about it presumably because Bush had a habit of firing people who didn&#039;t do what he said. Rather, Bush and Cheney and co. did, hence, the BushCheneyco. talk you hear around here. The Supreme Court justices were rearranged to be almost majority Republican (which is a weird thing to say about the Supreme Court--disturbing) and the executive branch, ostensibly the branch that handles indictment and incarceration as well as bringing cases to the Justice System, was also under his control and showed elements of favoritism.

It&#039;s not a conspiracy. Everyone knows what&#039;s going on. It&#039;s just that the people who could do anything about it also know what&#039;s going on, and are sitting comfortably in the pockets of certain interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-165560" rel="nofollow">Destro</a>: Mortgage crap wasn&#8217;t born of only a Democratic watch, but Barney Frank certainly contributed. As well as poor economic policy under both party&#8217;s watch.</p>
<p>Nothing is done about it presumably because Bush had a habit of firing people who didn&#8217;t do what he said. Rather, Bush and Cheney and co. did, hence, the BushCheneyco. talk you hear around here. The Supreme Court justices were rearranged to be almost majority Republican (which is a weird thing to say about the Supreme Court&#8211;disturbing) and the executive branch, ostensibly the branch that handles indictment and incarceration as well as bringing cases to the Justice System, was also under his control and showed elements of favoritism.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a conspiracy. Everyone knows what&#8217;s going on. It&#8217;s just that the people who could do anything about it also know what&#8217;s going on, and are sitting comfortably in the pockets of certain interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Destro</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Obama is American and I hope he becomes a historic president (based on his policies and not the novelty of his mixed ethnicity).
But....
If this Rove guy is a criminal,  wouldn&#039;t something have been done about it? 
If nothing IS done about it, doesn&#039;t that smack of Conspiracy?

This guy isn&#039;t taking any official heat, either because he&#039;s not really responsible for a prosecutable offense, or because he&#039;s being protected by powerful friends.
Which conspiracy theory works the best?
I&#039;m not trying to defend Rove,
Armitage is more of an American than Rove will ever be, and he was supposedly the leaker.
But these are some serious crimes that the public believe the current conservative govt. commited in the name of money.
If there is ample evidence why is nothing done about it?
Maybe it&#039;s a conspiracy.
I don&#039;t believe the system is flawed, it&#039;s the people WE choose to run it.
Don&#039;t forget this mortgage crap going on was born on a Democrats watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Obama is American and I hope he becomes a historic president (based on his policies and not the novelty of his mixed ethnicity).<br />
But&#8230;.<br />
If this Rove guy is a criminal,  wouldn&#8217;t something have been done about it?<br />
If nothing IS done about it, doesn&#8217;t that smack of Conspiracy?</p>
<p>This guy isn&#8217;t taking any official heat, either because he&#8217;s not really responsible for a prosecutable offense, or because he&#8217;s being protected by powerful friends.<br />
Which conspiracy theory works the best?<br />
I&#8217;m not trying to defend Rove,<br />
Armitage is more of an American than Rove will ever be, and he was supposedly the leaker.<br />
But these are some serious crimes that the public believe the current conservative govt. commited in the name of money.<br />
If there is ample evidence why is nothing done about it?<br />
Maybe it&#8217;s a conspiracy.<br />
I don&#8217;t believe the system is flawed, it&#8217;s the people WE choose to run it.<br />
Don&#8217;t forget this mortgage crap going on was born on a Democrats watch.</p>
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		<title>By: ieattime20</title>
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		<dc:creator>ieattime20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would never suggest that Democrats don&#039;t behave in a corrupt manner or above the law. See Barney Frank.

I&#039;m merely remarking that this malicious rumor about Obama&#039;s citizenship is, by all authoratative sources, just that: a rumor. Citizenship is indeed cut-and-dry, you are a citizen or you aren&#039;t. But the proving requirements can be subject to doubt. Unfortunately for the Conservative Rumor Mill, all the evidence is on the side of him being a citizen, which is why the Supreme Court (majority conservative at this point, need I remind you) hasn&#039;t ruled his elect status unconstitutional. The burden of proof is on the negative: On what grounds do you dispute his citizenship? Nothing but doubt and distrust of authoratative documents? Not good enough.

To continue believing he is not a citizen when all of the necessary divisions of the government have confirmed it is to lend creedence to nothing but conspiracy theories. If the government says he is a citizen, then he is a citizen, for it is the government that determines that status. End of story.

The fact that neither Carl Rove nor anyone else has been indicted on a treason charge is troublesome because there was indeed a crime committed, definitely, without a doubt (a CIA&#039;s cover blown by a public figure), but the law is not pursuing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would never suggest that Democrats don&#8217;t behave in a corrupt manner or above the law. See Barney Frank.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m merely remarking that this malicious rumor about Obama&#8217;s citizenship is, by all authoratative sources, just that: a rumor. Citizenship is indeed cut-and-dry, you are a citizen or you aren&#8217;t. But the proving requirements can be subject to doubt. Unfortunately for the Conservative Rumor Mill, all the evidence is on the side of him being a citizen, which is why the Supreme Court (majority conservative at this point, need I remind you) hasn&#8217;t ruled his elect status unconstitutional. The burden of proof is on the negative: On what grounds do you dispute his citizenship? Nothing but doubt and distrust of authoratative documents? Not good enough.</p>
<p>To continue believing he is not a citizen when all of the necessary divisions of the government have confirmed it is to lend creedence to nothing but conspiracy theories. If the government says he is a citizen, then he is a citizen, for it is the government that determines that status. End of story.</p>
<p>The fact that neither Carl Rove nor anyone else has been indicted on a treason charge is troublesome because there was indeed a crime committed, definitely, without a doubt (a CIA&#8217;s cover blown by a public figure), but the law is not pursuing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Destro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Destro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unless the supreme court had a reason not to look into it.
If I am misinformed which I could be, but so could you 
(How can you fully trust any corporate news source or their local affiliates?)
If I am misinformed then how can it still be an issue?
Seems cut and dried either you are or you aren&#039;t a citizen. No need for Hawaiian govt. to seal any records.
I never said he wasn&#039;t a citizen, just that there is currently behavior on the part of certain govt. officials which seems suspicious, thereby creating a modicum of doubt in my mind.
If according to liberal thinking carl rove is a criminal that is getting away with his crimes(making him above the law) then why should anyone believe that democratic candidates will behave any differently, and accordingly break the law to achieve their goals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unless the supreme court had a reason not to look into it.<br />
If I am misinformed which I could be, but so could you<br />
(How can you fully trust any corporate news source or their local affiliates?)<br />
If I am misinformed then how can it still be an issue?<br />
Seems cut and dried either you are or you aren&#8217;t a citizen. No need for Hawaiian govt. to seal any records.<br />
I never said he wasn&#8217;t a citizen, just that there is currently behavior on the part of certain govt. officials which seems suspicious, thereby creating a modicum of doubt in my mind.<br />
If according to liberal thinking carl rove is a criminal that is getting away with his crimes(making him above the law) then why should anyone believe that democratic candidates will behave any differently, and accordingly break the law to achieve their goals?</p>
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		<title>By: ieattime20</title>
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		<dc:creator>ieattime20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my god. My god. Seriously? Do you research anything? Look, conservative news sources are not all bad, but you HAVE to look at both sources to get an unbiased view of an event or story. Do a quick search for &quot;Fact Check&quot; obama &quot;birth certificate&quot; to find an article on factcheck.org that cites several nonpartisian sources for analyzing Obama&#039;s birth certificate and determining that he is in fact an American citizen. Unless you&#039;re one of those people who still is convinced that he&#039;s Muslim or that he hates white people.

McCain was also born outside of the country, but on a military base, making him a US Citizen as well. Both candidates are eligable for the presidency, otherwise the Supreme Court would have ruled their candidacy unconstitutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god. My god. Seriously? Do you research anything? Look, conservative news sources are not all bad, but you HAVE to look at both sources to get an unbiased view of an event or story. Do a quick search for &#8220;Fact Check&#8221; obama &#8220;birth certificate&#8221; to find an article on <a href="http://factcheck.org" class="autohyperlink" title="http://factcheck.org" target="_blank">factcheck.org</a> that cites several nonpartisian sources for analyzing Obama&#8217;s birth certificate and determining that he is in fact an American citizen. Unless you&#8217;re one of those people who still is convinced that he&#8217;s Muslim or that he hates white people.</p>
<p>McCain was also born outside of the country, but on a military base, making him a US Citizen as well. Both candidates are eligable for the presidency, otherwise the Supreme Court would have ruled their candidacy unconstitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: Destro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Destro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t forget there is a very good chance that Obama was born in kenya, If he&#039;s an american citizen then why not prove it? and if he is not an american citizen then i think that there are some liberals in the american govt. that ought to stand trial alongside rove for being just as corrupt as the conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t forget there is a very good chance that Obama was born in kenya, If he&#8217;s an american citizen then why not prove it? and if he is not an american citizen then i think that there are some liberals in the american govt. that ought to stand trial alongside rove for being just as corrupt as the conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: FlyingMantisShrimp</title>
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		<dc:creator>FlyingMantisShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush &amp; Co. can&#039;t be THAT bad, can they? I mean, after all, if they really were as borderline fascist as so many people claim, then surely the American people would have done something about it, right?

If you&#039;re looking to blame somebody for what&#039;s going on in America right now, look in the mirror. The fact of the matter is, not one of you probably did anything more than get on the Internet and start some late-night rant about how evil Republicans are. If the American people are being oppressed like so many of you claim, it&#039;s because you, the American person, is allowing it to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush &amp; Co. can&#8217;t be THAT bad, can they? I mean, after all, if they really were as borderline fascist as so many people claim, then surely the American people would have done something about it, right?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking to blame somebody for what&#8217;s going on in America right now, look in the mirror. The fact of the matter is, not one of you probably did anything more than get on the Internet and start some late-night rant about how evil Republicans are. If the American people are being oppressed like so many of you claim, it&#8217;s because you, the American person, is allowing it to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: DrEvil</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrEvil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>garbled,

Generalities don&#039;t make a convincing argument.  No specific examples of lies and no actual proof.

The Bill of Rights has been gutted?  How are you able to post your comments online when Free Speech no longer exists?  You&#039;re so brave to speak truth to power.

The Geneva Conventions allows for the execution of illegal combatants, but I guess non-American citizens operating outside of the territory of the US should be granted Constitutional rights.  I feel so guilty about all those poor German and Japanese soldeirs we killed and detained without reading them their Miranda Rights.  Hopefully, we&#039;ll apologize for that before too soon.  Yes, I know Miranda came out after WWII.

Get back to me when you have something besides your own biased opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>garbled,</p>
<p>Generalities don&#8217;t make a convincing argument.  No specific examples of lies and no actual proof.</p>
<p>The Bill of Rights has been gutted?  How are you able to post your comments online when Free Speech no longer exists?  You&#8217;re so brave to speak truth to power.</p>
<p>The Geneva Conventions allows for the execution of illegal combatants, but I guess non-American citizens operating outside of the territory of the US should be granted Constitutional rights.  I feel so guilty about all those poor German and Japanese soldeirs we killed and detained without reading them their Miranda Rights.  Hopefully, we&#8217;ll apologize for that before too soon.  Yes, I know Miranda came out after WWII.</p>
<p>Get back to me when you have something besides your own biased opinions.</p>
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