Why carry a gun?

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    1. yes because shooting my loud obnoxious neighbors and their dog is a whole lot better

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    2. 1) Paranoid insecurity. “Everyone else in the world wants to kill & rape me, help!”

      2) Enforcing your opinion, right or wrong, is always easier with violence.

      3) If you rob a guy, and he has a gun, then you’re going to want one, too.

      4) Small penis.

      (Joking around… I’m willing to bet my aim is better than 95% of the people on this site).

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    3. Guns aren’t the root of any problem. People are.
      I think people who want to own a guy and carry it around for whatever reason, should have to go through a psychological evaluation at least once a year. If they would make a law like that, it would solve a bunch of problems with guns. I mean people.

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    4. @dieAntagonista: We as a culture, seem to have this nasty habit of trying to fix problems by applying symptom mitigation, rather resolving the core issues.

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    5. Because you might shoot someone not in self defense, not pass go and go directly to jail.

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    6. @Phyreblade: Absolutely.

      @dieAntagonista:
      ROFL. Sorry I’m a little tipsy. people who want to own a gun*

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    7. @dieAntagonista: So is that why you are single, couldn’t get past the exam?(joking. I have apparently found where the rum has all gone)

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    8. @Puulaahi : And don’t forget, do not collect $200.

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    9. @Puulaahi: Cheap red wine. As a poor student it’s the only choice.

      @SumoSnipe:
      Tehee.. well I can’t deny it, I am quite possessive. And I guess those contracts I carry around, where I demand that new acquaintances have to sign with their blood that their souls belong to me now – seem probably a little daunting too.

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    10. @dieAntagonista: Poor college student here. Pity party not required.

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    11. @Puulaahi:
      Haha, pity party? Man, drinking cheap alcohol is like a culture of its own, a philosophy if you will.
      You take something that is linked to rich people, only of much worse quality but with the same effect.
      Distilled sugar, as I like to call it, is very dear to my heart. Right after zombies. See, another example. Zombies = cheap version of Jesus.
      Don’t get me wrong, expensive alcohol is excellent too, but I feel like the richest woman in the world when I drink cheap alcohol. It’s like stealing time.

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    12. @dieAntagonista: Pro-tip, if you buy cheap vodka and run it through a charcoal water filter, it becomes high quality vodka. Also, brewing your own is a way to have great beer for the price of crap beer.

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    13. @reboot: What! If it is what I think it is, I actually have one. I’m going to try this out, it better not kill me or something. It’s almost like alchemy of some kind.
      Yeah I have a friend who brews his own beer, but it’s not for me. I’ve got a very weak stomach, 3 glasses of wine are enough and I’m as drunk as can be. 1 glass of beer on the other hand, is enough to just make me throw up.

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    15. My father was killed by a gun that he had bought for protection.
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      Self-Defense: The Great Myth of America’s Gun Industry
      www.consumerfed.org/pdfs/self_defense.pdf.

      Guns have long been seen as tools of self-defense in the United States. But, contrary to gun industry hype, unintended consequences often happen when people buy guns for self-defense. Studies by public health professionals have repeatedly found that having a gun around for any reason increases the likelihood that a family member—as opposed to a criminal—will be injured or killed with a gun. A 1997 American Journal of Public Health study showed that family members that had a history of buying a handgun from a licensed dealer were twice as likely to die in a suicide or homicide as were persons similarly situated who had no such family history of gun purchase. This increased risk persisted for more than five years after the handgun was purchased.

      Other studies have looked specifically at the more narrow question of keeping guns in the home for self-defense. One, published in The New England Journal of Medicine, found that having a gun in the home made it nearly three times more likely that someone in the family will be killed. This risk isparticularly high for women, who are more likely to be killed by a spouse, intimate acquaintance, or close relative. An Archives of Internal Medicine study found that, with one or more guns in the home,the risk of suicide among women increased nearly five times and the risk of homicide increased more than three times.

      These and other studies have documented repeatedly the enhanced risk that comes from bringing a gun into the home. Even the gun press admits the risk in unguarded moments. Describing the demise of so-called “lintel guns,” firearms hung over the door ready for immediate action in frontier times, Shooting Sports Retailer noted:

      “Today, guns in a home used for self protection are not hung over the door but are more likely in a desk drawer or beside the bed in a night stand. When a child is hurt in a firearm accident it is often the self defense gun that was found, played with, and ultimately fired by the youngster.”

      But how often do people use guns successfully to protect themselves from criminal acts? Does it justify the deaths and damage that comes with guns? Apparently not. Most studies have found that guns play a relatively minor role in preventing crime but a major role in facilitating it. For example, the US Department of Justice study found that, on the average, between 1987 and 1992 only one percent of actual or attempted victims of violent crime, or about 62,000 people, attempted to defend themselves with a firearm. On the other hand, criminals armed with handguns committed a record 931,000 violent crimes in 1992. Data from the FBI’s Crime in the United States reveals that for every time in 1998 that a civilian used a handgun to kill in self-defense, 50 people lost their lives in handgun homicides alone.

      One advocate of the value of handguns for self-defense is Gary Kleck, professor of criminology at Florida State University in Tallahassee. Kleck and his colleague Mark Gertz claim their survey research indicates that civilians use guns in self-defense up to 2.5 million times a year. Naturally enough, the NRA and the gun industry have widely cited Kleck’s work as proof of the value of owning a gun. But Dr. David Hemenway, a professor at Harvard’s School of Public Health, dissected the work of Kleck and Gertz in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, concluding that their survey contained ”a huge overestimation bias” and that their estimate is “highly exaggerated.” Hemenway applied Kleckand Gertz’s methodology to a 1994 ABC News/Washington Post survey in which people were asked if they had ever seen an alien spacecraft or come into direct contact with a space alien. He demonstrated that, by the application of Kleck and Gertz’s methodology, one would conclude that almost 20 million Americans have seen a spacecraft from another planet and more than a million have actually met space aliens.

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    16. @dusktime: Your father should have taken a saftey course. People who are shot by their own guns are idiots. Owning a firearm requires responsibility. You must become an expert in all matters concerning your firearm. Cleaning, loading/unloading, safe storage, ect. This should not only apply to the owner, but everyone in who could possibly come in contact with the firearm. As dieAntagonista said, guns aren’t the problem. People are. The moment that you lose respect for the fact that your firearm is a deadly weapon, is the moment in which accidents occour. One does not simply purchase a handgun, load it, throw it on the nightstand and pretend to be safe.
      I grew up around all sorts of firearms. I was around 8 when I first fired anything other than a pellet rifle. It was a Ruger 10/22. By 12, I had taken my first deer with my Winchester GoldenSpike 30-30. At 16, Georgia requires all who wish to hunt, take and pass a Safety Course. The most inportant lessons that can be learned are: 1. Muzzle Control. Never point the muzzle in the direction of anything you don’t want dead; 2. Treat every firearm as if it were loaded. Even if you yourself unloaded it, never think that you couldn’t have mistakenly left a round chambered.

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    17. @the3g_ipwn: Indeed.
      I do own several firearms. None of them were ever purchased for “self defense”. They are kept in a safe, behind a locked closet door.(I have too many smalls that visit to leave them out.)They are tools for the ranch. Now, if someone tried to break in? If you make it whole past the dogs and the piles of machinery waiting my attention, you will end up in a confined space with an angry shaved bear armed with a sledgehammer.

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    18. Thanks the3g_ipwn for calling my father an idiot when you know *nothing* about how it happened. *He* was an idiot?

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      • Opening with the tragedy item was supposed to make whatever you wrote next unassailable … and boy did you ever write. Personally I skipped it all. Brevity is courtesy.

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    19. Sounds like SumoSnipe’s confined space is better than Tiki’s confined space…Come on Tiki, keep up with the Jones’!

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    20. @dusktime: Since you don’t feel compelled to elaborately disprove my statement, I shall explain the logic behind mine.

      1. Suicide = Idiot(No expalnation necessary)

      2. Getting shot with your own gun by a home intruder. = Idiot(That’s why you buy the bullets)

      3. Accidentially shooting yourself while handling/cleaning your gun = Idiot(This is NOT what the bullets are for)

      4. Getting shot by someone who was allowed to handle your firearm, for any reason, without proper training = Idiot(It is your responsibility to secure your firearm)

      I apoligize if I seem uncaring or insensitive to your tragic situation. That is not my intention. I simply cannot think of a single scenerio in which the gun itself can be blamed for this incident

      I would like to refer you to the township of Kenesaw, GA. There you have to apply as a concientious objector to NOT maintain a working firearm in your home. Can you guess what the crime rate is there. <1%. Imagine how many people would attempt to rob, rape or burglarize if they KNEW that there was a firearm awaiting.

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    21. “US Department of Justice study found that, on the average, between 1987 and 1992 only one percent of actual or attempted victims of violent crime, or about 62,000 people, attempted to defend themselves with a firearm. On the other hand, criminals armed with handguns committed a record 931,000 violent crimes in 1992.”

      How is this supposed to be a legitimate comparison? All this is showing is that the victims of violent crime who have no control over what and when something happens didnt have a gun compared to the CRIMINALS who seek out to harm people that are able to better plan when they need a gun because they are the cause of the violence in the first place. That is such an awesome way to blame the gun when once again, it is the PEOPLE who are to blame, not the unsuspecting victims. Try telling those 62,000 people who didnt do anything wrong that guns are bad.

      The way I read this is just that more law abiding people need to be better prepared and carry a firearm more often, cuz you never know when something bad is going to happen, but the criminals do.

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    22. @the3g_ipwn: If I were going to burgle or rape, and I knew I would probably going to get shot, I’d just kill everyone in the house with a knife first.

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    23. I have a sickness, don’t judge me for grammar.

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    24. Ok, guns don’t kill people, that requires a person to use the gun. That means that the only possible ways to deal w/ people shooting people is to control the people or control the gun. I’d rather the gov’t controlled the gun.

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    25. @nyokki: Do you really think that the person who is about to rape and shoot( or shoot then rape as luke prefers)you, really gives a shit weather or not the gun is legal?

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    26. The problem is the person. Some people place a lesser value on human life. Some are just batshit crazy. In either case, it is the people which need to be controled. Remember, murder pre-dates the firearm by well over 2000 years.

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    27. @the3g_ipwn: Of course the criminal w/ a gun doesn’t care if it’s legal. I’m not a proponent of banning guns. I was just pointing out our only 2 options. You simply can’t control people, it’s impossible. You can control weapons (to some extent). Absolutely e1 one owns a gun where I live, robbery is rare, murder isn’t. What’s your suggestion?

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    28. D.C. under a ban of ALL handguns became the murder capital of America. Gun control doesn’t work. I know it’s been beaten to death, but the cliche “If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.” is simply fact. There should be tougher penalties for violent crimes. More use of capital punishment, as a deterrent. Used properly, the fear of death is a mighty form of persuasion. Lastly, gun ownership should be encouraged, not feared. Training courses should be supplied for anyone wishing to better defend themselves. Law enforcement can only do so much, and far too many times it arrives too late. Ultimately, your personal protection is your responsibility. It is the only PRO-active solution. As opposed to the current, RE-active measures.

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    29. @dusktime:
      I am sorry to hear about your father, however you, and many like you, seem to forget that a person has to be behind the trigger. No weapon can wield itself.

      Every time I read one of those things I’m reminded of an old quote:
      “He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts; for support, rather than illumination.” – Andrew Lang

      Your article comes to a lot of “truthy” conclusions based on highly flawed statistical interpretation. Even if the statistic are true, the conclusions are invalid. Not that there are no dangers to gun ownership, but the gun control lobby tends to use statistics like prosthetic legs.

      The conclusions drawn were akin to someone saying “People who own cars are 95% more likely to run out of gas on their way to work.” Even if it’s a true statistic, you still wouldn’t blame the car for that now, would you? It’s still the drivers fault.

      @LukeV1-5:
      Sounds like a plausible practice, however if you don’t know how many people are in the home you are about to burgle, or where the weapons are kept, or, for that matter, how many they have, I get the feeling you would think really long and hard about it before you would try it.

      And depending on how smart the occupants are, you may still not succeed. Either way, if you were desperate enough to do it anyway, no gun control laws would make the experience any better for the residents of that home. Maybe for the burglar though, it might.

      @nyokki:
      I cannot subscribe to that way of thinking. It does not solve any real problems. It does nothing to address *why* people are shooting other people? And even if the government could take every single gun off the street (which they clearly cannot) that would not stop the violence.

      I do not believe that control, of either people or weapons, is a solution. I think that it is, at best, a band aid used to cover a festering wound. When people become desperate, laws mean nothing to them. They cannot eat or drink them, and they do nothing to protect their loved ones.

      Without cultural/societal reform, control laws of any kind are largely empty, especially in the face of a desperate populace. But with them, these laws would be largely unnecessary.

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    30. “Paranoids are not paranoid because they’re paranoid, but because they keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately into paranoid situations.”

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    31. @the3g_ipwn:
      OK I apologise for droning on, but I missed you and Nyokkis last post while I was typing my thesis… 🙂

      I think the problem is we are focusing on the wrong things. The guns, in fact weapons in general, are only side issues. The real issue is people. We need to solve problems at a societal level.

      Yes, it’s a much bigger tougher problem, but if that isn’t worth the energy time and expense, then what is? We can either throw all our energies into improving that, or at stupid peripheral issues until the country goes to hell in a hand basket…

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    32. @Phyreblade: I agree with everything you said except your final point. America is the most abundant nation on Earth. The majority of criminals turn to violence out of lazieness rather than desparation. Choosing to rob rather than work. There is absolutely no excuse to kill another on the basis of survival in this country. If you’re starving, just walk into any supermarket and start fucking eating. Sure you may go to jail, but you will get out a hell of alot sooner. Mostly, people kill and steal for money, not food. To support drug habbits, not starving families.

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    33. It is not a set of laws that seperate criminals from the rest of us. Laws are in place to remind US who the criminals are. Desency separates us.

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    34. @the3g_ipwn: Money can go to food just as easily as to drugs, so without knowing the intentions of the one stealing or committing robbery you cannot make such sweeping statements about them.

      You cannot lump those who resort to crime in order to survive with those who are merely greedy, or supporting a drug habit. Not that I agree with either practice, but there is a big difference between the two.

      The ones who rob and steal absolutely do *not* want to go to jail. You talk about it as if it’s of no great consequence. But I assure you many would disagree. So simply walking into a store and eating, hoping not to go to jail is a nonstarter solution.

      You make the assumption that people who rob and steal must be lazy. Some probably are. But there are also those who aren’t. Some work multiple jobs and are still unable to pay the bills. Either way, a life of crime is not always an easy one either. I’m not sure you fully understand the kind of life that people who live that way lead.

      More importantly, I think you are missing the point. Even though America is the most abundant nation on earth, clearly something else is wrong, because people will still go to bed hungry tonight.

      The problem, as I see it that some people don’t know any better because they were never taught/shown/told how to do it any other way. We live in a a culture of laziness, self gratification and greed, that simultaneously glorifies individuality, all at the cost of the good morals and decency you speak so highly of.

      Yo are right, about laws being guides, not ethics. However what good are they when society at large doesn’t really know the difference? I recently read an article about the morality of kids in our high schools today. This survey showed that 30% of high school students steal. Over 60% cheat on their tests. But the real killer? 93% were satisfied with their personal ethics.

      Article is here, if you want to read it.
      www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/30/students-lie-cheat-steal_n_147253.html?page=2
      And these statistics, unlike the one above, need no interpretation.

      Now you tell me. How many of these kids do you think will think twice about picking up a gun if they think it will help them get through a tough life easier? And more importantly, where did their ethics/morals/sense of decency go?

      I think we are going about this all very, very, wrong…

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    35. @Phyreblade:
      “Now you tell me. How many of these kids do you think will think twice about picking up a gun if they think it will help them get through a tough life easier? And more importantly, where did their ethics/morals/sense of decency go?”
      Right out the the school’s front door with prayer, religion, and corperal punishment. Say what you will about religion,that’s another thread, but most all faiths, at their core, teach these morals and values that are increasingly lacking.
      I agree with you on many counts. You understand the problem so well, yet offer so few solutions. During this past election season, we heard so much from both parties about CHANGE. Now, call me old fasioned, but I remember thinking to myself, “These people are mad! It’s change that has gotten us into this mess.” No one is being held accountable for their their own self degredation. We keep lowering the standards for decency. Everyone is so damn sympathetic now-a-days that we actually believe that society, not the individual, is to blame for one’s wrong doing. So, we soften the consequences and blame ourselves. Meanwhile, there are plenty of people that go through hard times without turning to violent crimes. They must have some kind of super powers. Political correctness will kill this country. Everyone IS NOT equal. Everyone’s situation is different. The only way to fix that is communism and that only works on paper, not in practice.

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    36. @nyokki:
      @Phyreblade: I am thoroughly enjoying this healthy banter. Sadly, however, our thread will soon be relegated to page three. I will start a thread in the forum where we may more readily continue such a lively discussion. Care to join me?

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    37. CHILDREN & GUNS: A LETHAL COMBINATION (June 2005)
      www.bradycampaign.org/facts/factsheets/pdf/children.pdf

      In 2002, the most recent year for which data is available, nearly eight young people aged 19 and under were killed a day by a firearm in the United States[1]. Nearly 36 per day were non-fatally wounded.[2] The scourge of gun violence frequently attacks the most helpless members of our society – our children. Consider these facts…

      • In 2002, 1,830 children and teenagers were murdered with guns, 828 committed suicide with guns, and 167 died in unintentional shootings. A total of 2,893 young people were killed by firearms in the U.S., one every three hours. [3]

      • Each year from 1993 to 1997, gun murders were committed by 1,621 killers under the age of 18.[4]

      • In 2002, 82% of murder victims aged 13 to 19 years old were killed with a firearm.[5]

      • During 2002, 48% of all murders of those under age 18 in the U.S. involved firearms.[6]

      • Firearms are the second-leading cause of death (after motor vehicle accidents) for young people 19 and under in the U.S.[7]

      • The rate of firearm death of under 14-years-old is nearly 12 times higher in the U.S. than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.[8]

      • In 2002, for every child and teenager killed by a gun, more than four were estimated to be non-fatally wounded.[9]

      • From 1999 to 2002, firearms were responsible for 18% of injury deaths for Caucasian teens ages 13-19 in the United States, 51% of deaths for African-American teens, 32% of Hispanic teens, 17% of Native American/Alaska Native teens, and 20% of Asian/Pacific Islander teens.[10]

      • In a study of inner-city 7-year-olds and their exposure to violence, 75% of them reported hearing gun shots.[11]

      • “The firearm injury epidemic, due largely to handgun injuries, is 10 times larger than the polio epidemic of the first half of this century.”[12]

      June 2005

      Endnotes:
      1. WISQARS, Injury Mortality Reports, National Center for Injury Prevention and Control,
      Centers for Disease Control. webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html
      (hereafter Injury Mortality Reports).
      2. WISQARS, Nonfatal Injury Reports, National Center for Injury Prevention and Control,
      Centers for Disease Control. webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/nfirates2001.html
      (hereafter Nonfatal Injury Reports).
      3. WISQARS, Injury Mortality Reports.
      4. Supplemental Homicide Data from the FBI.
      5. WISQARS, Injury Mortality Reports.
      6. Ibid.
      7. WISQARS, Leading Causes of Death Reports, National Center for Injury Prevention and
      Control, Centers for Disease Control.
      webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html
      8. “Firearm-Related Death in 26 Industrialized Countries”, Morbidity and Mortality Weekly
      Report, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1997, 46(5): 101-105.
      9. WISQARS, Nonfatal Injury Reports.
      10. WISQARS, Injury Mortality Reports.
      11. Hallam Hurt, MD; Elsa Malmud, PhD; Nancy L. Brodsky, PhD; Joan Giannetta, BA,
      “Exposure to Violence: Psychological and Academic Correlates in Child Witnesses,”
      Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine, December 2001, Vol. 55, No. 12, pp.
      1351-1356.
      12. Christoffel, Katherine Kaufer, “Handguns and the Environments of Children”, Children’s
      Environments, 12(1), 1995, p. 42.

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    38. @dusktime: All you have done is prove my point. People who wish to bear arms should be more educated in firearm safety. All of your “facts” are results of idiots with guns.

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    39. BTW, take it to the forum. No one is going back 4 pages for a tl;dr thread.

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    40. @dusktime: After checking your link for endnote #7, I have come to the conclusion that no one age 15-19 of any race or gender should be allowed in a vehicle. The stats you quote- even if you add accidents,homicides and suicides by firearm together-add up to just over half that of death by car accident alone. Hunt down the extra deaths from motorcycle, truck, van and suicide by vehicle, it drops under half.
      A tragedy shaped your outlook on firearms. That I understand. If you don’t like them, don’t own one.

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    41. @the3g_ipwn: Aww come on we still go back to the moldy bible thread…noob question:what does tl;dr mean?

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    42. @Phyreblade: Not if I were psychotic.

      The chances are high!

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    43. i love how everyone just reads something on the internet and just copies it straight to the thread cause they want to sound intellegent rather than sound retarded because their own opinion doesnt seem to cut the mustard.

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