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		<title>By: vygramul</title>
		<link>http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2008/11/22/recycle-after-the-jo/comment-page-1/#comment-160294</link>
		<dc:creator>vygramul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If AI says the US tortures, people sing their praises.  If AI says China tortures, it&#039;s called propaganda.

Governments are like evil people: some are more evil than others.  Why do people have a need to create moral equivalency?  So that they can feel like fighting the US government (which is easy) is every bit as important and praiseworthy as fighting China&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If AI says the US tortures, people sing their praises.  If AI says China tortures, it&#8217;s called propaganda.</p>
<p>Governments are like evil people: some are more evil than others.  Why do people have a need to create moral equivalency?  So that they can feel like fighting the US government (which is easy) is every bit as important and praiseworthy as fighting China&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: nyokki</title>
		<link>http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2008/11/22/recycle-after-the-jo/comment-page-1/#comment-159894</link>
		<dc:creator>nyokki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-159887&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dieAntagonista&lt;/a&gt;: Sux, doesn&#039;t it. ;&lt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-159887" rel="nofollow">dieAntagonista</a>: Sux, doesn&#8217;t it. ;&lt;)</p>
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		<title>By: dieAntagonista</title>
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		<dc:creator>dieAntagonista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-159877&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nyokki&lt;/a&gt;: 
The idea of reincarnation takes away from the uniqueness of life. I can&#039;t explain to you how terrified I am by this. If this is the only life I have, and I should die not having realised this, and not having done everything that I would have done had I known this - I&#039;d die the saddest woman in the world. It would be a loss, so great, nobody can comprehend.

Yes I have no problem with them either, everybody is free to do what they want if it doesn&#039;t harm anybody. But my understanding is that it&#039;s not only all about doing good to them, it&#039;s also a lot about suffering. And children who are born in that culture never learn that you have your life in your own hands. I find that tragic. It&#039;s like amputating minds.
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In retrospect, I&#039;ve just discovered a flaw in my logic. Since I&#039;m so convinced this is the only life we have, they have every right to do what they think is right to them and their children even if they don&#039;t &#039;know&#039; it&#039;s the only life they have (if we&#039;re assuming I&#039;m right about life). 
I need to rethink this.
Bloody MCS making me doubt everything I thought was right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-159877" rel="nofollow">nyokki</a>:<br />
The idea of reincarnation takes away from the uniqueness of life. I can&#8217;t explain to you how terrified I am by this. If this is the only life I have, and I should die not having realised this, and not having done everything that I would have done had I known this &#8211; I&#8217;d die the saddest woman in the world. It would be a loss, so great, nobody can comprehend.</p>
<p>Yes I have no problem with them either, everybody is free to do what they want if it doesn&#8217;t harm anybody. But my understanding is that it&#8217;s not only all about doing good to them, it&#8217;s also a lot about suffering. And children who are born in that culture never learn that you have your life in your own hands. I find that tragic. It&#8217;s like amputating minds.<br />
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<p>In retrospect, I&#8217;ve just discovered a flaw in my logic. Since I&#8217;m so convinced this is the only life we have, they have every right to do what they think is right to them and their children even if they don&#8217;t &#8216;know&#8217; it&#8217;s the only life they have (if we&#8217;re assuming I&#8217;m right about life).<br />
I need to rethink this.<br />
Bloody MCS making me doubt everything I thought was right.</p>
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		<title>By: nyokki</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyokki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-159848&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dieAntagonista&lt;/a&gt;: What don&#039;t you like about the idea of reincarnation specifically?  They still care what happens in this life.  They still believe that to do good now helps in the next incarnation.  I have no more problem w/ them than I have w/ any other religion and other than that I think they&#039;re wrong (as I think w/ all religions), I&#039;m fine w/ what they want for themselves.  Any time superpowers try to gobble up smaller nearby nations, this sort of trouble happens.  People don&#039;t like the idea that &lt;i&gt;might makes right&lt;/i&gt;.  They will always rebel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-159848" rel="nofollow">dieAntagonista</a>: What don&#8217;t you like about the idea of reincarnation specifically?  They still care what happens in this life.  They still believe that to do good now helps in the next incarnation.  I have no more problem w/ them than I have w/ any other religion and other than that I think they&#8217;re wrong (as I think w/ all religions), I&#8217;m fine w/ what they want for themselves.  Any time superpowers try to gobble up smaller nearby nations, this sort of trouble happens.  People don&#8217;t like the idea that <i>might makes right</i>.  They will always rebel.</p>
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		<title>By: dieAntagonista</title>
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		<dc:creator>dieAntagonista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-159802&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sylvanish&lt;/a&gt;: 
I know that from an outsider point of view their religion seems perfectly peaceful and good.
I can see how their appearance makes you think, what&#039;s wrong with that?

Yes people who believe in hell and heaven are concerning as well, but at least Christians agree that this is the only life we have on this earth.
Buddhists on the other hand?
I&#039;m terrified by people who think this isn&#039;t the only life we have. Their way of life is peaceful and everything, but don&#039;t their children have a right to get everything out of their lives as well? 
I have in my mind this picture, of a Buddhist suffering, and another one telling him, it&#039;s ok he probably was an asshole in his past life. 

I respect how they treat other people, but I don&#039;t respect how they treat themselves and their children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-159802" rel="nofollow">sylvanish</a>:<br />
I know that from an outsider point of view their religion seems perfectly peaceful and good.<br />
I can see how their appearance makes you think, what&#8217;s wrong with that?</p>
<p>Yes people who believe in hell and heaven are concerning as well, but at least Christians agree that this is the only life we have on this earth.<br />
Buddhists on the other hand?<br />
I&#8217;m terrified by people who think this isn&#8217;t the only life we have. Their way of life is peaceful and everything, but don&#8217;t their children have a right to get everything out of their lives as well?<br />
I have in my mind this picture, of a Buddhist suffering, and another one telling him, it&#8217;s ok he probably was an asshole in his past life. </p>
<p>I respect how they treat other people, but I don&#8217;t respect how they treat themselves and their children.</p>
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		<title>By: dieAntagonista</title>
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		<dc:creator>dieAntagonista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-159779&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul_Is_Drunk&lt;/a&gt;: 
So when I write &#039;meh&#039; that means to you &#039;I&#039;m ok with China killing people&#039;? 
Look, I know what China is doing is wrong, but I don&#039;t think that theocracy will make anything better.
What do you mean by &#039;win&#039;? Haven&#039;t we talked about enough things for you to know that I&#039;m not trying to &#039;win&#039; anything? Gee. 

From what I&#039;ve seen Tibet hasn&#039;t been that peaceful. And I believe if they would stop trying to get to this theocracy, the torturing and whatnot is more likely to stop.

And what also bothers me, is that this whole thing has been abused every where, to picture China like these barbaric monsters. If they have really done what they have been reporting, then why try to deceive the masses with doctored pictures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-159779" rel="nofollow">Paul_Is_Drunk</a>:<br />
So when I write &#8216;meh&#8217; that means to you &#8216;I&#8217;m ok with China killing people&#8217;?<br />
Look, I know what China is doing is wrong, but I don&#8217;t think that theocracy will make anything better.<br />
What do you mean by &#8216;win&#8217;? Haven&#8217;t we talked about enough things for you to know that I&#8217;m not trying to &#8216;win&#8217; anything? Gee. </p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve seen Tibet hasn&#8217;t been that peaceful. And I believe if they would stop trying to get to this theocracy, the torturing and whatnot is more likely to stop.</p>
<p>And what also bothers me, is that this whole thing has been abused every where, to picture China like these barbaric monsters. If they have really done what they have been reporting, then why try to deceive the masses with doctored pictures?</p>
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		<title>By: Twee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really bugs me when the idea of being against torture or inprisonment without due course of law is conflated with socialism or &quot;being a hippie&quot;. The fact that it happens bugs me even more.
 On another note, I had thought that McCain had buckled somewhat on the torture issue, at least so far as to agree with Bush that waterboarding is not torture. Was I incorrect about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really bugs me when the idea of being against torture or inprisonment without due course of law is conflated with socialism or &#8220;being a hippie&#8221;. The fact that it happens bugs me even more.<br />
 On another note, I had thought that McCain had buckled somewhat on the torture issue, at least so far as to agree with Bush that waterboarding is not torture. Was I incorrect about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Recondomoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recondomoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gayo finally is introduced to Magnus.  Nothing like a swirly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gayo finally is introduced to Magnus.  Nothing like a swirly.</p>
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		<title>By: Karatesaurus Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karatesaurus Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the Dalai Lama, he may or may not be a reincarnation, that&#039;s not for us to decide.  What he is though is an incredible man with nothing but love for humanity.  

Got the honor of meeting him in person when I worked at Shoreline Amphiteatre.  Not sitting down for beers and talkin about women, but I got to smile and say hi and was within about 5 feet of him, close enough to pat him on the shoulder if I was less respectful and definately close enough to be somewhat changed by the experience.  I don&#039;t know what it is, but there&#039;s something about the man, impossible to explain or pinpoint, but it was relaxing just having him pass by and without saying a word he oozed the calm suredness and charisma of a man that I was happy to listen to.

Every one of us that worked that show left it a little changed.  I was a farmboy raised to be a raving sceptic by Republican, religious farmers.  The Dalai Lama kinda made me open my eyes a bit.  I&#039;m not out visiting psychics now or anything of the sort, but he actually gave me a little faith in humanity listening to his words.  If Tibet wants him as their leader in a theocracy, then so be it, I can&#039;t think of a better man to lead a country into a golden age as long as the rest of the world was willing to sit back and leave them in peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the Dalai Lama, he may or may not be a reincarnation, that&#8217;s not for us to decide.  What he is though is an incredible man with nothing but love for humanity.  </p>
<p>Got the honor of meeting him in person when I worked at Shoreline Amphiteatre.  Not sitting down for beers and talkin about women, but I got to smile and say hi and was within about 5 feet of him, close enough to pat him on the shoulder if I was less respectful and definately close enough to be somewhat changed by the experience.  I don&#8217;t know what it is, but there&#8217;s something about the man, impossible to explain or pinpoint, but it was relaxing just having him pass by and without saying a word he oozed the calm suredness and charisma of a man that I was happy to listen to.</p>
<p>Every one of us that worked that show left it a little changed.  I was a farmboy raised to be a raving sceptic by Republican, religious farmers.  The Dalai Lama kinda made me open my eyes a bit.  I&#8217;m not out visiting psychics now or anything of the sort, but he actually gave me a little faith in humanity listening to his words.  If Tibet wants him as their leader in a theocracy, then so be it, I can&#8217;t think of a better man to lead a country into a golden age as long as the rest of the world was willing to sit back and leave them in peace.</p>
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		<title>By: natedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>natedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WE NEED MOAR OF THIS

SOMETHING MUST STOP THE RED MENACE BEFORE IT REACHES OUR SHORES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WE NEED MOAR OF THIS</p>
<p>SOMETHING MUST STOP THE RED MENACE BEFORE IT REACHES OUR SHORES</p>
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